John Wall Appreciation Thread - Part III

tontoz · Post #81 » by **tontoz** » Thu May 7, 2015 2:22 am

TheSecretWeapon wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
TheSecretWeapon wrote:
By definition, a sprain IS ligament damage.

Yep, I was thinking more than a mild sprain - like grade 2 or grade 3. Something where there is tear.

My orthopedic friend tells me that they are often difficult to diagnose without keyhole surgery - probably why he is getting multiple opinions? If they were sure it was just a simple sprain - they would probably already settled in on the treatment?

Yeah -- I agree completely. If it was simple, they wouldn't be getting a third opinion. Obviously, surgery isn't an option to get him back on the floor during the playoffs. My guess is they're trying to figure out if there's a way to get him functional enough to get back on the floor. That'll be a real challenge, though, given how much he has to handle the ball. The Hawks will force him left at every opportunity. Sucks.

Yeah those injuries are hard to play with. Your hand takes so many hits when you are playing, especially for a pg. He probably wont be ok until over a month after the playoffs are over.

Definitely sucks because the Hawks look like they are very beatable.

hands11 · Post #82 » by **hands11** » Thu May 7, 2015 2:24 am

dckingsfan wrote:
TheSecretWeapon wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Yeah, that wrist looks really swollen... I wonder if there is some ligament damage.

By definition, a sprain IS ligament damage.

WebMD wrote:A sprain is a stretch or tear in a ligament (the bands of fibrous tissue that connect our bones at the joints).

Yep, I was thinking more than a mild sprain - like grade 2 or grade 3. Something where there is tear.

My orthopedic friend tells me that they are often difficult to diagnose without keyhole surgery - probably why he is getting multiple opinions? If they were sure it was just a simple sprain - they would probably already settled in on the treatment?

He has repeatedly said... its a really bad strain.

FAH1223 · Post #83 » by **FAH1223** » Thu May 7, 2015 3:38 am

Yeah... John is done. I don't think he plays rest of this season.

Dat2U · Post #84 » by **Dat2U** » Thu May 7, 2015 12:15 pm

FAH1223 wrote:Yeah... John is done. I don't think he plays rest of this season.

Dude you been killing me and this entire board with the negativity. We already have Ji for that. One Ji is more than enough.

Induveca · Post #85 » by **Induveca** » Thu May 7, 2015 2:25 pm

The fact he hasn't had an MRI is worrisome. The excuse the wrist is "too swollen" for an MRI doesn't make much sense in terms of a result. You just have to sit still for 15-20 minutes and not move. Nothing is physically touching your wrist during an MRI. And the little fact that swelling has zero impact an MRI result.

Doctors will only say to wait if the patient is in too much pain to sit completely still for 30-45 minutes in the needed position (in this case likely twisting his wrist).

Not a good sign.

FAH1223 · Post #86 » by **FAH1223** » Thu May 7, 2015 2:37 pm

Dat2U wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:Yeah... John is done. I don't think he plays rest of this season.

Dude you been killing me and this entire board with the negativity. We already have Ji for that. One Ji is more than enough.

Okay, the Wizards are playing possum and trying to throw off the Hawks with his injury. Afterall, John has already played with it once.

Higga · Post #87 » by **Higga** » Thu May 7, 2015 2:42 pm

I want to be optimistic but I also feel like Wall is done and won't be back this series.

A shame because with Wall I think we win this series. I'm not sold on the Hawks at all.

Post #88 » by **TheSecretWeapon** » Thu May 7, 2015 3:04 pm

hands11 wrote:
He has repeatedly said... its a really bad strain.

It's a meaningless distinction, though. A sprain is damage to the ligament, a strain is damage to a muscle or tendon. The fact that there's that much swelling and apparent discomfort is worrisome. Hopefully he improves enough that he can play. He's REALLY going to need that left hand going forward -- that's where defenses will be pushing him when he gets back on the court this postseason.

Sluggerface · Post #89 » by **Sluggerface** » Thu May 7, 2015 3:11 pm

Not willing to risk the future to push harder in what is supposed to be a development year. Just shut it down. We can all hop on the caps bandwagon.

dckingsfan · Post #90 » by **dckingsfan** » Thu May 7, 2015 3:27 pm

Induveca wrote:The fact he hasn't had an MRI is worrisome. The excuse the wrist is "too swollen" for an MRI doesn't make much sense in terms of a result. You just have to sit still for 15-20 minutes and not move. Nothing is physically touching your wrist during an MRI. And the little fact that swelling has zero impact an MRI result.

