Was Patriot punishment enough?

bluejerseyjinx · Post #1 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Tue May 12, 2015 12:58 am

Frankly, I was a bit surprised the punishment was not more severe. I thought Brady should have gotten at least eight games if not more, for being uncooperative during an NFL investigation and the whole organization for being total obstructionist. The fine and draft picks I saw coming and have no problem with. What pisses me off more than anything is Bellicheat getting off scott free. No one will ever convince me he knew nothing and had nothing to do with anything. Brady saved Bellicheat's career and now is taking the fall to save his coaches so-called legacy.
With spy gate still looming and now this, I have 2 of the Patriot super bowls as tainted. JMHO. And the Patriots still to this day continue to be pompous and arrogant every time they are challenged in anyway. If they weren't so pompous and arrogant, always looking down on those in their way and now challenging and pushing back the NFL, they might have gotten a lighter punishment. I guess it finally caught up with them. Between me and all you guys, I have the feeling the league has a whole lot more on the patriots than is being reported. If the Patriots don't shut up and take their medicine like men, it might open up a whole can of worms everyone will regret.

pools · Post #2 » by **pools** » Tue May 12, 2015 1:30 am

Pats draft pick loss was a little rough. The fine was a joke Pats are worth well over a billion and they hit them with 1 million?
Brady got a slap on the wrist, after the appeal he will be down to 1 or 2 games. Sorry but if they didn't think they were doing anything wrong why were they hiding in the bathroom and not doing it on the sidelines? They are repeat offenders I dont care how long it has been since the last offence the same people are running the show.

They should have at the very least started Brady at 8 games and then reduced from there.

bluejerseyjinx · Post #3 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Tue May 12, 2015 3:31 am

Bellicheat gets off scott free. What was it the commissioner said to Sean Peyton when bounty gate happened? There is no excuse for the coach not knowing everything going on with his ball club. He got a full one year suspension. New England as a repeat offender, and nothing dished out to Bellicheat. That's the one thing I fully expected to happened.

bluejerseyjinx · Post #4 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Tue May 12, 2015 3:34 am

pools wrote:Pats draft pick loss was a little rough. The fine was a joke Pats are worth well over a billion and they hit them with 1 million?
Brady got a slap on the wrist, after the appeal he will be down to 1 or 2 games. Sorry but if they didn't think they were doing anything wrong why were they hiding in the bathroom and not doing it on the sidelines? They are repeat offenders I dont care how long it has been since the last offence the same people are running the show.

They should have at the very least started Brady at 8 games and then reduced from there.

Seriously, in the AFC east, you could suspend Brady for 8 games and they will still win the division. Some punishment.

Jarntt · Post #5 » by **Jarntt** » Tue May 12, 2015 3:38 am

If it stays as is after appeal I felt it was a little on the tough side. 4 games for letting the air out of balls plus a #1 pick and a 4th? That's a big penalty.

bluejerseyjinx · Post #6 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Tue May 12, 2015 4:11 am

I think the NFL has a lot more on the patriots than is being reported. I also don't believe the Colts game was the only game this happened. There were also some rumblings after the Ravens and Packers game as well. So if this is true, then common sense tells me it is more probable than not that it has been done before. No punishment for bellicheat as a repeat offender. Same **** as spy gate on his part. If the tapes were not harmful, why burn them. Deny, deny, deny and then blame everyone else and throw them under the bus. Never accountable for anything. I don't believe a word of any of that crap that comes out of NE anymore.

Schmoopy1000 · Post #7 » by **Schmoopy1000** » Tue May 12, 2015 4:26 am

I think 4 game suspension is just right. If that gets reduced I think Brady gets off light. I don't believe deflating the balls changed the outcome of the winner. I think the fact they were knowingly breaking a rule & trying to get away with it is why he should sit 4 games. Bending a rule as so many say. Is trying to read the wording of a rule in a way to say it is legal (even if they know it is not) Brady & co. knew they were breaking a rule & was trying to hide it & get away with it. So I am all good with severe penalties for this.

As far as the Pats goes. Anytime you lose a 1st round pick that is huge, even if fans don't want to realize that. While a million bucks may not seem like much to fans that look at the worth of a franchise. It is still a million bucks! How often do you see fines in the 7 figures.

pools · Post #8 » by **pools** » Tue May 12, 2015 9:13 am

the text messages seem to paint a picture that this deflating occurs on a regular game basis. The guy referred to himself in text messages as "the deflater". In messages before they went public.

The act of hiding in the bathroom to do it makes the hole thing look worse.

