OT: NFL Draft

[moocow007]

I thought the Jets had a GREAT first two rounds, a good 3rd and 4th then meh til the end.

Williams was an absolute robbery. How did that happen? I don't care if he plays a redundant position... when he's drawing comparisons to Reggie White and Richard Seymour, you take him. I also loved the Devin Smith pick. That's the guy i wanted in the 2nd if we didn't land Cooper. He's a perfect fit for our current crop of receivers. Very excited to see the dynamic between him and our two workhorses.

The only 2 possible reasons is: a) there is more to Williams shoulder than anyone is openly admitting, b) the Redskins rookie GM basically showed why you never got need over BPA.

But yeah, it was a head scratcher. In favor of rookie GM mistake is what a lot of folks are now saying (criticizing) about the Redskins pick (Scherff over Williams), that their need was at tackle but that Sherff really isn't a tackle.

I would have been interested in seeing what someone with as much as respect and leadership as Brandon Marshall has would have done with DGB, but, yes, Devin Smith was a best "fit" pick at WR...although you could theoretically argue that DGB is a deep threat as well.

I really did not like trading down. We needed speed out of the backfield coming out of this draft and we passed on Duke Johnson just to pick up a 5th where we took an OL who has serious work ethic and character issues. I was a fan of the Petty pick and after hearing Macc and Bowles talk about it, I'm even happier. We are going to develop the guy the right way... FINALLY. He's got everything you want in an NFL quarterback, it's gonna be on the coaching staff from here on out.

I also don't get trading for Stacy. Great value trade but he's basically Ivory and Ridley but not as good. Weird move.

I'm excited. I hate doing that as a Jets fan, but I can't help it.

Zac Stacy had a pretty productive rookie season for the Rams in 2013. He managed almost 1,000 yards rushing (by comparison Chris Ivory's best season is 833 yards and Bilal Powell's single season best is just 697 yards). Stacy didn't do as well last season but for a 7th round pick? It was worth it to see if he can get back to his rookie season output. The Jets running game is pretty anemic still. Ivory was pretty much the only guy that could do anything consistently last season and as I pointed out Stacy has had a better season as a rookie than either Ivory or Powell has at any point in their much longer careers. The chances the Jets would be able to find a similar production RB in the 7th is pretty slim. And Stacy also is under contract for 2 more years at a very cap friendly number (Ivory and Powell both are heading into their final seasons under contract). So even with Ridley (who has some knee concerns apparently) adding Stacy isn't a bad idea. If Stacy can get back on track what the Jets now have is potentially 2 1000 yard rushers in Ridley and Stacy instead of just one (again Chris Ivory has never come close to rushing for 1000 yards in a season).

[Deeeez Knicks]

But Moo BPA doesn't always mean best "talent" available. They guys go through interviews and meetings and tests and workouts.

You can't just sit and look at the so called "experts" big board like McShay, Kiper, and Mayock because those guys are in the meetings they are just looking at the combine and film on these guys.

100% they were the most talented on the board, but you have to ask your self if that player with be able to play up to his talent on our team. Especially in New York for the Giants and Jets they may to be even more cautious with picking guys with "off the field" issues because of the environment here.

While dorial green-beckham had the most physical talent...there is a reason he slipped. Teams passed on him because a lot of times uber talented players don't succeed because they are either not smart on and off the field and not willing to do whatever it takes to reach that potential. Can't blame the jets on not picking those guys.

BPA is subjective...because theoretically BPA for one team isn't BPA for another. Of course you want to take BPA but what some people don't get is that "need" is involved in BPA. They needed a burner so they probably rated fast WR higher than bigger slower ones because they already had those.

How do you like the rest of the Giants draft?

[mpharris36]

But Moo BPA doesn't always mean best "talent" available. They guys go through interviews and meetings and tests and workouts.

You can't just sit and look at the so called "experts" big board like McShay, Kiper, and Mayock because those guys are in the meetings they are just looking at the combine and film on these guys.

100% they were the most talented on the board, but you have to ask your self if that player with be able to play up to his talent on our team. Especially in New York for the Giants and Jets they may to be even more cautious with picking guys with "off the field" issues because of the environment here.

