FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread

[Meat]

Who says no on this one.......

Knicks get #1 pick -- Magic get #5 pick.

Knicks trade #1 (Towns), Calderon & THJ.
Knicks get V-Oladipo, E-Fournier, M-Harkless and pick #5 (WCS).

Knicks sign Monroe & T-Harris.

Oladipo/Schved
Galloway /Fournier
Melo/Harkless/Early
T-Harris/L-Thomas/Lou
Monroe/WCS

If I could get 2 top young defensive players Oladipo/WCS for the #1 pick I think about it. Plus Oladipo is the type of guy / player that get his own and get into the paint.

Doubt Orlando would move Victor but they could pair Towns with Vucevic and pair E-Payton with THJ in backcourt.

idk about harris and wtf wcs at 5 like justice aint the ****

[ORANGEandBLUE]

all those guys were strong low post defenders and exceptional rebounders (horry was a part time bench player) he shouldn't be counted.

Odom and Rodman were exceptional on the glass, putting giannis at the 4 would be a disaster down low. Do you think he would body with Zach Randolph, David West, Terrence Jones, Draymond Green, Kevin Love. Just to name a few.

I think Giannis is a rangy point forward that should be used as such. Its not going to happen anyway and I think Milwaukee is a good team for him to continue to develop his game.

You'd also need a bruiser at the 5 to balance it out. If we face the rare line-up where BOTH bigs can bully him, we just slide him to the 2, or let Melo take a game-full of beating at the 4. That's not gonna kill him and he's proven that if anything he is BETTER at guarding 4's than 3's. Against the vast, vast majority of line-ups you're gonna see, Giannis at the 4 is totally fine.

Again, if we can get a frontcourt with decent shooting ability, like Love-Koufas or something, then we can easily get away with Giannis in the backcourt. It would be pretty ideal as Melo and Love could both pound the offensive glass while Giannis anchors the transition D.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

I'll say this: if Phil is TOTALLY abandoning smallball he is mistaken. EVERY team needs to have the option of going small for stretches. Before Phil took over the general consensus is that Melo would be great next to a legit, defensive stretch 4. Phil and the triangle can only change that basic reality to a certain point.

[GONYK]

I'll say this: if Phil is TOTALLY abandoning smallball he is mistaken. EVERY team needs to have the option of going small for stretches. Before Phil took over the general consensus is that Melo would be great next to a legit, defensive stretch 4. Phil and the triangle can only change that basic reality to a certain point.

Who fits that bill? Serge Ibaka and...?

[mpharris36]

I'll say this: if Phil is TOTALLY abandoning smallball he is mistaken. EVERY team needs to have the option of going small for stretches. Before Phil took over the general consensus is that Melo would be great next to a legit, defensive stretch 4. Phil and the triangle can only change that basic reality to a certain point.

Who fits that bill? Serge Ibaka and...?

pretty much serge ibaka and draymond green

[swisscheeseD]

I'll say this: if Phil is TOTALLY abandoning smallball he is mistaken. EVERY team needs to have the option of going small for stretches. Before Phil took over the general consensus is that Melo would be great next to a legit, defensive stretch 4. Phil and the triangle can only change that basic reality to a certain point.

Who fits that bill? Serge Ibaka and...?

pretty much serge ibaka and draymond green

If we can somehow acquire an additional 1st later in the draft, a guy like Rondae Hollis-Jefferson could develop into that role.

[MikeYi30430]

Trade THJ and Calderon for a second rounder.

Trade the first for Video Game Dame
Sign Wes Matthews or Danny Green at the 2
DeMare Caroll at 3
Play Melo at the 4
Sign a Big at the 5. Marc Gasol is the longest shot but if the other pieces agree to come I don't see why not. Better chance than Memphis.

Then trade Langston Galloway for a first. That's a good squad with 3 all stars and two great two way players. The bench is the best players we have here now. Use the MLE on whatever you need most.


What do you think of this plan? Keep in mind Dame was injured for half the year with a hand injury. His production as of late isn't representative of his play.

[moocow007]

Vlade Divac supposedly loves Karl Towns.

