Is Trey Lyles being a little overlooked?

[MalonesElbows]

He is naturally getting a little over looked behind WCS and Towns. Great instincts to find the open man whether it be a cutter or behind the 3 point line. Knows how to use his strength on drives to help him finish. 7 would be a reach, but 17 (DX) is too low.

[Negrodamus]

I honestly see him being one of the few players that will pan out from this draft and could potentially become a star. He would UK games that they shouldn't have won this year.

this... trust me UK loses at least 3 games if they didnt have Lyles. most people didnt see this.

Seriously though, Ole Miss would have definitely been an L. He has the intangibles that is needed to thrive in the NBA. He has a high motor and will be able to bang with the big men in the NBA when he goes through the weight programs and is a full time PF.

Lyles did all of the little things that go unnoticed. He also showed solid post offense. I'd say he's one of, if not the most talented and skilled PFs in the draft. His limitations are post defense and size. If a team can put a shot blocker in the post with him, he will dominate.

[bwgood77]

I honestly see him being one of the few players that will pan out from this draft and could potentially become a star. He would UK games that they shouldn't have won this year.

this... trust me UK loses at least 3 games if they didnt have Lyles. most people didnt see this.

Seriously though, Ole Miss would have definitely been an L. He has the intangibles that is needed to thrive in the NBA. He has a high motor and will be able to bang with the big men in the NBA when he goes through the weight programs and is a full time PF.

Lyles did all of the little things that go unnoticed. He also showed solid post offense. I'd say he's one of, if not the most talented and skilled PFs in the draft. His limitations are post defense and size. If a team can put a shot blocker in the post with him, he will dominate.

I like him as a prospect, but the Suns already took a 3 last year with a great midrange game but not a great 3 pt threat, so I also wish he had shooting range. I don't know if having a 3/4 with good mid range games and no outside game works if you don't have elite long range shooters at the guard position. Suns don't really have that. Knight might be a pretty good long range shooter...Bledsoe, not so much. Markieff not so much either.

[ColdBlooded]

this... trust me UK loses at least 3 games if they didnt have Lyles. most people didnt see this.

Seriously though, Ole Miss would have definitely been an L. He has the intangibles that is needed to thrive in the NBA. He has a high motor and will be able to bang with the big men in the NBA when he goes through the weight programs and is a full time PF.

Lyles did all of the little things that go unnoticed. He also showed solid post offense. I'd say he's one of, if not the most talented and skilled PFs in the draft. His limitations are post defense and size. If a team can put a shot blocker in the post with him, he will dominate.

I like him as a prospect, but the Suns already took a 3 last year with a great midrange game but not a great 3 pt threat, so I also wish he had shooting range. I don't know if having a 3/4 with good mid range games and no outside game works if you don't have elite long range shooters at the guard position. Suns don't really have that. Knight might be a pretty good long range shooter...Bledsoe, not so much. Markieff not so much either.

He's not a combo F.


I like Lyles. Pretty confident he'll be a contributor for a winning team down the line. Enough skill + sky highIQ.

[bwgood77]

Seriously though, Ole Miss would have definitely been an L. He has the intangibles that is needed to thrive in the NBA. He has a high motor and will be able to bang with the big men in the NBA when he goes through the weight programs and is a full time PF.

Lyles did all of the little things that go unnoticed. He also showed solid post offense. I'd say he's one of, if not the most talented and skilled PFs in the draft. His limitations are post defense and size. If a team can put a shot blocker in the post with him, he will dominate.

I like him as a prospect, but the Suns already took a 3 last year with a great midrange game but not a great 3 pt threat, so I also wish he had shooting range. I don't know if having a 3/4 with good mid range games and no outside game works if you don't have elite long range shooters at the guard position. Suns don't really have that. Knight might be a pretty good long range shooter...Bledsoe, not so much. Markieff not so much either.

He's not a combo F.


I like Lyles. Pretty confident he'll be a contributor for a winning team down the line. Enough skill + sky highIQ.

I didn't mean he was a combo forward....my 3/4 part was talking about having TJ Warren at 3 and Trey Lyles at 4 for the Suns would be two guys who are great with short to mid range games which could clog the middle to some extent...so it would be nice to develop range if that was our roster. I love TJ Warren, so I would love a stretch 4, but I don't know if there is one in the Suns range other than Kaminsky. I thought I had mentioned TJ Warren in the post as that 3 but I guess not.

[Negrodamus]

this... trust me UK loses at least 3 games if they didnt have Lyles. most people didnt see this.

Seriously though, Ole Miss would have definitely been an L. He has the intangibles that is needed to thrive in the NBA. He has a high motor and will be able to bang with the big men in the NBA when he goes through the weight programs and is a full time PF.

