2015 Draft Thread - Part 1

Samuels · Post #541 » by **Samuels** » Mon May 11, 2015 11:53 am

A rookie is not cracking our lineup next year at any spot with Randy. I want a young high ceiling player swing for the fences looking down the road.

Post #542 » by **Ruzious** » Mon May 11, 2015 12:29 pm

gambitx777 wrote:
Sluggerface wrote:Just watched Kaminsky's DX interview about some of the work he's doing at P3 in california. Those guys have done phenomenal work with guys like Korver and Millsap. Seems pretty dead set on having a good combine, will be interesting to see.

Also said that he was primarily focused on transitioning to be a face-up 4 and not a center.

This might be best for him, he might be better off trying to become a Dirk like player and playing most of his minutes at 4 and not the 5. But he will probably still play some 5. I feel like we have all be going on about Portis and Wood, and those are two great options, but What if Frank falls to us. It's possible! Some teams want that youth, and up side, and there are a lot of those young bigs in the draft..... if by some twist of fate Portis/wood/ frank are sitting there at 19 I think you have to take Frank right? My lord can you imagine EG pulling some magic and we can pull off getting frank and wood or something like that.

Not unless Wood falls to the 48th pick, because just getting Frank would likely cost their 1st round picks for 2015 and 2016.

Post #543 » by **Ruzious** » Mon May 11, 2015 12:35 pm

Samuels wrote:A rookie is not cracking our lineup next year at any spot with Randy. I want a young high ceiling player swing for the fences looking down the road.

It depends on the rookie. If anything, Beal was rushed into the starting lineup. They've had so few talented rookies under Wittman that you can't be sure. Rice doesn't count because of his immaturity. I think he'd play Kaminsky because of his maturity.

Samuels · Post #544 » by **Samuels** » Mon May 11, 2015 12:56 pm

Jerian Grant might get PT as a combo guard. He isnt playing a rookie big over our bigs.

He jerked Otto around alot any time he got minutes he produced. But Randy was very sporadic and inconsistent with Otto getting PT. To many one mistake and jerk him deals. Regardless of playoff runs Randy holds this team back. Humphries getting 0 PT is a joke that is the type of hustler we need. Nene gets free passes to poop all over the court. He is a slow plodder on his rotations but faces no consequences for his lethargic play regardless of his game 3 performance he has been a turd.

No-Man · Post #545 » by **No-Man** » Mon May 11, 2015 4:53 pm

I have this as my top 19 prospects in the 1st and 2nd round,

Jahlil Okafor
Emmanuel Mudiay
D'Angelo Russell
Karl-Anthony Towns Jr.
Justise Winslow
Kristaps Porzingis
Mario Hezonja
Kelly Oubre
Stanley Johnson
Tyus Jones
Myles Turner
Cameron Payne
Frank Kaminsky
Bobby Portis
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
Devin Booker
Jerian Grant
Willie Cauley-Stein
Jordan Mickey

Christian Wood
Willy Hernangómez
Cedi Osman
Dakari Johnson
Nikola Milutinov
Brandon Ashley
JP Tokoto
Michael Frazier
Chris McCullough
George Lucas de Paula
Norman Powell
Mam Jaiteh
Rashad Vaughn
Moussa Diagne
Olivier Hanlan
Aaron Harrison
Robert Upshaw
Marc Garcia
Tyler Harvey

That gives you Jordan Mickey and Tyler Harvey, I think that is a solid B/B+ draft.

gambitx777 · Post #546 » by **gambitx777** » Mon May 11, 2015 8:11 pm

Ruzious wrote:
gambitx777 wrote:
Sluggerface wrote:Just watched Kaminsky's DX interview about some of the work he's doing at P3 in california. Those guys have done phenomenal work with guys like Korver and Millsap. Seems pretty dead set on having a good combine, will be interesting to see.

Also said that he was primarily focused on transitioning to be a face-up 4 and not a center.

This might be best for him, he might be better off trying to become a Dirk like player and playing most of his minutes at 4 and not the 5. But he will probably still play some 5. I feel like we have all be going on about Portis and Wood, and those are two great options, but What if Frank falls to us. It's possible! Some teams want that youth, and up side, and there are a lot of those young bigs in the draft..... if by some twist of fate Portis/wood/ frank are sitting there at 19 I think you have to take Frank right? My lord can you imagine EG pulling some magic and we can pull off getting frank and wood or something like that.