While dorial green-beckham had the most physical talent...there is a reason he slipped. Teams passed on him because a lot of times uber talented players don't succeed because they are either not smart on and off the field and not willing to do whatever it takes to reach that potential. Can't blame the jets on not picking those guys.

BPA is subjective...because theoretically BPA for one team isn't BPA for another. Of course you want to take BPA but what some people don't get is that "need" is involved in BPA. They needed a burner so they probably rated fast WR higher than bigger slower ones because they already had those.

How do you like the rest of the Giants draft?

Can't complain about the first 3 picks. Not only where they BPA available in my eyes they all fit needs which was perfect. Hated giving up the 4th rounder but Collins wasn't going to make it to 40. So the giants did what they needed to do to get there starting safety.

Didn't like the 5th and 6th round picks. I guess he was looking at special teams with these picks. Especially with Mykkele Thompson, even he admitted he didn't think he was going to be drafted. That confuses me. Reese really wasted his late round selections. Not that they have a high probability to be long time pros but he usually throws these picks away.

I mean whens the last 5th+ rounder has made a large impact on the giants. Maybe Jacquian Williams back in 2011. Maybe Berhe and Kennard can impress from last year.

But I really think we nailed it with the first 3 picks which is obviously the most important.

[moocow007]

But Moo BPA doesn't always mean best "talent" available. They guys go through interviews and meetings and tests and workouts.

You can't just sit and look at the so called "experts" big board like McShay, Kiper, and Mayock because those guys are in the meetings they are just looking at the combine and film on these guys.

100% they were the most talented on the board, but you have to ask your self if that player with be able to play up to his talent on our team. Especially in New York for the Giants and Jets they may to be even more cautious with picking guys with "off the field" issues because of the environment here.

While dorial green-beckham had the most physical talent...there is a reason he slipped. Teams passed on him because a lot of times uber talented players don't succeed because they are either not smart on and off the field and not willing to do whatever it takes to reach that potential. Can't blame the jets on not picking those guys.

BPA is subjective...because theoretically BPA for one team isn't BPA for another. Of course you want to take BPA but what some people don't get is that "need" is involved in BPA. They needed a burner so they probably rated fast WR higher than bigger slower ones because they already had those.

I'm not disagreeing with you but I think folks are making Mac's "always BPA" mantra a little too far. He did the smart move and picked based on fit. IMO you can neither always go BPA nor always go fit. You have to be flexible and shift between BPA and fit as needed. The only clear BPA pick was Leonard Williams.

And DGB slipped only 3 more spots which indicates that even with the baggage, where Smith was picked was where DGB baggaged included was valued at. And again, I'm not blaming them for anything. I'm only pointing out that they didn't go BPA. And gain yes BPA is a matter of opinion and everyone has one, but then if you use that argument there is not BPA cause all I need to do is to find one guy with an opinion that doesn't like a person and that person is no longer BPA. The general notion of BPA is who the consensus BPA is. For that you have to use the guys who's job is to determine BPA and rank players (everyone of the guys you mentioned).

I liked the Mauldin pick quite a bit. I think he'll be a real nice player for them and make their defense even more nasty. Now with both Revis and Cromartie back (and with Skrine also added) Calvin Pryor should able to do much less coverage and more attacking the run and line of scrimmage which, along with a fiery attacker type like Mauldin should make the Jets one heck of a sack machine team. Mauldin, also another high intensity, high character guy like Devin Smith.

[Deeeez Knicks]

But Moo BPA doesn't always mean best "talent" available. They guys go through interviews and meetings and tests and workouts.

You can't just sit and look at the so called "experts" big board like McShay, Kiper, and Mayock because those guys are in the meetings they are just looking at the combine and film on these guys.

100% they were the most talented on the board, but you have to ask your self if that player with be able to play up to his talent on our team. Especially in New York for the Giants and Jets they may to be even more cautious with picking guys with "off the field" issues because of the environment here.

While dorial green-beckham had the most physical talent...there is a reason he slipped. Teams passed on him because a lot of times uber talented players don't succeed because they are either not smart on and off the field and not willing to do whatever it takes to reach that potential. Can't blame the jets on not picking those guys.

