Draft Thread: Who do you want with the 13th pick? Stanley Johnson and WCS added..change votes if you want

[thamadkant]

If a player the Suns covet (McD type player) drops to pick 6 onwards... I think he might pull a Bledsoe / Morris trade.
I think he likes Knight better now, he's had great things to say about Knight every time he has the opportunity.

[saintEscaton]

What is an McD type player? Some vaunted prospect who can be heralded as an collectible asset to later be dealt for that one superstar we will never acquire? Judging by this roster I don't see any selective criteria for "his kinda guy". Its just a scrap heap of overacheiving role players held together by superglue without a defining team characteristic

[thamadkant]

A McD type player is someone with the physical attributes, athleticism to push him above his peers. He sees IQ and shooting skills as "a fixable" thing via coaching.. or thats the impression I get anyways.

Westbrook, Lebron James etc are 2 players that exemplify McD's vision of his "type".

[bwgood77]

The more I look at Tyler Harvey, the more I like him for our 2nd pick. Some may want to knock his competition, but if you look at the clip, it looks like they played a bunch of teams in the power conferences (Indiana, Cal, Washington) and also SMU who was really good this year. And he was always double and triple teamed unlike Booker, who was more often wide open due to playing with so much talent.

Harvey's game really does look a lot like Steph Curry's.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaWwYHJcfZA[/youtube]

Not a bad game against 4th seed Georgetown in the tourney either. http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400785352

A lot better than D'Angelo Russell's final game in the tourney.

[kennydorglas]

The more I look at Tyler Harvey, the more I like him for our 2nd pick. Some may want to knock his competition, but if you look at the clip, it looks like they played a bunch of teams in the power conferences (Indiana, Cal, Washington) and also SMU who was really good this year. And he was always double and triple teamed unlike Booker, who was more often wide open due to playing with so much talent.

Harvey's game really does look a lot like Steph Curry's.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaWwYHJcfZA[/youtube]

Not a bad game against 4th seed Georgetown in the tourney either. http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400785352

A lot better than D'Angelo Russell's final game in the tourney.

Harvey is a unbelievable offensive player, but he's probably the worst defender that I ever seen.
He has a very decent handle, can create his offense with ease, already mastered the sweep&sway.
I dunno, maybe i'd be tempted to draft him, but that depends on who's available at #43.

[bwgood77]

The more I look at Tyler Harvey, the more I like him for our 2nd pick. Some may want to knock his competition, but if you look at the clip, it looks like they played a bunch of teams in the power conferences (Indiana, Cal, Washington) and also SMU who was really good this year. And he was always double and triple teamed unlike Booker, who was more often wide open due to playing with so much talent.

Harvey's game really does look a lot like Steph Curry's.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaWwYHJcfZA[/youtube]

Not a bad game against 4th seed Georgetown in the tourney either. http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400785352

A lot better than D'Angelo Russell's final game in the tourney.

Harvey is a unbelievable offensive player, but he's probably the worst defender that I ever seen.
He has a very decent handle, can create his offense with ease, already mastered the sweep&sway.
I dunno, maybe i'd be tempted to draft him, but that depends on who's available at #43.

Who is available at 43? I mean, this guy could end up a stud...and at worst I bet he is a super scoring sub off the bench a la Jamal Crawford....but with guys from small schools becoming absolute studs like Curry and Lillard...guys that played a few years at small colleges, I'd rather gamble on a guy you know is a pure shooter....if you watched the video, it's obvious he has nba range....half the time he was WELL behind the 3 pt line, and these shots were not close...most of them didn't even hit the rim. CJ McCollum was drafted fairly high too but he was out his rookie year and really kind of stuck behind rotation guys this year.

I think with the focus on all these one and done players today, that the bust probability is MUCH higher than it used to be for one year guys. If a guy has demonstrated he is an absolute stud who took a mid major team to the tourney on his back and held his own against a team like Georgetown and other top tier schools, you have to look at that hard.....especially at the 43rd pick. Most of the guys we talk about for our first pick are so raw we have no idea what they will be. Earl Clark was the 9th pick, and I remember, based on what I had read at the time thinking that he might be the best athlete with the highest upside outside of a couple of guys. You never know and it is a complete gamble with those guys.

People keep throwing Alec Brown into future lineups and the guy sucked in D league...you just have to look at the numbers. This guy is a definite player and will stick, as a minimum, as a guy that comes in and scores for you, and the upside is unknown. You have a guy that can hit those type of shots, he will be extremely valuable if you can get one star or players that leave him open....even with a guy or two in his face he will back up just to get behind the 3 pt line and nail it...it's kind of uncanny the way he moves around like that. A guy like Booker might get there being able to move and create shots on the fly from 3 and just touch the net...but he would just hit set shots while wide open for the most part. You look at that video....he is sinking long three pointers while backing up and jumping around.

