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Re: Mario Hezonja 

Post#261 » by gom » Fri May 1, 2015 2:25 am

Dupas wrote:If theres a superstar " in the making " on this draft his mario hezonja. And i think hes ready to contribute right away. Barça coach is a dummy and spanish clubs do this all the time. They try to hide their young stars so they dont go to the NBA. I would i love for the heat to draft him..


Barcelona just got knocked out of the quarter finals in Madrid - not the Spanish League, but the European cup (Final Four) - by Olympiakos. Do you honestly believe that the reason they don't play Hezonja is to keep him in Spain? He played 40 minutes and made 10 points over the last 3 games when his team *badly* needed a scorer.

Hezonja is a great prospect. He is not good enough yet to be a starter on Barcelona. There is no shame in riding the bench on one of the best teams in Europe when you are 20 years old.
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Re: Mario Hezonja 

Post#262 » by Mustinjo » Fri May 1, 2015 7:53 am

gom wrote:
Dupas wrote:If theres a superstar " in the making " on this draft his mario hezonja. And i think hes ready to contribute right away. Barça coach is a dummy and spanish clubs do this all the time. They try to hide their young stars so they dont go to the NBA. I would i love for the heat to draft him..


Barcelona just got knocked out of the quarter finals in Madrid - not the Spanish League, but the European cup (Final Four) - by Olympiakos. Do you honestly believe that the reason they don't play Hezonja is to keep him in Spain? He played 40 minutes and made 10 points over the last 3 games when his team *badly* needed a scorer.

Hezonja is a great prospect. He is not good enough yet to be a starter on Barcelona. There is no shame in riding the bench on one of the best teams in Europe when you are 20 years old.


Usually I would agree with you or anybody else saying something like that, but it this case I don't think it's that simple. Their guards played an awful series against Olympiacos (just check their shooting percentages) and not giving Hezonja more minutes was a mistake by Xavi Pascual. And yes, some of it (not all) was motivated by knowing that one good game by him could be enough to solidify his status as top 7-8 pick and/or knowing he's already made a decision to leave and sending him a message that way. Real Madrid is better than Olympiacos and they gave him good minutes twice against them and he delivered, so argument that he wasn't good enough to get more playing time in that quarterfinals is simply not true.
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Post#263 » by UcanUwill » Fri May 1, 2015 9:27 am

I would agree not playing Hezonja was a mistake in that series, but he wasn't playing because Barca wanted to ''hide'' him. It was your typical Euro coach not trusting a young guy in season's most important series.
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Re: Mario Hezonja 

Post#264 » by pohani komarac » Fri May 1, 2015 9:37 am

Croatian fans are being paranoic about their prospects as usuall, finding iner enemy

Anway, whole Barcelona system for wingss are only Navarro friendly. All plays are designed to Navarro abilitys and evrey wing is lost under Pasqual, not playing close to his previus performaces as Barcelona one of the most strict systems in europe and much more big man friendly. Their execution of space is best in europe. Great for them, but not good for prospects such as Rubio, Hezonja, Abrines...
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Post#265 » by Johnlac1 » Fri May 1, 2015 10:33 am

I suspect very early on Hezonja will get a very good/excellent chance to prove his worth for whatever NBA team picks him. I'm not aware of any good team with a low draft pick, so he'll probably go to some bad team that needs what he promises to deliver.
It will be unlike Mirotic who sat on the bench quite a bit the first half of the season for the Bulls but came on in the second half to almost win rookie of the year honors.
I'm not a Bulls fan, but Mirotic looks like he can be a star in the NBA.
With his worth advertised as being mostly of the off. variety and in an area (three point shooting) much valued by NBA teams, Hezonja should get a lot of minutes (unless he's a real bad defender) and have a good shot at ROY.
That's the catch. If he can't guard anybody, he'll do a lot of sitting...even if he can put the ball in the basket.
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Re: Mario Hezonja 

Post#266 » by Gordon » Fri May 1, 2015 10:40 am

Hezonja has been been meh for the past two months. I know it is difficult to show much in limited minutes and role, but his numbers are down across the board compared to January and February.

In the past 10 ACB games 15,6 minutes 3,2 ppg 36%FG 20%3FG 1,8 rpg 1,2 apg 1,4 tpg.