BPA is subjective...because theoretically BPA for one team isn't BPA for another. Of course you want to take BPA but what some people don't get is that "need" is involved in BPA. They needed a burner so they probably rated fast WR higher than bigger slower ones because they already had those.

How do you like the rest of the Giants draft?

Can't complain about the first 3 picks. Not only where they BPA available in my eyes they all fit needs which was perfect. Hated giving up the 4th rounder but Collins wasn't going to make it to 40. So the giants did what they needed to do to get there starting safety.

Didn't like the 5th and 6th round picks. I guess he was looking at special teams with these picks. Especially with Mykkele Thompson, even he admitted he didn't think he was going to be drafted. That confuses me. Reese really wasted his late round selections. Not that they have a high probability to be long time pros but he usually throws these picks away.

I mean whens the last 5th+ rounder has made a large impact on the giants. Maybe Jacquian Williams back in 2011. Maybe Berhe and Kennard can impress from last year.

But I really think we nailed it with the first 3 picks which is obviously the most important.

Yeah, i loved the first 3 picks too. I usually dont like trading up, but I think it was well worth it for Collins. I feel better about our defense. Thompson was a reach, but some reports sound promising at least (as always). It seems like a long time since Reese has hit on his mid/late picks. Guess we will see how it all works out.

[sasso]

But Moo BPA doesn't always mean best "talent" available. They guys go through interviews and meetings and tests and workouts.

You can't just sit and look at the so called "experts" big board like McShay, Kiper, and Mayock because those guys are in the meetings they are just looking at the combine and film on these guys.

100% they were the most talented on the board, but you have to ask your self if that player with be able to play up to his talent on our team. Especially in New York for the Giants and Jets they may to be even more cautious with picking guys with "off the field" issues because of the environment here.

While dorial green-beckham had the most physical talent...there is a reason he slipped. Teams passed on him because a lot of times uber talented players don't succeed because they are either not smart on and off the field and not willing to do whatever it takes to reach that potential. Can't blame the jets on not picking those guys.

BPA is subjective...because theoretically BPA for one team isn't BPA for another. Of course you want to take BPA but what some people don't get is that "need" is involved in BPA. They needed a burner so they probably rated fast WR higher than bigger slower ones because they already had those.

I'm not disagreeing with you but I think folks are making Mac's "always BPA" mantra a little too far. He did the smart move and picked based on fit. IMO you can neither always go BPA nor always go fit. You have to be flexible and shift between BPA and fit as needed. The only clear BPA pick was Leonard Williams.

And DGB slipped only 3 more spots which indicates that even with the baggage, where Smith was picked was where DGB baggaged included was valued at. And again, I'm not blaming them for anything. I'm only pointing out that they didn't go BPA. And gain yes BPA is a matter of opinion and everyone has one, but then if you use that argument there is not BPA cause all I need to do is to find one guy with an opinion that doesn't like a person and that person is no longer BPA. The general notion of BPA is who the consensus BPA is. For that you have to use the guys who's job is to determine BPA and rank players (everyone of the guys you mentioned).

I liked the Mauldin pick quite a bit. I think he'll be a real nice player for them and make their defense even more nasty. Now with both Revis and Cromartie back (and with Skrine also added) Calvin Pryor should able to do much less coverage and more attacking the run and line of scrimmage which, along with a fiery attacker type like Mauldin should make the Jets one heck of a sack machine team. Mauldin, also another high intensity, high character guy like Devin Smith.

I agree. Mac's moves have been great and he's balanced the BPA/Fit picks nicely without reaching too much. The Stacy trade was also well worth a 7th round pick that typically doesn't amount to anything. I think they could still use some more OL support to buy Geno more decision making time...if they want to contend, he will need all the help he can get.

[SaveUsKP6]

The only 2 possible reasons is: a) there is more to Williams shoulder than anyone is openly admitting, b) the Redskins rookie GM basically showed why you never got need over BPA.

