What is your (realistic) ideal offseason?

becorz · Post #1 » by **becorz** » Mon May 4, 2015 7:24 pm

I thought it might be interesting to see what other want out of the Kings this off-season. So I figured I would start a thread about it.

My ideal off-season has the Kings looking to make the playoffs. I think this would be a fun run and gun team. I know people on the trade board didn't necessarily like this, but what do you think?

1. Trade Jason Thompson, Ray McCallum, cap space, and #6 to Denver for Ty Lawson
2. Trade Carl Landy and Nik Stauskas to Charlotte for Lance Stephenson
3. Trade Darren Collison to Houston for Terrance Jones and Papanikolaou
4. Resign Andre Miller to minimum contract
5. Resign Omri Casspi with Biannual exception
6. Sign Marcus Thornton to minimum contract
7. Resign Reggie Evans
8. Resign Ryan Hollins

Lawson/Miller/Stockton
McLemore/Thornton
Lance/Casspi/Papanikolaou
Gay/Jones/Moreland
Cousins/Evans/Hollins

SacSanity · Post #2 » by **SacSanity** » Mon May 4, 2015 7:46 pm

becorz wrote:I thought it might be interesting to see what other want out of the Kings this off-season. So I figured I would start a thread about it.

My ideal off-season has the Kings looking to make the playoffs. I think this would be a fun run and gun team. I know people on the trade board didn't necessarily like this, but what do you think?

1. Trade Jason Thompson, Ray McCallum, cap space, and #6 to Denver for Ty Lawson
2. Trade Carl Landy and Nik Stauskas to Charlotte for Lance Stephenson
3. Trade Darren Collison to Houston for Terrance Jones and Papanikolaou
4. Resign Andre Miller to minimum contract
5. Resign Omri Casspi with Biannual exception
6. Sign Marcus Thornton to minimum contract
7. Resign Reggie Evans
8. Resign Ryan Hollins

Lawson/Miller/Stockton
McLemore/Thornton
Lance/Casspi/Papanikolaou
Gay/Jones/Moreland
Cousins/Evans/Hollins

I wouldn't mind JT and Ray for Ty Lawson. No way in hell would I ever want Marcus Thorton back here. I pray that we do not resign Ryan Hollins.

Ideally, we upgrade our PF spot and solidify our bench.

blind prophet · Post #3 » by **blind prophet** » Mon May 4, 2015 9:42 pm

Sign no one to a multi year deal.

Draft well, let the young guys develop.

Kings2013 · Post #4 » by **Kings2013** » Mon May 4, 2015 10:38 pm

I love this time of the year, so much hope and possibilities. That is an interesting take for the offseason, but I personally think Collison fits with Cuz and Gay because he can play off ball, is a good defender and shooter to stretch the floor. The starting unit was solid before Collison went down and the team quit on Corbin. I have heard Lawson linked to the Kings a lot, but for those who support acquiring him with a major asset like the 6, practically how do you envision him enhancing the team? Also I think Miller is too old to be penciled in as the definitive back up next season, but we will see.

This is a good thread, and there is a lot of moving variable... Can Gay play PF full time? Will Ben be given another year?

SacKingZZZ · Post #5 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Tue May 5, 2015 4:24 am

blind prophet wrote:Sign no one to a multi year deal.

Draft well, let the young guys develop.

In relation to the first one, I don't think the Kings have the luxury of keeping a softer cap. With the league wide cap increases the Kings will be lucky to sign even a MLE level player for double that with so much competition in the market place.

SacKingZZZ · Post #6 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Tue May 5, 2015 4:36 am

1. Draft Justise Winslow at 6. I'd be just as happy with Johnson though so whoever is there.
2. Stretch and waive Carl Landry.
3. Trade JT and Ben McLemore to the Celtics for Jared Sullinger. Or Nik if draft rumors last year hold weight.
4. Sign Demarre Carroll, Omri Casspi, Andre Miller, Reggie Evans, and Henry Sims with cap space.

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PG: Collison/McCallum/Miller
SG: Carroll/Nik
SF: Winslow/Casspi
PF: Gay/Sullinger/Evans
C: Cousins/Sims

Post #7 » by **City of Trees** » Tue May 5, 2015 4:40 am

blind prophet wrote:Sign no one to a multi year deal.