Over that period in 156 minutes with Hezonja on the floor Barca outscored opponents by 20 points.
In 244 minutes he was on the bench they posted +88. So he definitely is not making positive impact on their floor game.

Pascual is giving him minutes, he is just not making good use of them at the moment.
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Re: Mario Hezonja 

Post#267 » by Dupas » Fri May 1, 2015 9:18 pm

Pascual doesnt give him minutes because he doesnt want hezonja to leave for the nba. European clubs to this all the time ( im from europe so i should know it ) they did the same with rubio for example.
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Post#268 » by lakers fan_cro » Fri May 1, 2015 10:11 pm

Gordon wrote:Hezonja has been been meh for the past two months. I know it is difficult to show much in limited minutes and role, but his numbers are down across the board compared to January and February.

In the past 10 ACB games 15,6 minutes 3,2 ppg 36%FG 20%3FG 1,8 rpg 1,2 apg 1,4 tpg.

Over that period in 156 minutes with Hezonja on the floor Barca outscored opponents by 20 points.
In 244 minutes he was on the bench they posted +88. So he definitely is not making positive impact on their floor game.

Pascual is giving him minutes, he is just not making good use of them at the moment.


did you watch any barcelona match this season ?
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Post#269 » by Johnlac1 » Sat May 2, 2015 1:36 am

Gordon wrote:Hezonja has been been meh for the past two months. I know it is difficult to show much in limited minutes and role, but his numbers are down across the board compared to January and February.

In the past 10 ACB games 15,6 minutes 3,2 ppg 36%FG 20%3FG 1,8 rpg 1,2 apg 1,4 tpg.

Over that period in 156 minutes with Hezonja on the floor Barca outscored opponents by 20 points.
In 244 minutes he was on the bench they posted +88. So he definitely is not making positive impact on their floor game.

Pascual is giving him minutes, he is just not making good use of them at the moment.

I just watched the Copa Del Rey game from a few months ago. I don't know why Barcelona has Hezonja on the team if they don't want to use him. It's patently obvious that Hezonja has tremendous talent. When you have a player with that kind of athleticism and shooting skills, you try to get him shots. To underuse him like his coach did in that game is nothing short of an offense that should get the coach fired if I were GM. I guess Barcelona has their own reasons.
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Re: Mario Hezonja 

Post#270 » by Gordon » Sat May 2, 2015 5:53 am

Yeah, he played well in Copa del Rey games and was quiet good in Euroleague prior to that. However, he has been playing like crap for the past month of so. Not sure why he has fallen of a cliff like that. If he doesn`t pick it up soon, i doubt he will be part of rotation in the spanish playoffs.
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Post#271 » by Johnlac1 » Sat May 2, 2015 12:22 pm

Gordon wrote:Yeah, he played well in Copa del Rey games and was quiet good in Euroleague prior to that. However, he has been playing like crap for the past month of so. Not sure why he has fallen of a cliff like that. If he doesn`t pick it up soon, i doubt he will be part of rotation in the spanish playoffs.

I haven't watched Hezonja is many games, but obviously the talent is there. I think many NBA teams are well aware of how he's being used and disregarding his spotty play.
They know that many times what a player does in euro-league play with it's highly structured offenses might not reflect the ability of some players who would flourish in a different/less structured i.e. NBA environment. Hezonja is one of those players.
The same things were said about Rubio his last year(s) in Europe. Potential is what the NBA scouts are looking at. They've seen enough of Hezonja to project how he can help their teams.
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Re: Mario Hezonja 

Post#272 » by gom » Sun May 3, 2015 1:43 am

From the games that I have seen, the one to sign (& who won't be drafted - he needs to be signed as a free agent) is Marcelinho Huertas, their PG, who is brasileiro and finds the best player at the right time. We should get this guy to be Dragic's backup.
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Post#273 » by bbms » Mon May 4, 2015 12:56 pm

gom wrote:From the games that I have seen, the one to sign (& who won't be drafted - he needs to be signed as a free agent) is Marcelinho Huertas, their PG, who is brasileiro and finds the best player at the right time. We should get this guy to be Dragic's backup.


