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Stanley Johnson (Arizona) as a stretch-4?

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Stanley Johnson (Arizona) as a stretch-4? 

Post#1 » by blueadams » Mon May 4, 2015 4:14 am

6-8, 243lbs. 6-11.5 wing-span. Super athlete. Physically/athletically--basically not unsimilar from LeBron James. Decent enough shooter from outside. Seems like a real hard worker who will continue to improve in that (and all) regard. Tenacious defender, rebounder.

If you're looking for a stretch-4 in this draft. I think it's basically him, the Euro Porzingis, Kaminsky and maybe Dekker. And I like Johnson. Thoughts?
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Post#2 » by A_dub06 » Mon May 4, 2015 6:08 am

blueadams wrote:6-8, 243lbs. 6-11.5 wing-span. Super athlete. Physically/athletically--basically not unsimilar from LeBron James. Decent enough shooter from outside. Seems like a real hard worker who will continue to improve in that (and all) regard. Tenacious defender, rebounder.

If you're looking for a stretch-4 in this draft. I think it's basically him, the Euro Porzingis, Kaminsky and maybe Dekker. And I like Johnson. Thoughts?


Physically he's similar but athletically James is on another planet. Johnson is definitely athletic with above average hops, good speed and sneakily quick but to compare him to one of the best all-round athletes to ever play the game is a stretch.

While I'd feel comfortable playing Johnson in bouts at the 4, I'd still want him playing at least 80% of his time at the 3. I believe small forward to be a greater position of need for us


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Post#3 » by kurtis48239 » Mon May 4, 2015 7:48 am

A_dub06 wrote:
blueadams wrote:6-8, 243lbs. 6-11.5 wing-span. Super athlete. Physically/athletically--basically not unsimilar from LeBron James. Decent enough shooter from outside. Seems like a real hard worker who will continue to improve in that (and all) regard. Tenacious defender, rebounder.

If you're looking for a stretch-4 in this draft. I think it's basically him, the Euro Porzingis, Kaminsky and maybe Dekker. And I like Johnson. Thoughts?


Physically he's similar but athletically James is on another planet. Johnson is definitely athletic with above average hops, good speed and sneakily quick but to compare him to one of the best all-round athletes to ever play the game is a stretch.

While I'd feel comfortable playing Johnson in bouts at the 4, I'd still want him playing at least 80% of his time at the 3. I believe small forward to be a greater position of need for us


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What he just said,he will see most of his minutes at the 3 unless you go small ball.
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Post#4 » by pistontr » Mon May 4, 2015 8:01 am

LeBron James is not good at 4. He can play that position in limited time. and some small forwars in this leuge are 6-9
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Post#5 » by ImHeisenberg » Mon May 4, 2015 10:50 am

Did he just compare Stanley Johnson to LeBron James!?!
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Post#6 » by A_dub06 » Mon May 4, 2015 1:48 pm

ImHeisenberg wrote:Did he just compare Stanley Johnson to LeBron James!?!


Unfortunately it's begun already. All aboard the hype train!

Haven't seen it on this board but I've seen in others, people saying Hezonja is the European McGrady.


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Post#7 » by zeebneeb » Mon May 4, 2015 2:17 pm

Alot of the players, people are talking about, all sound great. Most will fit our team great. Problem, is that this team needs a scorer, plain and simple. Someone who can shoot, can score 20 a night, and keep defenses honest. If we are talking draft, I feel it has to be Mario.

Ugh. This offseason is a nightmare. We are set up perfectly, but if poor choices are made, it could turn us into a treadmill team for years. I just want our draft pick to help us, and my thinking is this, what position is easier to fill in free agency? PF, or SF? If we draft SF they will most assuredly start, and if not, be huge contributers immediately. PF, they have more time to learn.

At this point I'll defer to anyone else on this.
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Post#8 » by DBC10 » Mon May 4, 2015 2:25 pm

He's in the mold of Ron Artest. Which means he's bulky enough to maybe get physical but nothing more than maybe 10 minutes max.

I'd rather just draft Hezonja. Wouldn't be mad either way though.
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Post#9 » by roc » Mon May 4, 2015 4:37 pm

Draymond is similar in stature and plays most of his minutes at the 4 so I think it is possible. :dontknow:
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Post#10 » by Moses ShamMoses » Mon May 4, 2015 8:35 pm

zeebneeb wrote:Alot of the players, people are talking about, all sound great. Most will fit our team great. Problem, is that this team needs a scorer, plain and simple. Someone who can shoot, can score 20 a night, and keep defenses honest. If we are talking draft, I feel it has to be Mario.

Ugh. This offseason is a nightmare. We are set up perfectly, but if poor choices are made, it could turn us into a treadmill team for years. I just want our draft pick to help us, and my thinking is this, what position is easier to fill in free agency? PF, or SF? If we draft SF they will most assuredly start, and if not, be huge contributers immediately. PF, they have more time to learn.