Doctors will only say to wait if the patient is in too much pain to sit completely still for 30-45 minutes in the needed position (in this case likely twisting his wrist).

Not a good sign.

I think that they would want to do keyhole surgery vs. MRI. Guessing that isn't an option and have him still play?

But regardless - it is not a good sign at all.

tontoz · Post #91 » by **tontoz** » Thu May 7, 2015 3:43 pm

I remember trying to play with a similar injury that was less severe. I didn't think it would be a problem to play again.

Then i got out there and got knocked down. Didn't land on it or anything, just put it on the ground to push myself back up. That was all it took. I walked straight out of the gym and didnt play again for months.

Dat2U · Post #92 » by **Dat2U** » Thu May 7, 2015 3:47 pm

This 3-day break is an absolute lifesaver for us. I'm not sure if we could have survived because it would have been unlikely that Wall would have been able to play today AND Saturday at full strength even missing Tuesday's game. At least now, with a total of 6 days since he last played to get treatment and rest, there's a shot (don't know how good it is though) he can improve well enough to where he can play through the pain beginning Saturday & going forward.

tontoz · Post #93 » by **tontoz** » Thu May 7, 2015 4:20 pm

Dat2U wrote:This 3-day break is an absolute lifesaver for us. I'm not sure if we could have survived because it would have been unlikely that Wall would have been able to play today AND Saturday at full strength even missing Tuesday's game. At least now, with a total of 6 days since he last played to get treatment and rest, there's a shot (don't know how good it is though) he can improve well enough to where he can play through the pain beginning Saturday & going forward.

I would like to believe that because Atlanta is very beatable. But injuries like this are slow to heal, even for young guys. And if he does play, the chances of him aggravating it are pretty high.

My guess is that he will try to play. He has shown that he is willing to play through injuries and this is the playoffs. But it will be very tough for him to play multiple games.

dckingsfan · Post #94 » by **dckingsfan** » Thu May 7, 2015 4:26 pm

Dat2U wrote:This 3-day break is an absolute lifesaver for us. I'm not sure if we could have survived because it would have been unlikely that Wall would have been able to play today AND Saturday at full strength even missing Tuesday's game. At least now, with a total of 6 days since he last played to get treatment and rest, there's a shot (don't know how good it is though) he can improve well enough to where he can play through the pain beginning Saturday & going forward.

Or maybe even by Monday?

Induveca · Post #95 » by **Induveca** » Thu May 7, 2015 4:27 pm

Dat2U wrote:This 3-day break is an absolute lifesaver for us. I'm not sure if we could have survived because it would have been unlikely that Wall would have been able to play today AND Saturday at full strength even missing Tuesday's game. At least now, with a total of 6 days since he last played to get treatment and rest, there's a shot (don't know how good it is though) he can improve well enough to where he can play through the pain beginning Saturday & going forward.

It all boils down to an MRI result. If he has a tear, or even a partial tear he's done.

I've unfortunately been a part of far too many MRIs as I've gotten older, and foolishly convinced myself I can still practice bodybuilding at the same level I did just 5 years ago. There are really only 3 scenarios I can see, and one which seems highly unlikely. Severe sprain (ligament damaged with microtears), partial tear, or complete tear.

We know it's at least a severe sprain due to the amount of swelling. Hopefully Wiz medical staff give him a few secretive "questionable" shots which speed healing (shhh), anti-inflammatory shots and a boatload of tendon/bone lubricant supplements. If it's a visible partial or full tear he's out for the playoffs though, just no way around it for a PG.

JWizmentality · Post #96 » by **JWizmentality** » Thu May 7, 2015 5:27 pm

sigh...not too optimistic. Well, it was a good ride.

exculpatory · Post #97 » by **exculpatory** » Thu May 7, 2015 6:47 pm

Goddammit!

John Wall has 5 non-displaced fractures in his left (non-shooting) hand. Bad news just got a lot worse for #Wizards: http://t.co/w186AJckqU

noworriesinmd · Post #98 » by **noworriesinmd** » Thu May 7, 2015 6:49 pm

Treatment for non-displaced fracture is splint or cast.
non-diplaced means the bone did not move after the fracture.

teleblaze · Post #99 » by **teleblaze** » Thu May 7, 2015 6:51 pm

fkn unlucky..
how did this happen?

dckingsfan · Post #100 » by **dckingsfan** » Thu May 7, 2015 7:02 pm

noworriesinmd wrote:Treatment for non-displaced fracture is splint or cast.
non-diplaced means the bone did not move after the fracture.

Yep, shouldn't need any surgery - 6 weeks and then he can start rehab. Sucks but lucky?