I'd sign a hand full of FA to multi year deals like Millsap, Aldridge, ect.... You can alter your stance to signing no Scrubs to multi year deals.

Post #8 » by **City of Trees** » Tue May 5, 2015 4:43 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:2. Stretch and waive Carl Landry.

I agree. With the new cap around the corner every team should utilize the stretch provision to drop their dead weight. In a few years it will be pennies on the dollar.

blind prophet · Post #9 » by **blind prophet** » Tue May 5, 2015 5:17 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:
blind prophet wrote:Sign no one to a multi year deal.

Draft well, let the young guys develop.

In relation to the first one, I don't think the Kings have the luxury of keeping a softer cap. With the league wide cap increases the Kings will be lucky to sign even a MLE level player for double that with so much competition in the market place.

That sounds reasonable, we should get the drift of the new cap stuff here soon.

I always assume any changes in the league are going to hurt us somehow, so I'm prepared. :lol:

But if we make a poor choice and pick up the Thompson option for 16-17

We've got JT's and Landry's 13 million + whatever that is.....real easy to have 18-20 million wasted on not much special.

blind prophet · Post #10 » by **blind prophet** » Tue May 5, 2015 5:18 am

City of Trees wrote:
blind prophet wrote:Sign no one to a multi year deal.
I'd sign a hand full of FA to multi year deals like Millsap, Aldridge, ect.... You can alter your stance to signing no Scrubs to multi year deals.

Yeah man enough of these mid level contracts, get them Reggie Evans cheap, or wait till we can spend a ton on someone worth it.

We need 1 more caliber star.

The mid level guys etc....just keeping us down man.

Kings2013 · Post #11 » by **Kings2013** » Tue May 5, 2015 5:20 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:1. Draft Justise Winslow at 6. I'd be just as happy with Johnson though so whoever is there.
2. Stretch and waive Carl Landry.
3. Trade JT and Ben McLemore to the Celtics for Jared Sullinger. Or Nik if draft rumors last year hold weight.
4. Sign Demarre Carroll, Omri Casspi, Andre Miller, Reggie Evans, and Henry Sims with cap space.

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PG: Collison/McCallum/Miller
SG: Carroll/Nik
SF: Winslow/Casspi
PF: Gay/Sullinger/Evans
C: Cousins/Sims

Demarre is going to get paid, but interesting variation.

blind prophet · Post #12 » by **blind prophet** » Tue May 5, 2015 5:25 am

No way, no stretching Landry. We are not in contention, won't be a season from now either, bite the bullet. Maybe we will get a miracle or two after 16-17, get the nightmare over with.

Post #13 » by **KF10** » Tue May 5, 2015 5:57 am

1. Trade JT, Carl Landry, Nik Stauskas & #6 for Lance Stephenson, Marvin Williams & #9
2. Draft Stanley Johnson at 9.
3. Sign Wesley Matthews, Iman Shumpert, Omri Casspi, Andre Miller & cheap FA center with cap space.

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PG: Collison/RMac/Miller
SG: Matthews/BMac/Shumpert
SF: Stephenson/Johnson/Casspi
PF: Rudy/Williams
C: Cousins/FA center

Lance can alternate from PG-SG-SF, Sumpert can alternate from SG-SF, Rudy can alternate from PF-SF, Matthews can alternate from SG-SF, RMac can alternate from PG-SG & Stanley Johnson can alternate from SF-SG.

Thoughts?

becorz · Post #14 » by **becorz** » Tue May 5, 2015 6:01 am

KF10 wrote:1. Trade JT, Carl Landry, Nik Stauskas & #6 for Lance Stephenson, Marvin Williams & #9
2. Draft Stanley Johnson at 9.
3. Sign Wesley Matthews, Iman Shumpert, Omri Casspi, Andre Miller & cheap FA center with cap space.

I really don't see any way the Kings invest in Was Matthews. We are not going to spend big on a guy right off of surgery. And he isn't leaving Portland unless he gets paid.

blind prophet wrote:No way, no stretching Landry. We are not in contention, won't be a season from now either, bite the bullet. Maybe we will get a miracle or two after 16-17, get the nightmare over with.

