Feschuk: Masai contemplating a step back next year, Lowry trade

GreatDane · Post #21 » by **GreatDane** » Wed May 13, 2015 9:05 pm

I would put more stock in Casey leading this team to 48 and 49 win seasons had the Atlantic divison not been utter crap the last two seasons and to a lesser extent, the conference as a whole.

kplooksafterme · Post #22 » by **kplooksafterme** » Wed May 13, 2015 9:06 pm

A lot of writers are all-in on the idea that Casey is a good coach because he got some regular-season success out of a 'deeply flawed roster', without providing any evidence that it was Casey's coaching that lifted the squad. It could easily be the other way around, given that Casey had zero success with the organization until the roster was changed half-way through last season.

The roster obviously has problems, and the talent level is too low to go deep in the playoffs. But things like running iso-ball offence on nearly every possession, letting Lou jack end-of-quarter shots all-season at around a 20% success rate, and being unable to get your team playing basic pick and roll defence (or any type of defence for that matter) are all evidence that coaching was a huge problem with this team.

Wo1verine · Post #23 » by **Wo1verine** » Wed May 13, 2015 9:06 pm

I rather us tank and build a better foundation over trying to sign guys like Thompson or Middleton etc that may or may not get us past first round.

When it comes to this franchise no doubt about it the best way to reach contender status is to draft well and get the best talent possible which comes with top picks.

Trades are difficult to pull off for great players as they rarely become available and we aren't signing anyone worth the damn ever in free agency.

Having said all that - I doubt Masai would have the balls and actually tank when we are hosting a meaningless all-star game like other teams fans or players give a crap what our record is while hosting the said event.

Post #24 » by **Geddy** » Wed May 13, 2015 9:06 pm

Keeping Casey makes sense if you are going to rebuild. Why bring in a new guy only to have him tank

Wo1verine · Post #25 » by **Wo1verine** » Wed May 13, 2015 9:09 pm

Geddy wrote:Keeping Casey makes sense if you are going to rebuild. Why bring in a new guy only to have him tank

If you're going to keep Casey to tank, we better make sure no veterans are on the team.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #26 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Wed May 13, 2015 9:10 pm

Wo1verine wrote:
Geddy wrote:Keeping Casey makes sense if you are going to rebuild. Why bring in a new guy only to have him tank

If you're going to keep Casey to tank, we better make sure no veterans are on the team.

Or Ben Uzoh.

Hackett · Post #27 » by **Hackett** » Wed May 13, 2015 9:11 pm

This is the moment where Lowry has to pick up the phone and pull an Allan Iverson. Call Casey, call Masai and beg grovel and convince them that this coming year is going to be different. Clock is ticking.... and I don't know if Lowry has the brains to do that.

This is why learning history is important... oldskool always wins.

LLJ · Post #28 » by **LLJ** » Wed May 13, 2015 9:12 pm

Casey is actually a disastrous coach to keep if you want to tank. The problem is that he's a GOOD regular season coach. He's just a lousy playoff coach.

Hackett · Post #29 » by **Hackett** » Wed May 13, 2015 9:13 pm

LLJ wrote:Casey is actually a disastrous coach to keep if you want to tank. The problem is that he's a GOOD regular season coach. He's just a lousy playoff coach.

That is not what you guys said in the regular season. He is good, he is bad, even I am confused now.

LLJ · Post #30 » by **LLJ** » Wed May 13, 2015 9:19 pm

Hackett wrote:
LLJ wrote:Casey is actually a disastrous coach to keep if you want to tank. The problem is that he's a GOOD regular season coach. He's just a lousy playoff coach.

That is not what you guys said in the regular season.

Even when we were bad in his first 2 years here, we weren't bad enough. He knows how to add a few extra wins to get us out of a top 5 pick.

Being a tactician is less important in the regular season than in the playoffs. Casey's strength has always been motivation over 82 games, but his weakness was in game tactics. In the playoffs his strengths are basically useless (nobody needs motivation in the playoffs) and his weaknesses magnified.

Plus, you could also say he failed to motivate in the playoffs in our sweep.

mappiah19 · Post #31 » by **mappiah19** » Wed May 13, 2015 9:19 pm

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:
Wo1verine wrote:
Geddy wrote:Keeping Casey makes sense if you are going to rebuild. Why bring in a new guy only to have him tank

If you're going to keep Casey to tank, we better make sure no veterans are on the team.