[riter]

Vlade Divac supposedly loves Karl Towns.

I want to know who wants Okafor---b/c if we can land Towns I don't think Phil is trading that kid---and I would have to agree.

[Johnny Hoops]

I don't hate this.
People really underestimate the fact we sorely need a competent lead guard in this offense.
Equal opportunity, share the ball, blah-blah. We still need a guy able to improvise within and outside the principles of the triangle.
A guard. Not (just) Melo. I don't see an available one on the market that fits the mold. Not Reggie, Rondo, Middleton, etc.
I'd definitely go HARD, pause, for 'Dipo before the inevitable break out.

Yeah I agree -- while some see this as a trade of our #1 Towns straight up for #5 WCS --- it's really about finding the right type of lead guard and I think "Dipo" fits that mold.

So in this case I'm willing to sacrifice a shot at Towns to exchange him for a new starting lead guard (Dipo) and new starting center (WCS) -- both of whom could be NBA 1st team defense type players.

Just don't see Orlando making this deal but it's interesting.

I think I would strongly consider a deal like that but if this trade happen at the draft then I doubt they include/let Tobias walk. They'll likely keep him since they will need to fill out their roster and they would have passed up on getting a 3 for pairing Vucevic with Towns. They can keep Tobias or trade him when/if Gordan can really play the 3 or just let Grodan backup Tobias and Towns. That would be the smart choice.

I am not a WCS fan and unless Russell is their I am trading out the 5 spot. I would then go into swap picks/ gather assets mode. I'd definitely talk to Jordan about swapping picks and maybe Vonleh plus their second. I would then try to trade back with Boston to get 2 of their picks

I would agree on Magic probably keeping Harris if that trade went down -- I just put him in there because he's young and in my eyes a more reasonable target than say K-Leonard or J-Butler.

[Johnny Hoops]

Vlade Divac supposedly loves Karl Towns.

Vlad isn't a bad comp for what Karl may become in the NBA -- Karl will probably play bigger defensively but I could see him being an excellent passer and stand-still shooter like Vlad. Also think KAT has a lot of skills that haven't been let out of the bag yet.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

I'll say this: if Phil is TOTALLY abandoning smallball he is mistaken. EVERY team needs to have the option of going small for stretches. Before Phil took over the general consensus is that Melo would be great next to a legit, defensive stretch 4. Phil and the triangle can only change that basic reality to a certain point.

Who fits that bill? Serge Ibaka and...?

Giannis could be one if he improves his J. If not, he wouldn't fulfull the "stretch" part, but he does operate mainly from the perimeter, and with his ability to finish in traffic if he gets his momentum going, I don't think teams are just going to ignore him to pack the paint for Melo. In any event, I was more referring to the general concept of going small.

[Crunch time 1]

I would be happy with a lineup like this

Towns
Monroe
Melo
ELlis
Galloway

[Esq-4]

I am leaning Towns as my top choice, but my concern is maybe we all know to little about him as freshman on a team he didn't need to carry or log a lot of minutes. Same for everyone on Kentucky. Okafor I think will be good because of his low post prowess. So I look at them as the top 2. Muliday I really don't know much about but I read is a consensus top 4 along with Russell.

On paper per most mocks 1-2 should be KAT Ok4. Certainly I hope we get the highest pick. However, in some ways falling to 3 might be the best thing that could happen if that means those 2 are gone. What concerns me is that there are very fee impact guards in FA or that we could trade for. And off the top of my head, next year too.

[Esq-4]

I would be happy with a lineup like this

Towns
Monroe
Melo
ELlis
Galloway

I know there are issues with Ellis, but I tend to agree that getting him and Monroe as top FA signings make us a strong team now regardless who we draft. Sprinkle is some other good small signings and a good draft pick and that gives us a playoff team with a long term future (if other smart moves are made)

[swisscheeseD]

I would be happy with a lineup like this

Towns
Monroe
Melo
ELlis
Galloway

Sorry, but I wouldn't be "happy" at all with using all our cap space on Monta and Monroe. Is that a playoff team? Sure. Is it a team that can contend for a Championship? Not a chance. If we can't land any of the big fish in Free Agency, I'd rather see us use our Cap Space taking on other teams expiring contacts while acquiring additional assets to re-tool and put us in a better position for 2016 FA.