But yeah, it was a head scratcher. In favor of rookie GM mistake is what a lot of folks are now saying (criticizing) about the Redskins pick (Scherff over Williams), that their need was at tackle but that Sherff really isn't a tackle.

I would have been interested in seeing what someone with as much as respect and leadership as Brandon Marshall has would have done with DGB, but, yes, Devin Smith was a best "fit" pick at WR...although you could theoretically argue that DGB is a deep threat as well.

Zac Stacy had a pretty productive rookie season for the Rams in 2013. He managed almost 1,000 yards rushing (by comparison Chris Ivory's best season is 833 yards and Bilal Powell's single season best is just 697 yards). Stacy didn't do as well last season but for a 7th round pick? It was worth it to see if he can get back to his rookie season output. The Jets running game is pretty anemic still. Ivory was pretty much the only guy that could do anything consistently last season and as I pointed out Stacy has had a better season as a rookie than either Ivory or Powell has at any point in their much longer careers. The chances the Jets would be able to find a similar production RB in the 7th is pretty slim. And Stacy also is under contract for 2 more years at a very cap friendly number (Ivory and Powell both are heading into their final seasons under contract). So even with Ridley (who has some knee concerns apparently) adding Stacy isn't a bad idea. If Stacy can get back on track what the Jets now have is potentially 2 1000 yard rushers in Ridley and Stacy instead of just one (again Chris Ivory has never come close to rushing for 1000 yards in a season).

See, I wanted nothing to do with DGB because a guy like Smith was available. He's a 4 year guy with a good head on his shoulders that doesn't come along with any stigmas. Any weakness he has can be learned. I think it's a lot easier to learn a route than it is to learn how to not be an idiot. I also liked Strong, but he's a possession receiver. In two years, he would have been my pick over Smith but I really think Smith was the perfect fit, all things considered.

I don't mind Stacy. He's got talent, obviously, I just wish we drafted a guy that could break one off. We don't have anyone capable of doing that unless we hit Smith in the flat. I think Stacy's rookie numbers are a little skewed... more than half of his yards and TDs came over the course of 4 games where he averaged 28 carries per game. The rest of his games were mediocre at best. Again though, it's a 7th... hard to complain.

[Blue Ninja]

Idzik was absolutely BRUTAL. And that's doing a disservice to the word brutal.

He flubbed in the draft (he has no experience in player personnel or scouting and it showed by the absolute brutal picks he made...and he was handed a whopping 12 picks in 2015 to try to get something useful). He flubbed in signing free agents (he also had no experience working with agents and player signings and apparently felt that low balling free agents with a "take it or leave it" approach was the way to sign the top tier free agents).

Bottom line is he had absolutely no experience in evaluating talent nor dealing with player agents. He was a pure cap guy which he did manage to get the Jets under. But all the cap space in the world doesn't mean diddly if you can't do anything with it.

It's not that I don't agree that he sucked, but I just feel like draft side of it, wasn't exactly his fault. There's a whole staff that makes up the big board. A gm with no draft experience will trust his staff. He also only had one bad draft. The other was at least decent, probably good.

Judging by how **** tbe bills drafted Rex could have and was part of the issue

As for development we had none I don't recall any 2nd or 3rd day draft picks ever developing into anything maybe besides Demario Davis

I think people didn't like the richardson pick because like you said he was dline and I don't think a lot of people knew who he was

I remember when we picked him I was like wtf then I instantly went and watch some of his tape and knew he was going to be a beast

When it's all said and done we have maybe the best defense in the nfl especially if Mauldin can contribute anything this year at least rushing the passer

We got a burner who compliments marshall and decker perfectly and who is a better all around wr then given credit for

A qb who has the tools to become good but is still a project and we all know geno sucks so we gotta draft qb every year until we hit on one

I'm sure Rex was part of the problem also. Development is a big part of this. And yes, with Richardson, he was an obvious beast and probably BPA but people freaked because of the position. Which is opposite of right now.

Not big on Mauldin, but the defense does look very very imposing with the addition of DBs to that front 7. If Geno is decent, that will be a playoff team, but give credit to Idzick for getting a lot of pieces, getting all that cap and making it 100x a more desirable position as a GM than when he got the job.