Not unless Wood falls to the 48th pick, because just getting Frank would likely cost their 1st round picks for 2015 and 2016.

Not necessarily, I feel like this is going to be one of those drafts where a lot of people are not going to go where we think. The rockets and the buck could both move their picks. I feel like if you offer a 2016 protected to them they might be willing to dump that pick to save cash then you have 2 picks. Both Frank and Portis could be sitting there in the late teens.

Severn Hoos · Post #547 » by **Severn Hoos** » Mon May 11, 2015 8:27 pm

gambitx777 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
gambitx777 wrote:This might be best for him, he might be better off trying to become a Dirk like player and playing most of his minutes at 4 and not the 5. But he will probably still play some 5. I feel like we have all be going on about Portis and Wood, and those are two great options, but What if Frank falls to us. It's possible! Some teams want that youth, and up side, and there are a lot of those young bigs in the draft..... if by some twist of fate Portis/wood/ frank are sitting there at 19 I think you have to take Frank right? My lord can you imagine EG pulling some magic and we can pull off getting frank and wood or something like that.

Not unless Wood falls to the 48th pick, because just getting Frank would likely cost their 1st round picks for 2015 and 2016.

Not necessarily, I feel like this is going to be one of those drafts where a lot of people are not going to go where we think. The rockets and the buck could both move their picks. I feel like if you offer a 2016 protected to them they might be willing to dump that pick to save cash then you have 2 picks. Both Frank and Portis could be sitting there in the late teens.

I could see one possibility where this comes into play. A team using its draft pick on a player this summer then has that player (and his salary) on the books in the Super Summer of Sixteen. But, if they defer that pick to next year's draft, they get a lower salary (1st year for a '16 draftee vs. 2nd year for a '15 draftee), plus only count the 100% slot number vs. the 120% that always ends up being the actual salary (does that rule still apply?) It might mean the difference of a few Hundred $K - probably not enough to make a team want to do it, but a minor incentive. Or, if a team is looking to make a splash this summer (PHX? Houston?), they might get out of this year's pick for another shot at next year's.

Still think it's unlikely, but sure would be nice....

Post #548 » by **Ruzious** » Mon May 11, 2015 8:39 pm

Brings to mind a great Supertramp song - "Dreamer".

closg00 · Post #549 » by **closg00** » Mon May 11, 2015 9:05 pm

Do you think the odds of keeping the 1st round pick are greater than 50/50?

#FireErnie ~ Because he believed Stephen Curry couldn't help us and Jan Vesely could.

Post #550 » by **Ruzious** » Tue May 12, 2015 7:21 pm

closg00 wrote:Do you think the odds of keeping the 1st round pick are greater than 50/50?

Yeah - definitely better than keeping the 2nd round pick.

Speaking of 2nd round picks, this is a player who doesn't fit the NBA body profile but has put up excellent college stats - Rayvonte Rice. http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ray ... 185/stats/ He's listed at 6'4 233 - looks a little shorter than that. Gotta ask CCJ, Kev or anyone else with a system for evaluating college stats - Is he a legit prospect?

gambitx777 · Post #551 » by **gambitx777** » Tue May 12, 2015 8:32 pm

Ruzious wrote:
closg00 wrote:Do you think the odds of keeping the 1st round pick are greater than 50/50?

Yeah - definitely better than keeping the 2nd round pick.

Speaking of 2nd round picks, this is a player who doesn't fit the NBA body profile but has put up excellent college stats - Rayvonte Rice. http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ray ... 185/stats/ He's listed at 6'4 233 - looks a little shorter than that. Gotta ask CCJ, Kev or anyone else with a system for evaluating college stats - Is he a legit prospect?

The kid reminds me a lot of beal. He rebounds well, Plays solid D, Has decent size, and a god body. He shoots 3's well, but his overall fg% is not great. He has tools to work with and could become a decent shooter and a good defender. He does not turn the ball over a lot but does not dish out a lot of assists, that tells me he is at least a some what decent passer.

I have not watched him play much and I can not speak to his effort, speed or attitude.

nuposse04 · Post #552 » by **nuposse04** » Wed May 13, 2015 6:59 pm

http://stats.nba.com/draftcombine/#!/an ... T_IN&dir=1

nuposse04 · Post #553 » by **nuposse04** » Wed May 13, 2015 6:59 pm

draft combine measurements.

Post #554 » by **nate33** » Wed May 13, 2015 7:36 pm

closg00 wrote:Do you think the odds of keeping the 1st round pick are greater than 50/50?