He's already drafted by SAS. Already expressed his unwillingness to play the NBA.


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Re: Mario Hezonja 

Post#274 » by gom » Mon May 4, 2015 8:18 pm

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Re: Mario Hezonja 

Post#275 » by gom » Mon May 4, 2015 8:18 pm

bbms wrote:
gom wrote:From the games that I have seen, the one to sign (& who won't be drafted - he needs to be signed as a free agent) is Marcelinho Huertas, their PG, who is brasileiro and finds the best player at the right time. We should get this guy to be Dragic's backup.


He's already drafted by SAS. Already expressed his unwillingness to play the NBA.



He was not drafted by the Spurs. He entered the draft in 2004 and withdrew and then in 2005 went undrafted.

http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Mar ... mmary/2707

He recently expressed interest in joining the NBA:

http://atarde.uol.com.br/esportes/notic ... ntar-a-nba

He will not be drafted. He will try to get on as a free agent. He's 31 years old.
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Post#276 » by UcanUwill » Mon May 4, 2015 9:13 pm

Huertas is upcoming free agent. Last week's reports said he desperately wants to sign with NBA team as soon as possible, but the newest reports claims he wants to stay with Barcelona. So who the hell knows...
Anyway, hes been pretty crappy this season, I am not sure Barcelona even wants him anymore.
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Re: Mario Hezonja 

Post#277 » by Mustinjo » Tue May 5, 2015 12:58 am

Huertas is basically Brazilian Prigioni.
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Post#278 » by MrTwister » Tue May 5, 2015 1:17 pm

Mustinjo wrote:Huertas is basically Brazilian Prigioni.

Worse defense though :D
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Re: Mario Hezonja 

Post#279 » by Mirotic12 » Tue May 5, 2015 10:35 pm

gom wrote:
Dupas wrote:If theres a superstar " in the making " on this draft his mario hezonja. And i think hes ready to contribute right away. Barça coach is a dummy and spanish clubs do this all the time. They try to hide their young stars so they dont go to the NBA. I would i love for the heat to draft him..


Barcelona just got knocked out of the quarter finals in Madrid - not the Spanish League, but the European cup (Final Four) - by Olympiakos. Do you honestly believe that the reason they don't play Hezonja is to keep him in Spain? He played 40 minutes and made 10 points over the last 3 games when his team *badly* needed a scorer.

Hezonja is a great prospect. He is not good enough yet to be a starter on Barcelona. There is no shame in riding the bench on one of the best teams in Europe when you are 20 years old.


Exactly. I don't know why that is so hard for some people to accept. Just being a rotation player at any given moment in one of the 5-6 major Euroleague clubs at the age of 20 is very difficult to do and very, very few players in NCAA at any given time could ever do that. But some people here take that as some sort of diss by the coach or as some sort of hate by posters to simply state the obvious, if you get benched at critical times because you are 20 and are not ready for absolute top moments at 20 like a playoff series with teams like Olympiacos. This is such strange way of thinking, considering none of the players in the draft would have been ready for that either.

Every single player in this draft would not have been good enough for that level of competition. It's like there is disconnect from where NCAA prospects are and where elite Euroleague teams are. Maybe too many people watch Coach Nick videos or something.

UcanUwill wrote:I would agree not playing Hezonja was a mistake in that series, but he wasn't playing because Barca wanted to ''hide'' him. It was your typical Euro coach not trusting a young guy in season's most important series.


The reason he was not playing when it mattered is because his team defense is bad, he has poor decision making and shot selection, and he turns the ball over about 1 out of 4 times he touches it. It would have been a guaranteed loss against a team like Olympiacos and the last 2 games would not have been so close if the coach played him a lot.

With that being said, Barca got doomed when Oleson tweaked his ankle, as he is a tremendous defender on the perimeter and Spanoulis was just wrecking their defense. Oleson couldn't stop him at all.

Not playing Hezonja had nothing to do with why they lost that series. And not playing Hezonja had nothing to do with the coach not trusting him either. He was just playing bad and was not ready. Pascual gave him plenty of chances in the first two games actually.