[moocow007]

The only 2 possible reasons is: a) there is more to Williams shoulder than anyone is openly admitting, b) the Redskins rookie GM basically showed why you never got need over BPA.

But yeah, it was a head scratcher. In favor of rookie GM mistake is what a lot of folks are now saying (criticizing) about the Redskins pick (Scherff over Williams), that their need was at tackle but that Sherff really isn't a tackle.

I would have been interested in seeing what someone with as much as respect and leadership as Brandon Marshall has would have done with DGB, but, yes, Devin Smith was a best "fit" pick at WR...although you could theoretically argue that DGB is a deep threat as well.

Zac Stacy had a pretty productive rookie season for the Rams in 2013. He managed almost 1,000 yards rushing (by comparison Chris Ivory's best season is 833 yards and Bilal Powell's single season best is just 697 yards). Stacy didn't do as well last season but for a 7th round pick? It was worth it to see if he can get back to his rookie season output. The Jets running game is pretty anemic still. Ivory was pretty much the only guy that could do anything consistently last season and as I pointed out Stacy has had a better season as a rookie than either Ivory or Powell has at any point in their much longer careers. The chances the Jets would be able to find a similar production RB in the 7th is pretty slim. And Stacy also is under contract for 2 more years at a very cap friendly number (Ivory and Powell both are heading into their final seasons under contract). So even with Ridley (who has some knee concerns apparently) adding Stacy isn't a bad idea. If Stacy can get back on track what the Jets now have is potentially 2 1000 yard rushers in Ridley and Stacy instead of just one (again Chris Ivory has never come close to rushing for 1000 yards in a season).

See, I wanted nothing to do with DGB because a guy like Smith was available. He's a 4 year guy with a good head on his shoulders that doesn't come along with any stigmas. Any weakness he has can be learned. I think it's a lot easier to learn a route than it is to learn how to not be an idiot. I also liked Strong, but he's a possession receiver. In two years, he would have been my pick over Smith but I really think Smith was the perfect fit, all things considered.

Yeah there really is a big risk taking a guy like DGB. But if there wasn't he'd have been a top 5 or so pick. That's really the trade off. Same thing with Randy Moss. A lot of teams didn't want to touch him even though Moss was clearly the most talented WR (and a top 5 talent) in the 1998 NFL draft. Why? Because Moss was viewed as a cancerous player (someone that you did not want on your team cause of the risk to chemistry and team cohesion) that couldn't stay out of trouble with the law (Moss was arrested multiple times as a prep that caused him to bounce around schools like hotcakes). We can say that Moss and a guy like DGB aren't the same but how much of that is hindsight re-interpreting things?

I remember A LOT of people that wanted nothing to do with Moss no matter how talented and how scary (good way) he was on the field. And the general thought was that if the Vikings didn't take Moss at no.21 he'd have free fallen.

Now like I said in the previous reply to mp, I'm not against the Smith pick. He's the safer pick and he fits what the Jets need at WR while DGB is a big risk and really doesn't fit as well (though you can argue that any team with any WR's already on the team could use a 6'5" 230lb potential game breaking receiver). But it's hard to pass on a totally healthy top 5 talent in the 2nd round even if the baggage is significant. But again, culture is important and I'm not sure that the Jets wanted that sort of potential disruptive presence. Leonard Williams, Devin Smith and Lorenzo Mauldin all have that same intense whatever it takes attitude which you really like to see.

I don't mind Stacy. He's got talent, obviously, I just wish we drafted a guy that could break one off. We don't have anyone capable of doing that unless we hit Smith in the flat. I think Stacy's rookie numbers are a little skewed... more than half of his yards and TDs came over the course of 4 games where he averaged 28 carries per game. The rest of his games were mediocre at best. Again though, it's a 7th... hard to complain.

I read somewhere that the Jets had planned to possibly try to trade up for one of the top RB's if they had fallen a bit further but when both Gurley and Gordon went in the top 15 that pretty much nixed that. None of the other RB's apparently excited them enough. I mean they passed on Tevin Coleman (the 3rd highest ranked RB) when they traded down in the 3rd which tells you that they weren't enamored with him or Duke Johnson or any of the other RB's and that they didn't think any of them were more productive than what they already had (Ridley and Ivory). And I tend to agree.