[kennydorglas]

The more I look at Tyler Harvey, the more I like him for our 2nd pick. Some may want to knock his competition, but if you look at the clip, it looks like they played a bunch of teams in the power conferences (Indiana, Cal, Washington) and also SMU who was really good this year. And he was always double and triple teamed unlike Booker, who was more often wide open due to playing with so much talent.

Harvey's game really does look a lot like Steph Curry's.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaWwYHJcfZA[/youtube]

Not a bad game against 4th seed Georgetown in the tourney either. http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400785352

A lot better than D'Angelo Russell's final game in the tourney.

Harvey is a unbelievable offensive player, but he's probably the worst defender that I ever seen.
He has a very decent handle, can create his offense with ease, already mastered the sweep&sway.
I dunno, maybe i'd be tempted to draft him, but that depends on who's available at #43.

Who is available at 43? I mean, this guy could end up a stud...and at worst I bet he is a super scoring sub off the bench a la Jamal Crawford....but with guys from small schools becoming absolute studs like Curry and Lillard...guys that played a few years at small colleges, I'd rather gamble on a guy you know is a pure shooter....if you watched the video, it's obvious he has nba range....half the time he was WELL behind the 3 pt line, and these shots were not close...most of them didn't even hit the rim. CJ McCollum was drafted fairly high too but he was out his rookie year and really kind of stuck behind rotation guys this year.

I think with the focus on all these one and done players today, that the bust probability is MUCH higher than it used to be for one year guys. If a guy has demonstrated he is an absolute stud who took a mid major team to the tourney on his back and held his own against a team like Georgetown and other top tier schools, you have to look at that hard.....especially at the 43rd pick. Most of the guys we talk about for our first pick are so raw we have no idea what they will be. Earl Clark was the 9th pick, and I remember, based on what I had read at the time thinking that he might be the best athlete with the highest upside outside of a couple of guys. You never know and it is a complete gamble with those guys.

People keep throwing Alec Brown into future lineups and the guy sucked in D league...you just have to look at the numbers. This guy is a definite player and will stick, as a minimum, as a guy that comes in and scores for you, and the upside is unknown. You have a guy that can hit those type of shots, he will be extremely valuable if you can get one star or players that leave him open....even with a guy or two in his face he will back up just to get behind the 3 pt line and nail it...it's kind of uncanny the way he moves around like that. A guy like Booker might get there being able to move and create shots on the fly from 3 and just touch the net...but he would just hit set shots while wide open for the most part. You look at that video....he is sinking long three pointers while backing up and jumping around.

Based on his handle/shooting combination, he'll be a reliable nba scorer. I think he'll light it up on private workouts and maybe he isnt even available on 2nd round

He scores like CJ McCollum used to do in college and he went #11 even after a injury. You never know what can happen on draft day.

[Frank Lee]

We are a bottom 5 team...

no draft pick nor D-leaguer is going to change that.

this team is a mess. You think local support was bad last yr... just wait. Anything less than a total rebuild/break down will do nothing to inspire the already waning fan base. It is a collection of unlikable people and dull personalities..... starting from the top down.

[bwgood77]

Based on his handle/shooting combination, he'll be a reliable nba scorer. I think he'll light it up on private workouts and maybe he isnt even available on 2nd round

He scores like CJ McCollum used to do in college and he went #11 even after a injury. You never know what can happen on draft day.

Yes, I'd be more worried he is long gone by then, then that he would be an absolute bust.

[bwgood77]

We are a bottom 5 team...

no draft pick nor D-leaguer is going to change that.

this team is a mess. You think local support was bad last yr... just wait. Anything less than a total rebuild/break down will do nothing to inspire the already waning fan base. It is a collection of unlikable people and dull personalities..... starting from the top down.

Yes, when shuffling roster all season, building bad roster, and having injuries, we may be. But people thought we were a bottom three team going into the season two years ago, so lets see what happens instead of predicting the sky continues to fall and crushes Frank Lee.

[MrMiyagi]

We are a bottom 5 team...

no draft pick nor D-leaguer is going to change that.

this team is a mess. You think local support was bad last yr... just wait. Anything less than a total rebuild/break down will do nothing to inspire the already waning fan base. It is a collection of unlikable people and dull personalities..... starting from the top down.

[RunDogGun]

Bwgood, didn't Clark go #14?