But once Olympiacos won the second game and Oleson got hurt, there was no room for experimenting with a player like Hezonja. And that is the honest truth.

gom wrote:From the games that I have seen, the one to sign (& who won't be drafted - he needs to be signed as a free agent) is Marcelinho Huertas, their PG, who is brasileiro and finds the best player at the right time. We should get this guy to be Dragic's backup.


Huertas is very popular with NBA people because he has played very well against Team USA in some games. That is probably why he wants to come to NBA. Probably has some good contracts offered to him. But as someone who has followed Euroleague and ACB for years and also seen him play many games with Brazil's national team, let me say that you do not want him. You want nothing to do with him. And trust me on that.

He is certainly a skilled and talented offensive player without any doubt, and he is nothing at all like Prigioni by the way, absolutely nothing at all like Prigioni.

But he is by far the worst guard defender I have seen in Euroleague and his level of choking in so many games is so big that it would be impossible to even try to remember it all. And weird thing about that is that he has a knack for hitting buzzer beaters, and despite that is such a choker I could not even attempt to remember it all. He is simply worst defender I have ever seen at guard position in Euroleague, a huge choker, and I will go one further on that, he lacks a real outside shot, which is a huge killer in today's game for any PG.

Which again, might seem strange, because he easily has long distance range and he will hit a lot of 3 pointers, make some big shots, etc. I am sure even if you look at clips it will be loaded with 3 point bomb after 3 point bomb, or even that his percentages might look decent. But the problem is that in actuality, he does not have a real 3 point shot. Everything he gets is on broken plays or screens, and he is crazy streaky, and he has a broken shot. He is one of those guys that can easily be left wide open the whole game by the defense, and go 1-8 from the 3, and then on top of it, keep shooting and keep missing.

And he makes a lot of bone headed plays, despite the fact that you would think he should be a smart PG. I am sure he has some big rep in US and NBA as this great Euroleague PG, but I would not sign him if I was a NBA GM. He could definitely score some points and make some assists in NBA, I am absolutely sure about that, and I also guarantee he will give up more points than that on defense in most games he plays in. But, he will also hit some big shots from time to time.

It's kind of sad really that NBA is signing guys like Hertas or Prigioni, when there are many points guards in Europe that are way better than them.
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Re: Mario Hezonja 

Post#280 » by gom » Tue May 5, 2015 11:40 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:Huertas is very popular with NBA people because he has played very well against Team USA in some games. That is probably why he wants to come to NBA. Probably has some good contracts offered to him. But as someone who has followed Euroleague and ACB for years and also seen him play many games with Brazil's national team, let me say that you do not want him. You want nothing to do with him. And trust me on that.


I agree that he is not good enough to be your starting PG, but coming off the bench?

Mirotic12 wrote:and he is crazy streaky


TRUTH, unfortunately.

Mirotic12 wrote:It's kind of sad really that NBA is signing guys like Hertas or Prigioni, when there are many points guards in Europe that are way better than them.


Agreed. Are you a fan of Federico Mussini, the 19 year old Italian? He is only 6'1" but he is a good ball handler and plays basketball like Michel Platini played football - a knowledge of everyone's position and a great passer.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Fed ... ini-62863/

You sound very knowledgable about the Euro game. What is your opinion of these players (all of whom I like and believe have potential to be good enough to come off the bench - at least )

Cedi Osman (almost 20 years old - Turkey - plays for Efes Istanbul) SF/SG

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Cedi-Osman-7133/
(^ Always wonder why do they call him a point guard in this report? He passes well but he looks like a forward wing player attacking the paint. He does shoot well of course and passes well enough. Also he is 6'8".)

Aleksandar Vezenkov (20 years old - Bulgaria - plays in Greece) SF/PF

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ale ... nkov-6429/
His father played for Bulgaria. I think he could be a good SF (probably not a PF).

Guillermo Hernangomez (20 years old - Spain - plays in Sevilla) C

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Gui ... omez-7204/
Played for Real Madrid in limited minutes.

Timothe Luwawu (almost 20 years old (birthday is Saturday) - France - plays in French B League) SG

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Tim ... awu-68219/


Zhou Qi (19 years old - China) C (who may end up having a 7'5" wingspan and 9'4" standing reach but weighs only 209)
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Zhou-Qi-61857/
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