That Mauldin pick was a real nice pick. I think he'll do extremely well in the Jets defense with all the big time defensive players they have. Will give Mauldin some wiggle room to work and he should excel. That team will cover some of his weaknesses too.

[EricAnderson]

The only 2 possible reasons is: a) there is more to Williams shoulder than anyone is openly admitting, b) the Redskins rookie GM basically showed why you never got need over BPA.

But yeah, it was a head scratcher. In favor of rookie GM mistake is what a lot of folks are now saying (criticizing) about the Redskins pick (Scherff over Williams), that their need was at tackle but that Sherff really isn't a tackle.

I would have been interested in seeing what someone with as much as respect and leadership as Brandon Marshall has would have done with DGB, but, yes, Devin Smith was a best "fit" pick at WR...although you could theoretically argue that DGB is a deep threat as well.

Zac Stacy had a pretty productive rookie season for the Rams in 2013. He managed almost 1,000 yards rushing (by comparison Chris Ivory's best season is 833 yards and Bilal Powell's single season best is just 697 yards). Stacy didn't do as well last season but for a 7th round pick? It was worth it to see if he can get back to his rookie season output. The Jets running game is pretty anemic still. Ivory was pretty much the only guy that could do anything consistently last season and as I pointed out Stacy has had a better season as a rookie than either Ivory or Powell has at any point in their much longer careers. The chances the Jets would be able to find a similar production RB in the 7th is pretty slim. And Stacy also is under contract for 2 more years at a very cap friendly number (Ivory and Powell both are heading into their final seasons under contract). So even with Ridley (who has some knee concerns apparently) adding Stacy isn't a bad idea. If Stacy can get back on track what the Jets now have is potentially 2 1000 yard rushers in Ridley and Stacy instead of just one (again Chris Ivory has never come close to rushing for 1000 yards in a season).

See, I wanted nothing to do with DGB because a guy like Smith was available. He's a 4 year guy with a good head on his shoulders that doesn't come along with any stigmas. Any weakness he has can be learned. I think it's a lot easier to learn a route than it is to learn how to not be an idiot. I also liked Strong, but he's a possession receiver. In two years, he would have been my pick over Smith but I really think Smith was the perfect fit, all things considered.

Yeah there really is a big risk taking a guy like DGB. But if there wasn't he'd have been a top 5 or so pick. That's really the trade off. Same thing with Randy Moss. A lot of teams didn't want to touch him even though Moss was clearly the most talented WR (and a top 5 talent) in the 1998 NFL draft. Why? Because Moss was viewed as a cancerous player (someone that you did not want on your team cause of the risk to chemistry and team cohesion) that couldn't stay out of trouble with the law (Moss was arrested multiple times as a prep that caused him to bounce around schools like hotcakes). We can say that Moss and a guy like DGB aren't the same but how much of that is hindsight re-interpreting things?

I remember A LOT of people that wanted nothing to do with Moss no matter how talented and how scary (good way) he was on the field. And the general thought was that if the Vikings didn't take Moss at no.21 he'd have free fallen.

Now like I said in the previous reply to mp, I'm not against the Smith pick. He's the safer pick and he fits what the Jets need at WR while DGB is a big risk and really doesn't fit as well (though you can argue that any team with any WR's already on the team could use a 6'5" 230lb potential game breaking receiver). But it's hard to pass on a totally healthy top 5 talent in the 2nd round even if the baggage is significant. But again, culture is important and I'm not sure that the Jets wanted that sort of potential disruptive presence. Leonard Williams, Devin Smith and Lorenzo Mauldin all have that same intense whatever it takes attitude which you really like to see.

I don't mind Stacy. He's got talent, obviously, I just wish we drafted a guy that could break one off. We don't have anyone capable of doing that unless we hit Smith in the flat. I think Stacy's rookie numbers are a little skewed... more than half of his yards and TDs came over the course of 4 games where he averaged 28 carries per game. The rest of his games were mediocre at best. Again though, it's a 7th... hard to complain.