[drewsprocket]

We're a team with one potential star but solid starter and good to great role players. Bledsoe as it stands needs more help on offense. I think a more polished offensive player will enable him to tighten up his erratic turnovers. For example, adding a solid high post player or pick and roll partner grounds the offensive sets. The roster as it stands is too inconsistent and only adds to Bled's weaknesses. Right now we go back and forth between pick and pops which are inconsistent and dumping over to Kieff on the wing.
He's still a solid starter. McD thinks Knight is the answer -- we'll see. I think it needs a stronger more complimentary type player, not just another scoring pg.

[NoKneeBledsoe]

Why are you laughing at what Frank Lee said Mr. Miyagi?

We are a bottom 5 team and really have no player that can be considered a piece to build around or be considered as a leader!


Bledsoe - I don't even know how to explain him. Horrible with turnovers and horrible shot. Just goes full speed with no real skill! Not a good PG to be a leader on your team

Knight - He has looked horrible on the suns!

Len - He is decent but hurt all the time and i wouldnt use him as a 1st or 2nd option!

MOrrii- they both are horrible and sit out at the 3

Warren and Goodwin - You guys make them seem like the best thing since sliced bread! They have done crap

PJ Tucker - wouldnt even be a starter for any other team!

This roster is a mess.

[MrMiyagi]

Why are you laughing at what Frank Lee said Mr. Miyagi?

We are a bottom 5 team and really have no player that can be considered a piece to build around or be considered as a leader!


Bledsoe - I don't even know how to explain him. Horrible with turnovers and horrible shot. Just goes full speed with no real skill! Not a good PG to be a leader on your team

Knight - He has looked horrible on the suns!

Len - He is decent but hurt all the time and i wouldnt use him as a 1st or 2nd option!

MOrrii- they both are horrible and sit out at the 3

Warren and Goodwin - You guys make them seem like the best thing since sliced bread! They have done crap

PJ Tucker - wouldnt even be a starter for any other team!

This roster is a mess.

[saintEscaton]

Why are you laughing at what Frank Lee said Mr. Miyagi?

We are a bottom 5 team and really have no player that can be considered a piece to build around or be considered as a leader!


Bledsoe - I don't even know how to explain him. Horrible with turnovers and horrible shot. Just goes full speed with no real skill! Not a good PG to be a leader on your team

Knight - He has looked horrible on the suns!

Len - He is decent but hurt all the time and i wouldnt use him as a 1st or 2nd option!

MOrrii- they both are horrible and sit out at the 3

Warren and Goodwin - You guys make them seem like the best thing since sliced bread! They have done crap

PJ Tucker - wouldnt even be a starter for any other team!

This roster is a mess.

Sometimes the truth hurts and laughter is the only relief

[MrMiyagi]

We missed the playoffs. Suddenly we're a bottom 5 team in the NBA. This whole board is full of hyperbolic bullsh*t. THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!! WE'RE DOOMED!!!!!!!!!

[bwgood77]

Bwgood, didn't Clark go #14?

Yes, I don't know why, but I always think 9th. Probably thinking that was where he was ranked in a mock draft or something.

[bwgood77]

Why are you laughing at what Frank Lee said Mr. Miyagi?

We are a bottom 5 team and really have no player that can be considered a piece to build around or be considered as a leader!


Bledsoe - I don't even know how to explain him. Horrible with turnovers and horrible shot. Just goes full speed with no real skill! Not a good PG to be a leader on your team

Knight - He has looked horrible on the suns!

Len - He is decent but hurt all the time and i wouldnt use him as a 1st or 2nd option!

MOrrii- they both are horrible and sit out at the 3

Warren and Goodwin - You guys make them seem like the best thing since sliced bread! They have done crap

PJ Tucker - wouldnt even be a starter for any other team!

This roster is a mess.

It was a mess this last year. So do you think McD's head should be on the block? I really like Warren and Len. I don't know if they could be stars but I think they can be solid players and probably solid starters on a pretty good team. Yes, we do need a cornerstone. I think those picks were about the best we could do at those times, and it isn't like McD didn't try to get Love, Lebron, etc, last offseason. It's tough to rebuild from scratch, but we don't have any players from two years ago except PJ Tucker, who is a hard worker and probably not in the long term plans. We have a few pieces and some of them are probably just assets to be traded in a bigger package hopefully for a difference maker.

[kennydorglas]

I"m looking for some draft&stash players and Vezenkov looks like the best who could be available at #43
19yo, 6'8 w/ a really interesting all-around game. (39% in 3's, 77% FT, 1.1 AST/TO, great rebounder)... not athletic at all though.
He looks like a smaller Mirotic to me.

Another one is Luwawu, the complete opposite of Vezenkov (super athletic, defensive stopper), but I think he'll go in the late 1st.