Lyles did all of the little things that go unnoticed. He also showed solid post offense. I'd say he's one of, if not the most talented and skilled PFs in the draft. His limitations are post defense and size. If a team can put a shot blocker in the post with him, he will dominate.

I like him as a prospect, but the Suns already took a 3 last year with a great midrange game but not a great 3 pt threat, so I also wish he had shooting range. I don't know if having a 3/4 with good mid range games and no outside game works if you don't have elite long range shooters at the guard position. Suns don't really have that. Knight might be a pretty good long range shooter...Bledsoe, not so much. Markieff not so much either.

He's definitely a 4. I'm not sure about the fit on the Suns, but he'd be great on a winning team that isn't demanding too much from him right away. He plays winning basketball.

[Ruzious]

But is there any aspect of the game that he really excels at? I don't see it. Fiscella made the Juwan Howard comp, and I think that's a good call that his ceiling is Howard. And while Howard had some good statistical years, I thought he was no better than a solid player.

[bwgood77]

But is there any aspect of the game that he really excels at? I don't see it. Fiscella made the Juwan Howard comp, and I think that's a good call that his ceiling is Howard. And while Howard had some good statistical years, I thought he was no better than a solid player.

A solid player like Howard would be a great get at the range he is projected to go. Howard was an absolute stud at Michigan. Far more than anything Lyles was, so I'd consider that a good compliment.

[BoutPractice]

Should be a solid face up PF on offense. For some reason it's hard not to picture him as one of those guys who will stick around the league for a long time, but also gets passed around from one team to another every year or two.

Basically that player you use to fill a roster spot when you have a hole at PF. Kind of like Drew Gooden (not a playing style comparison, it's just that Gooden came to me as a typical example of a player thought of as a filler... "there's always Gooden available"). You know he's not quite the long term answer for your team (mostly because of defense), but for now he's better than nothing, as he can hit the midrange J, create his own shot in the key / post area, catch some rebounds etc. He won't fumble his catches or passes, won't make horrific decisions.

It's hard to see a bust with him, and also hard to get overly excited.

[No-Man]

But is there any aspect of the game that he really excels at? I don't see it. Fiscella made the Juwan Howard comp, and I think that's a good call that his ceiling is Howard. And while Howard had some good statistical years, I thought he was no better than a solid player.

I think it is highly unlikely that he gets to Juwans level though, Howard was a physical guy, maybe not an excepcional athlete, but he did the little things a psot player has to do in the league, Lyles plays like he thinks he is a guard, he is soft and he needs loads of teaching before he gets to that, will he with proper coaching? who knows, but I think he is probably more Drew Gooden than Juwan Howard in the end.

[No-Man]

Should be a solid face up PF on offense. For some reason it's hard not to picture him as one of those guys who will stick around the league for a long time, but also gets passed around from one team to another every year or two.

Basically that player you use to fill a roster spot when you have a hole at PF. Kind of like Drew Gooden (not a playing style comparison, it's just that Gooden came to me as a typical example of a player thought of as a filler... "there's always Gooden available"). You know he's not quite the long term answer for your team (mostly because of defense), but for now he's better than nothing, as he can hit the midrange J, create his own shot in the key / post area, catch some rebounds etc. He won't fumble his catches or passes, won't make horrific decisions.

It's hard to see a bust with him, and also hard to get overly excited.

He is going to be heartbreaking for his team and fans, because the talent its obvious but he is never going to fully put it together, nor be only a role player, agin he doesnt do the stuff you need to do for been that as a post player.
I dont know, as a fan, I'd prefer my team going with Jordan Mickey for example over Lyles, thats all I know, Mickey doenst have Lyles talent, but he is a workhorse, a physical player that keeps adding things to his arsenal and know how to play his position.
In the long run, I kind of prefer that.

[ColdBlooded]

Should be a solid face up PF on offense. For some reason it's hard not to picture him as one of those guys who will stick around the league for a long time, but also gets passed around from one team to another every year or two.

Basically that player you use to fill a roster spot when you have a hole at PF. Kind of like Drew Gooden (not a playing style comparison, it's just that Gooden came to me as a typical example of a player thought of as a filler... "there's always Gooden available"). You know he's not quite the long term answer for your team (mostly because of defense), but for now he's better than nothing, as he can hit the midrange J, create his own shot in the key / post area, catch some rebounds etc. He won't fumble his catches or passes, won't make horrific decisions.

It's hard to see a bust with him, and also hard to get overly excited.

Pretty much this.

He's not strong or tough & his instincts seem average, so he'll never be a positive defender. To be more than a filler, he needs to develop a 3-ball. He shoots a very flat ball, so its going to take real work and its not something i expect just to happen with time/reps.