I read somewhere that the Jets had planned to possibly try to trade up for one of the top RB's if they had fallen a bit further but when both Gurley and Gordon went in the top 15 that pretty much nixed that. None of the other RB's apparently excited them enough. I mean they passed on Tevin Coleman (the 3rd highest ranked RB) when they traded down in the 3rd which tells you that they weren't enamored with him or Duke Johnson or any of the other RB's and that they didn't think any of them were more productive than what they already had (Ridley and Ivory). And I tend to agree.

That Mauldin pick was a real nice pick. I think he'll do extremely well in the Jets defense with all the big time defensive players they have. Will give Mauldin some wiggle room to work and he should excel. That team will cover some of his weaknesses too.

Difference is Randy Moss was one of the most physically gifted wrs ever..DGB even aside from off the field issues has some serious flaws as a wr

One of the flaws is he doesn't catch the ball at its highest point ever..he negates his size

[Manhattan Project]

I was heavily on the DGB bandwagon from his freshmen year, but you knew that Mac was never going to consider him. He really seemed to put an emphasis on hardworking quality character guys. Smith for what this team needed is a great fit as he finally gives us someone who can blow off the top of the defense. Kerley can't do that and who knows what we have in last years WR crop. Not to mention he can be a special teams ace from day one, while that's not what you want from your second round pick it's not a bad thing either.

[nyjetsknicks420]

Idzik was absolutely BRUTAL. And that's doing a disservice to the word brutal.

He flubbed in the draft (he has no experience in player personnel or scouting and it showed by the absolute brutal picks he made...and he was handed a whopping 12 picks in 2015 to try to get something useful). He flubbed in signing free agents (he also had no experience working with agents and player signings and apparently felt that low balling free agents with a "take it or leave it" approach was the way to sign the top tier free agents).

Bottom line is he had absolutely no experience in evaluating talent nor dealing with player agents. He was a pure cap guy which he did manage to get the Jets under. But all the cap space in the world doesn't mean diddly if you can't do anything with it.

It's not that I don't agree that he sucked, but I just feel like draft side of it, wasn't exactly his fault. There's a whole staff that makes up the big board. A gm with no draft experience will trust his staff. He also only had one bad draft. The other was at least decent, probably good.

Judging by how **** tbe bills drafted Rex could have and was part of the issue

As for development we had none I don't recall any 2nd or 3rd day draft picks ever developing into anything maybe besides Demario Davis

I think people didn't like the richardson pick because like you said he was dline and I don't think a lot of people knew who he was

I remember when we picked him I was like wtf then I instantly went and watch some of his tape and knew he was going to be a beast

When it's all said and done we have maybe the best defense in the nfl especially if Mauldin can contribute anything this year at least rushing the passer

We got a burner who compliments marshall and decker perfectly and who is a better all around wr then given credit for

A qb who has the tools to become good but is still a project and we all know geno sucks so we gotta draft qb every year until we hit on one

I'm sure Rex was part of the problem also. Development is a big part of this. And yes, with Richardson, he was an obvious beast and probably BPA but people freaked because of the position. Which is opposite of right now.

Not big on Mauldin, but the defense does look very very imposing with the addition of DBs to that front 7. If Geno is decent, that will be a playoff team, but give credit to Idzick for getting a lot of pieces, getting all that cap and making it 100x a more desirable position as a GM than when he got the job.

I will be suprised if anyone idzik drafted besides sheldon amaro and Pryor are on the team in the next coming years

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[moocow007]

I was heavily on the DGB bandwagon from his freshmen year, but you knew that Mac was never going to consider him. He really seemed to put an emphasis on hardworking quality character guys. Smith for what this team needed is a great fit as he finally gives us someone who can blow off the top of the defense. Kerley can't do that and who knows what we have in last years WR crop. Not to mention he can be a special teams ace from day one, while that's not what you want from your second round pick it's not a bad thing either.

Yeah. Will be interesting to see what Mac does (if anything) if La'el Collins is cleared of any involvement in the murder of his ex. Reports coming out seem to indicate that the police does not believe that he had anything to do with it (air proof alibi) and will be officially cleared soon. Collins though still comes with a lot of baggage and character issues but some believe is the best OL in the draft. And the Jets need help on the OL.