I agree. Unless we desperately need cap space, Landry will not get stretched. And I don't see us being huge players in FA, so the only real scenario I see with Landry is us making a trade where we need to get rid of Landry to make the cap work but the other team refuses to take his contract.

Kings2013 wrote:This is a good thread, and there is a lot of moving variable... Can Gay play PF full time? Will Ben be given another year?

I think Rudy and the PF position is the big issue of the offseason...and I think the decision is going to come down to what's available. Since I don't think many stretch 4's are going to be out there (are we going the Pattrick Patterson route again?) I think we are more likely to find a slashing SF.

Post #15 » by **KF10** » Tue May 5, 2015 6:10 am

becorz wrote:I really don't see any way the Kings invest in Was Matthews. We are not going to spend big on a guy right off of surgery. And he isn't leaving Portland unless he gets paid.

He would be fully recovered by the time he wears the Kings jersey.

From what I've seen, Portland fans LOVES the guy. Even with his season-ending injury, they want him back. He was their heart and soul of the team. Still, with this injury, his price tag took a bit of a hit.

BMac is a nice player and all but Matthews is a considerable upgrade over him. Wes would really solidify the 2 spot.

Okay, lets assume obtaining Matthews is an impossible scenario. Who is next?

I would say we look into Kris Middleton & Danny Green.

What is your opinion?

blind prophet · Post #16 » by **blind prophet** » Tue May 5, 2015 6:16 am

I'd hold out KF10. No need to chase right now. Chase possibly when the cap goes up after next season, or a season later with the Thompson/Landry loot gone.

That's massive spending potential, keep it. We can take back stuff in trades, or maybe lure someone worthy.

We are a mistake or two away from being screwed.

Just accept it for next season unless you want to chase an expensive expiring who would take over Landry's contract somehow now because they need the money now.

Kings2013 · Post #17 » by **Kings2013** » Tue May 5, 2015 6:17 am

KF10 wrote:
becorz wrote:I really don't see any way the Kings invest in Was Matthews. We are not going to spend big on a guy right off of surgery. And he isn't leaving Portland unless he gets paid.

He would be fully recovered by the time he wears the Kings jersey.

From what I've seen, Portland fans LOVES the guy. Even with his season-ending injury, they want him back. He was their heart and soul of the team. Still, with this injury, his price tag took a bit of a hit.

BMac is a nice player and all but Matthews is a considerable upgrade over him. Wes would really solidify the 2 spot.

Okay, lets assume obtaining Matthews is an impossible scenario. Who is next?

I would say we look into Kris Middleton & Danny Green.

What is your opinion?

I think Middleton is on Matthews tier, and many believe Green will be highly sought after himself. I wish it weren't so but I'm thinking the pool will Afflalo, Henderson etc

blind prophet · Post #18 » by **blind prophet** » Tue May 5, 2015 6:26 am

Affalo is a season away from being washed up.

He's gonna want a 3 year deal. Bad news.

Henderson is he a free agent?

hmm looks like player option $6,000,000.

So he'd likely want at least 5 million if he opted out, and then may want a 2-3 year with another option.

I'd avoid that too.

blind prophet · Post #19 » by **blind prophet** » Tue May 5, 2015 6:29 am

Stephenson is a decent gamble option, team option in 16-17. He's only 25.

Post #20 » by **KF10** » Tue May 5, 2015 6:30 am

blind prophet wrote:I'd hold out KF10. No need to chase right now. Chase possibly when the cap goes up after next season, or a season later with the Thompson/Landry loot gone.

That's massive spending potential, keep it. We can take back stuff in trades, or maybe lure someone worthy.

We are a mistake or two away from being screwed.

Just accept it for next season unless you want to chase an expensive expiring who would take over Landry's contract somehow now because they need the money now.

I'm under the assumption that the pressure towards a "win-now" team is apparent. From what they are saying, they really want to be competitive as soon as possible. I have a feeling that DMC will become restless by all star break or at the end of next season if they fail at making an impression in the western conference. To keep Cousins "happy" I would like to think battling the 8th seed is the VERY LEAST they can do to appease him. If we are anywhere below that, fireworks may go off. Cousins is one loyal dude but I don't think he's stupid.