Deals like: $8 million TPE and Tim Hardaway Jr. for OJ Mayo and #17...or $15.5 million TPE and Tim Hardaway Jr for David Lee and Harrison Barnes...$6.6 million TPE for Vasquez and #20...etc.

I'd much rather see Mayo on a 1yr deal with an additional asset than Monta Ellis for the next 4yrs, or Lee on a 1yr than Monroe for 4yrs (especially if we were able to land Harrison Barnes as part of a deal).

Let's get creative, thats what flexibility allows you to do. No need to settle.

[Crunch time 1]

So Towns 20 Monroe 24 Melo 31 Ellis 29 and Galloway with Another 21 Mil to spend 2016. You don't think we can add another piece to win a chip?

[Crunch time 1]

I say with more money to spend you add talent this year. and next year add whatever is missing You can win with that team and other pieces

[FemaleDogPlease]

I would be happy with a lineup like this

Towns
Monroe
Melo
ELlis
Galloway

Sorry, but I wouldn't be "happy" at all with using all our cap space on Monta and Monroe. Is that a playoff team? Sure. Is it a team that can contend for a Championship? Not a chance. If we can't land any of the big fish in Free Agency, I'd rather see us use our Cap Space taking on other teams expiring contacts while acquiring additional assets to re-tool and put us in a better position for 2016 FA.

Deals like: $8 million TPE and Tim Hardaway Jr. for OJ Mayo and #17...or $15.5 million TPE and Tim Hardaway Jr for David Lee and Harrison Barnes...$6.6 million TPE for Vasquez and #20...etc.

I'd much rather see Mayo on a 1yr deal with an additional asset than Monta Ellis for the next 4yrs, or Lee on a 1yr than Monroe for 4yrs (especially if we were able to land Harrison Barnes as part of a deal).

Let's get creative, thats what flexibility allows you to do. No need to settle.

Knicks need guys who consistently show up. Mayo is cool but he came in out of shape and over weight for Milwaukee. Knicks don't need guys with questionable motivation to show up every night.

If it was deal of Calderon for Mayo I could see it otherwise Ellis is a better option.

[swisscheeseD]

I would be happy with a lineup like this

Towns
Monroe
Melo
ELlis
Galloway

Sorry, but I wouldn't be "happy" at all with using all our cap space on Monta and Monroe. Is that a playoff team? Sure. Is it a team that can contend for a Championship? Not a chance. If we can't land any of the big fish in Free Agency, I'd rather see us use our Cap Space taking on other teams expiring contacts while acquiring additional assets to re-tool and put us in a better position for 2016 FA.

Deals like: $8 million TPE and Tim Hardaway Jr. for OJ Mayo and #17...or $15.5 million TPE and Tim Hardaway Jr for David Lee and Harrison Barnes...$6.6 million TPE for Vasquez and #20...etc.

I'd much rather see Mayo on a 1yr deal with an additional asset than Monta Ellis for the next 4yrs, or Lee on a 1yr than Monroe for 4yrs (especially if we were able to land Harrison Barnes as part of a deal).

Let's get creative, thats what flexibility allows you to do. No need to settle.

Knicks need guys who consistently show up. Mayo is cool but he came in out of shape and over weight for Milwaukee. Knicks don't need guys with questionable motivation to show up every night.

If it was deal of Calderon for Mayo I could see it otherwise Ellis is a better option.

If you are dealing Calderon for Mayo, WE are the one's who would have to include the additional asset since Calderon's contract goes longer. And of course Ellis is a better option then Mayo, but what I said was I'd rather Mayo on a 1yr deal (while acquiring an additional asset), rather than Monta Ellis on a 4yr deal tying up our cap. Simple as that.

There is no reason to tie up our Cap Space in players who aren't putting us into the top echelon of the East. I don't want to settle for 2nd Round exits. And if Melo has a problem with that, he can go scratch his ass and find a team who he is willing to go to that will pony up enough assets and future flexibility for us to go full re-build.