[Rich Rane]

I was heavily on the DGB bandwagon from his freshmen year, but you knew that Mac was never going to consider him. He really seemed to put an emphasis on hardworking quality character guys. Smith for what this team needed is a great fit as he finally gives us someone who can blow off the top of the defense. Kerley can't do that and who knows what we have in last years WR crop. Not to mention he can be a special teams ace from day one, while that's not what you want from your second round pick it's not a bad thing either.

Yeah. Will be interesting to see what Mac does (if anything) if La'el Collins is cleared of any involvement in the murder of his ex. Reports coming out seem to indicate that the police does not believe that he had anything to do with it (air proof alibi) and will be officially cleared soon. Collins though still comes with a lot of baggage and character issues but some believe is the best OL in the draft. And the Jets need help on the OL.

Consistent protection and QB really are the Jets only weaknesses at this point. I wish we did more in the draft, but you can't really be all that angry with what the Jets did there. Maybe they could've went harder in free agency though. I really wanted Iupati here.

[Fury]

DGB didn't get picked cause he had no clue what was going on during pre draft meetings. It's one thing to have issues with behavior, it's another to have no idea wtf is going on with a playbook.

[Manhattan Project]

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It all depends on how he will be used, he's a box safety who can really help against the run. You're really going to need whoever the other safety will be to cover a TON of ground because Collins can only play in front of him. Giants were better when they were picking safeties from the U.

[Manhattan Project]

Yeah. Will be interesting to see what Mac does (if anything) if La'el Collins is cleared of any involvement in the murder of his ex. Reports coming out seem to indicate that the police does not believe that he had anything to do with it (air proof alibi) and will be officially cleared soon. Collins though still comes with a lot of baggage and character issues but some believe is the best OL in the draft. And the Jets need help on the OL.

I don't see any scenario Collins would come here. On paper it's perfect, learn from Brick for a few years and then take over. However this is someone who will be trying to recoup millions of dollars, he's going to want to start from day one. Collins like you said still comes with his fair share of baggage regardless of this incident. He's going to need someone willing to give him the UDFA max and a chance to start, that's not us.

[moocow007]

Yeah. Will be interesting to see what Mac does (if anything) if La'el Collins is cleared of any involvement in the murder of his ex. Reports coming out seem to indicate that the police does not believe that he had anything to do with it (air proof alibi) and will be officially cleared soon. Collins though still comes with a lot of baggage and character issues but some believe is the best OL in the draft. And the Jets need help on the OL.

I don't see any scenario Collins would come here. On paper it's perfect, learn from Brick for a few years and then take over. However this is someone who will be trying to recoup millions of dollars, he's going to want to start from day one. Collins like you said still comes with his fair share of baggage regardless of this incident. He's going to need someone willing to give him the UDFA max and a chance to start, that's not us.

Probably.

Although it looks like Mac may be willing to gamble (at least a little) with guys with baggage. The Jets reportedly have signed former Syracuse DT Davon Walls (yep, another defensive lineman). Walls was kicked out of the school for robbery and has been bouncing around various no name colleges since. Some believe that had he remained at Syracuse he'd have been a potential 1st round pick. Supposedly a beast of a DT at 6'5" 290lb that ran 4.8 in the 40, has a 84" wingspan and Shrek sized hands. Walls was regarded by some as the best kept secret in the 2015 NFL draft as far as a guy with serious NFL potential but that few people knew about or had on their board (since he's been basically off the radar the last couple years).

http://www.ganggreennation.com/2015/5/3/8540723/jets-sign-former-syracuse-dt-davon-walls

[beasonu]

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It all depends on how he will be used, he's a box safety who can really help against the run. You're really going to need whoever the other safety will be to cover a TON of ground because Collins can only play in front of him. Giants were better when they were picking safeties from the U.

Landon Collins himself tweeted about the funny notion he's being regarded as a box safety.

Everyone is an analyst nowadays You don't know anything, no offense. We will see how he does