#FireErnie ~ Because he believed Stephen Curry couldn't help us and Jan Vesely could.

The odds of us keeping our 1st rounder are close to 100%. The only way we trade it is if we get a big fish like Love or Durant. I really don't think EG will trade it for some mediocre veteran. EG has a plan. That plan is to have the best possible roster to place around Durant, while having enough cap room to go after Durant. In 2016, we're better off having the 2015 #19 draft pick in his second season earning $1.3M than having a veteran combo guard or stretch four earning $6M.

theboomking · Post #555 » by **theboomking** » Wed May 13, 2015 7:44 pm

I wonder if any other team might be considering selling a pick. EG probably doesn't think we have room on the roster, but I would like to see us try to grab 2 firsts if we could buy one.

Also, Myles Turner had a 9'4" standing reach. I already liked him better than Kaminsky and Portis. I still think we ought to try to move up a few slots to make sure we get Kaminsky or Portis. I know PIF agrees!

Post #556 » by **Ruzious** » Wed May 13, 2015 8:07 pm

nuposse04 wrote:http://stats.nba.com/draftcombine/#!/an ... T_IN&dir=1

Wow, there were a lot of bigs that measured very well - a lot of them a little longer than I would have expected. Rakeem Christmas might have earned 1st round consideration. Upshaw had the best standing reach, the best wingspan, and the longest and widest hands. I guess it all depends on how he does with interviews - If he does poorly, he might not get drafted, but if he does real well, someone will use a 1st round pick on him.

closg00 · Post #557 » by **closg00** » Wed May 13, 2015 8:32 pm

nate33 wrote:
closg00 wrote:Do you think the odds of keeping the 1st round pick are greater than 50/50?

#FireErnie ~ Because he believed Stephen Curry couldn't help us and Jan Vesely could.

The odds of us keeping our 1st rounder are close to 100%. The only way we trade it is if we get a big fish like Love or Durant. I really don't think EG will trade it for some mediocre veteran. EG has a plan. That plan is to have the best possible roster to place around Durant, while having enough cap room to go after Durant. In 2016, we're better off having the 2015 #19 draft pick in his second season earning $1.3M than having a veteran combo guard or stretch four earning $6M.

Ok, I put that out-there because we have tried to unload Webster the last two years. I don't know how-much is left on his contract, but I would not be surprised to see the pick be packaged in a trade just like this-years first rounder was. Something to keep an eye-on on draft night.

pcbothwel · Post #558 » by **pcbothwel** » Wed May 13, 2015 8:38 pm

Christmas is same size as Horford/Kanter and bigger than Tristan Thompson. I think he can play a good bit of Center. Im impressed

Portis, Lyles, Looney and Wood all measured in pretty well
Aaron white is a sleeper and measured in better than Dekker
Cliff Alexander is becoming real appealing...
RJ Hunter has higher standing reach than Stanley Johnson... Stan might have problems playing small ball 4 in the league

jivelikenice · Post #559 » by **jivelikenice** » Wed May 13, 2015 9:28 pm

My Draft Wishlist (as of today factoring in positions and who I think may be available for the Wizards)

1. Trey Lyles - Not my favorite player in the draft but a need pick as a potential stretch 4 with some perimeter skills
2. Jerian Grant - Think he can be a great combo guard who slides right in behind Wall/Beal
3. RJ Hunter - Great shooter would give us depth behind Beal and at his length could play some 3 as he gets stronger. Can't have enough shooting
4. Kevon Looney - Another potential stretch 4
5. Tyus Jones - Talented but can he play with Wall?

I'm not a huge fan of Portis. His athleticism reminds me of Dray.

nuposse04 · Post #560 » by **nuposse04** » Wed May 13, 2015 9:51 pm

Ruzious wrote:
nuposse04 wrote:http://stats.nba.com/draftcombine/#!/an ... T_IN&dir=1

Wow, there were a lot of bigs that measured very well - a lot of them a little longer than I would have expected. Rakeem Christmas might have earned 1st round consideration. Upshaw had the best standing reach, the best wingspan, and the longest and widest hands. I guess it all depends on how he does with interviews - If he does poorly, he might not get drafted, but if he does real well, someone will use a 1st round pick on him.

I was actually surprised at Kaminsky, I thought he'd have cody zeller like reach, but he measured really well. If he can bulk up he might have a nice future as a stretch 5. I also like Portis's reach. I don't think we'll be in position to draft either though, unless we trade up with a future '16 pick.