Otis Driftwood · Post #9 » by **Otis Driftwood** » Tue May 12, 2015 8:50 pm

bluejerseyjinx wrote:Bellicheat gets off scott free. What was it the commissioner said to Sean Peyton when bounty gate happened? There is no excuse for the coach not knowing everything going on with his ball club. He got a full one year suspension. New England as a repeat offender, and nothing dished out to Bellicheat. That's the one thing I fully expected to happened.

"Ignorance is no excuse..."

Little Bill should have gotten at least a game.

Manster7588 · Post #10 » by **Manster7588** » Wed May 13, 2015 2:03 pm

It was definitely tough. Four games for a little less air in the ball? Bradys suspension probably gets reduced to two games, I'll be fine no matter what the out come is 1 game, 2 games, 3 or 4. The 1st round pick is the harsh part of the punishment. I did not se that coming.

bluejerseyjinx · Post #11 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:05 am

Looks like the suspension is going to be upheld. Patsie's went after Matt Flynn today.

bluejerseyjinx · Post #12 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:10 am

Roadhog Moran wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:Bellicheat gets off scott free. What was it the commissioner said to Sean Peyton when bounty gate happened? There is no excuse for the coach not knowing everything going on with his ball club. He got a full one year suspension. New England as a repeat offender, and nothing dished out to Bellicheat. That's the one thing I fully expected to happened.

"Ignorance is no excuse..."

Little Bill should have gotten at least a game.

Just one game? Your lucky I'm not a Saint fan or a coach named Sean Peyton. :violin:

Manster7588 · Post #13 » by **Manster7588** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 4:47 pm

bluejerseyjinx wrote:
Roadhog Moran wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:Bellicheat gets off scott free. What was it the commissioner said to Sean Peyton when bounty gate happened? There is no excuse for the coach not knowing everything going on with his ball club. He got a full one year suspension. New England as a repeat offender, and nothing dished out to Bellicheat. That's the one thing I fully expected to happened.

"Ignorance is no excuse..."

Little Bill should have gotten at least a game.

Just one game? Your lucky I'm not a Saint fan or a coach named Sean Peyton.

Peyton got the year because ALL teams were sent cease the bounties and the Saints kept on paying them out after. Many teams were paying for these hits, and the league saw it as dangerous and that teams were/could be in cap violations. Was it a harsh penalty yes, but he should have ensured the practice stopped. Now if the league approached the Pats and told them Brady and his ball boys are breaking rules with underinflated balls and told Belichick it will bring penalties and it wasn't stopped I do believe he'd be out for the year.

bluejerseyjinx · Post #14 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Mon Jun 15, 2015 3:52 am

I wasn't under the impression the commissioner had to send out memo's for NFL teams to follow the written rules. There is no way anyone will ever convince me Bellicheat didn't know about deflate gate. And the first offense, the spy gate film had to be destroyed. Bellicheat should get a year but I think there is a lot of crap the commissioner doesn't want the general public and average fan to know.

Manster7588 · Post #15 » by **Manster7588** » Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:01 pm

bluejerseyjinx wrote:I wasn't under the impression the commissioner had to send out memo's for NFL teams to follow the written rules. There is no way anyone will ever convince me Bellicheat didn't know about deflate gate. And the first offense, the spy gate film had to be destroyed. Bellicheat should get a year but I think there is a lot of crap the commissioner doesn't want the general public and average fan to know.

Never said the Goodell has to send out a letter, just saying he did for the bounties because it was multiple teams doing it. All other teams quit, that is why Payton go a year. Think about it if you were the man in charge and told the teams to quit the practice and ONE team ignored you what would you have done?
Now I do think Belichick had to have known, but the investigation team the NFL hired claims there is no evidence BB knew. I think Goodell has to follow what the investigation he paid for says. If he ignores the report and punishes BB too both BB and Brady have strong appeal cases.

Otis Driftwood · Post #16 » by **Otis Driftwood** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 12:56 am

bluejerseyjinx wrote:
Roadhog Moran wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:Bellicheat gets off scott free. What was it the commissioner said to Sean Peyton when bounty gate happened? There is no excuse for the coach not knowing everything going on with his ball club. He got a full one year suspension. New England as a repeat offender, and nothing dished out to Bellicheat. That's the one thing I fully expected to happened.

"Ignorance is no excuse..."

Little Bill should have gotten at least a game.

Just one game? Your lucky I'm not a Saint fan or a coach named Sean Peyton.

And Saints fans have plenty of reason not being happy with one game... much less any games.