Or Ben Uzoh.

Or Alan Anderson

Kevin Willis · Post #32 » by **Kevin Willis** » Wed May 13, 2015 9:19 pm

Big Shot wrote:
Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:The stench of Feschuk confirms it for me: Lowry's gone.

Once Masai decided to bring back Casey, you don't need anyone to confirm that Lowry's gone.

Good point but who's going to take him? How many teams has he played on so far?

Houston, Toronto, Memphis. All three are organizations that are accepting of eccentric attitudes. Where can he go - Dallas? Randy will make him cry. Lakers? Same situation with Rondo - who's going to want him?

Northface82 · Post #33 » by **Northface82** » Wed May 13, 2015 9:21 pm

___/____
Ross/___
JJ/Bruno/Daniels
Patterson/____
JV/Bebe

^^ Is what I would look to start next season.
Deal DD and Lowry and Vasquez for picks + filler.
Amir/Fields/Chuck walk.

Add onto our 2016 assets and aim for a big splash via draft and FA acquisition in 2016.

Meanwhile, let the damn young players play full minutes and see what we truly have.
Oh and I think P Patt deserves starter minutes. Kentucky all day.

Northface82 · Post #34 » by **Northface82** » Wed May 13, 2015 9:22 pm

Hold on...

Casey is not the Coach to tank guys.
He's simply not bad enough, nor good enough to win games on a contending level.
Not sure how I feel about this at all...

Potential · Post #35 » by **Potential** » Wed May 13, 2015 9:27 pm

It all starts with tanking.

Who's our best player and what'd we do to get him? DeMar, Tank

TOR: tanked drafted demar, jv, which is the only 2 players in their lineup they want to keep
GSW: contender because tanked and drafted curry, thompson
MEM: tanked and drafted pau, traded for marc, drafted conley
CAVS: tanked drafted LBJ
LAC tanked drafted blake, deandre (cp3 wouldnt have been traded there if not for blake)
WAS: tanked drafted beal, wall
MIA: tanked drafted wade
CHI: idk they were mediocre team and then got lucky in the lottery + great drafting (jimmy)
ORL: tanked drafted oladipo + more is coming
MIN: tanked drafted love led to wiggins
OKC: tanked drafted kd, russ, ibaka
NOP: tanked drafted AD

It all starts with tanking.

Spoiler:

ImChillin01 · Post #36 » by **ImChillin01** » Wed May 13, 2015 9:28 pm

Tanking is stupid at this point, 76ers and Celtics are far away ahead of the rebuild. Gotta go for win while Atlantic division is weak.

Truthrising · Post #37 » by **Truthrising** » Wed May 13, 2015 9:28 pm

My apologies I read the title wrong. If were keeping Casey to tank and rebuild and
Also trade Lowry for picks/prospects then I'm ok with Masai's decision.

I honestly thought that masai's keeping Casey cause he wants to compete for the playoffs again next yr.. My bad.

In Masai We Trust.

TDotsfinest97 · Post #38 » by **TDotsfinest97** » Wed May 13, 2015 9:28 pm

C_Money wrote:We don't need to tank FFS. Just get a few bigs who can rebound, and get a legit SF to replace Ross and we're getting to the 2nd round next year.

masai would've done it already if it was that easy. it's time to tank properly not getting some iso chcuker and softies in the lottery, time to get a legit superstar.

TDotsfinest97 · Post #39 » by **TDotsfinest97** » Wed May 13, 2015 9:30 pm

Northface82 wrote:Hold on...

Casey is not the Coach to tank guys.
He's simply not bad enough, nor good enough to win games on a contending level.
Not sure how I feel about this at all...

sounds familiar... this franchise just never changes, always stuck in no man's land

Danny1616 · Post #40 » by **Danny1616** » Wed May 13, 2015 9:31 pm

I stopped listening when Feschuk said "the coaches would have never selected Lowry to the all-star game".

Is this guy kidding me? Lowry was a top 6-7 MVP candidate before all-star break, leading the Raptors to 2nd place without Demar Doerzan.

Fair enough to criticize his post all-star play, but doesn't sound like Feschuk has a very good memory. Why doesn't he focus on what did happen in the second half of the season - Casey allowed Lou, GV and Derozan to shoot like crazy from the outside, limited JV's play and benched JJ randomly regardless of his play. Those are the issues that need to be addressed in addition to Lowry's play.