At this point I'll defer to anyone else on this.



I just read a Keith Langlois article that states the Pistons are looking for talent, character, and compatibility/fit in the offseason. Since the SFs and PFs all fit a need it will probably come down to who SVG and staff feels is the most talented/potential and who impresses them in interviews.
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Post#11 » by ImHeisenberg » Mon May 4, 2015 11:58 pm

Unless he is a truly outstanding defender at the 4, he wouldn't be able to do it full time, just small ball spurts.
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Post#12 » by mercury » Tue May 5, 2015 1:20 am

Don't know about the stretch part but the advantage he offers is that he has the bulk to switch to PF on a rub without being mismatched.
Adding Johnson gives the team 4 of 5 positions that are plus defenders... then adding a defensive PF with even decent range completes the transition game.... I want to see a team with no weak links on D and the opportunities that come with it.
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Post#13 » by OneBadMutha » Tue May 5, 2015 2:59 am

Watch Golden State. They went from a below average devensive team to #1 in defensive efficiency by playing "small ball". Size is grossly overrated at the 4 with the way the game is played today. Having an athlete who can fight through screens and cover ground defensively is way more important. I'd love the Johnson pick. He could have a Draymond Green effect.
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Post#14 » by sc8581 » Tue May 5, 2015 3:03 am

OneBadMutha wrote:Watch Golden State. They went from a below average devensive team to #1 in defensive efficiency by playing "small ball". Size is grossly overrated at the 4 with the way the game is played today. Having an athlete who can fight through screens and cover ground defensively is way more important. I'd love the Johnson pick. He could have a Draymond Green effect.


Is Johnson as smart as Draymond defensively though? I do agree with your point though for the most part.
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Post#15 » by joedumars1 » Tue May 5, 2015 3:13 am

I think he could play the Stretch four, like onebadmutha said, that is basically what the stretch four has changed to. I would rather have him play SF with some minutes at the four.

I didn't know Draymond was only 229 pounds either, I don't think Johnson can play as good as D as him, but he would be solid at the 3 or the 4, i'd think
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Post#16 » by OneBadMutha » Tue May 5, 2015 3:22 am

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OneBadMutha wrote:Watch Golden State. They went from a below average devensive team to #1 in defensive efficiency by playing "small ball". Size is grossly overrated at the 4 with the way the game is played today. Having an athlete who can fight through screens and cover ground defensively is way more important. I'd love the Johnson pick. He could have a Draymond Green effect.


Is Johnson as smart as Draymond defensively though? I do agree with your point though for the most part.


It's a good question. Draymond does a lot of little things great. They say Johnson is a character guy. If that's true, he could be a great fit for SVG and an upgrade over Monroe in this system on both ends.
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Post#17 » by MrBigShot » Tue May 5, 2015 3:28 am

He's a perimeter wing player, not a bigman. He could play PF in small ball lineups in short stretches maybe, but I don't believe he can by any means play the 4 regularly.

Draymond Green is an anomaly and one of the most intelligent defenders in the entire league. Stanley Johnson has good physical tools and strength, but he's unproven as a defender at this level. And even if he does become a good defender, he'd be best suited for guarding opposing wing players where he can maximize his strength/size advantage, not big men where he will routinely give up a height and wingspan advantage. You don't start perimeter players at the power forward spot. And please nobody mention Lebron James...he's one of the most versatile players to ever play the game and his athleticism is in another stratosphere. Carmelo's played some PF, but it hasn't led to any success.

And I'd also like to note that nearly all of the shorter PFs in the league have longer wingspans than Johnson does. Milsap, Sullinger, Draymond. All have wingspans of 7'1 to 7'2.
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Post#18 » by OneBadMutha » Tue May 5, 2015 3:32 am

I'd be interested in someone coming up with a list of all the overpowering back to the basket 4s in this league. How many couldn't be guarded by a player with a Ron Artest body type. Then name all the stretch 4s and teams that have a really good pick and roll perimeter players. As long as your 4 is strong enough to box out and hold position (which doesn't require size but rather lower body strength), he doesn't need to be big. If he's slow, you will have problems defensively against most of the best offensive teams.
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Re: Stanley Johnson (Arizona) as a stretch-4? 

Post#19 » by joedumars1 » Tue May 5, 2015 3:46 am

Just looking at these last few teams left in the playoffs, Clips, Warriors, Cavs, Bulls, Grizz, Houston, Atlanta, Washington, I think Stanley could guard all the PF's for these teams pretty well, except Memphis probably, but not many teams have that type of PF anymore.

I'd still prefer to have Stanley play at the 3 most of the time, if he is the guy we select
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Post#20 » by sc8581 » Tue May 5, 2015 3:48 am

I think he could defend either spot, my concern is how is he going to get buckets?

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