FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread

[HarthorneWingo]

Harris isn't taller than Anthony. He's basically a younger lesser version of Anthony. There's really not much of a reason to use the amount of money it will take to sign him to get a backup for Anthony or as an Anthony replacement 3 years from now. You really can't start them both at the forward positions IMO. Harris doesn't shoot well from outside, is not a good passer at all and he had a tendency to black hole the ball once it gets into his hands.

I'd be curious to know whether this article changes your opinion on Harris. It's pretty interesting sabermetric analysis of Harris and why he may be a good fit for us as a hybrid forward (or Versatile Forward) playing alongside Carmelo.

http://www.basketballanalyticsbook.com

I read that last tinge you posted it

its a very good article and very entertaining but its not so relevant to us

Melo is better in every way than Harris so we actually have that stretch 4 or VF - versatile forward - that this article talks about

If Harris were a UFA and we could get him for 7 mil then OK, Id be interested
But as a RFA hes gonna cost upwards of 10mil and thats too much

We'd be better off going after Deng {10mil} who is also a VF, or even Ryan Anderson {8.5 mil} or someone like that for cheaper

Im to sold on Harris because of his deficiencies on D, his focus and his contract status

Wow, I don't remember posting this before. It's bad enough having to read my posts once.

[NoLayupRule]

Wow, I don't remember posting this before. It's bad enough having to read my posts once.

oh, I thought it was you

perhaps someone else

[HarthorneWingo]

And saber heads here familiar with VORP ratings? VORP stands for "value over replacement player" which sounds something like WAR in baseball. I just stumbled upon this site which rates players throughout the league based on this year's stats.

http://www.buildingbetterball.com/player-value/

[NoLayupRule]

And saber heads here familiar with VORP ratings? VORP stands for "value over replacement player" which sounds something like WAR in baseball. I just stumbled upon this site which rates players throughout the league based on this year's stats.

http://www.buildingbetterball.com/player-value/

Im not sure what to make of stats like these

is Melo slightly better or more valuable than David Lee? Really?
Slightly less than Brook Lopez? Really?

[ozwizard8]

i like t.harris even his game looks so similar to melo i would love to see him in knicks uniform.
right now his stock is low. he's underrated. giving him only 7m/year ?
look at those max contracts of c.parsons, g.hayward.. some people want to sign d.carroll at 10m/year contract.

at least he deserves contract with starting 10m/pear year.

his defense is good. he can play both 3-4 position.
his offense is also good. he'll provide some atleticism, post game and spacing.

Orlando squad doesnt help him to grow. It contains so many players who can shoot 3pt or even mid range.
peyton, oladipo, vucevic didnt provided spacing for t.harris to oparate.
his game is similar to melo so he needs some shooters around to increase his efficieny. anyway his offense was good so i think he'll get better with knicks.

he'll make his big jump soon. we could expect him to be d.granger/w.chandler type player. so 10m/year contract with 2017 cap would be bargain for him. if we can get m.gasol/lma type stars forget t.harris. draymond green would be fit too.

galloway(shved)
wes matthews(or j.butler?)
t.harris
melo
k.towns(mle backup center)

its a start we can sign another FA in 2016 with increasing cap..

[Esq-4]

Is it a lock that our pick starts? Drafting a freshman big man he might need to develop. Same for a guard too. Sure it is the long term plan, but say we get KAT, he is gonna go from 20 something per game in college with a star studded team to, well, NYK. A priority should also be a vet big to rotate. Again, same for any other pick.

I just want to make sure our pick gets a fair shake and reasonable expectation.

[Esq-4]

i like t.harris even his game looks so similar to melo i would love to see him in knicks uniform.
right now his stock is low. he's underrated. giving him only 7m/year ?
look at those max contracts of c.parsons, g.hayward.. some people want to sign d.carroll at 10m/year contract.

at least he deserves contract with starting 10m/pear year.

his defense is good. he can play both 3-4 position.
his offense is also good. he'll provide some atleticism, post game and spacing.

Orlando squad doesnt help him to grow. It contains so many players who can shoot 3pt or even mid range.
peyton, oladipo, vucevic didnt provided spacing for t.harris to oparate.
his game is similar to melo so he needs some shooters around to increase his efficieny. anyway his offense was good so i think he'll get better with knicks.

he'll make his big jump soon. we could expect him to be d.granger/w.chandler type player. so 10m/year contract with 2017 cap would be bargain for him. if we can get m.gasol/lma type stars forget t.harris. draymond green would be fit too.

galloway(shved)
wes matthews(or j.butler?)
t.harris
melo
k.towns(mle backup center)

its a start we can sign another FA in 2016 with increasing cap..

I like Harris too and am not worried about a redundancy with Melo. You make it work. But I don't think any RFA are coming on reasonable deals. Same goes for Butler in your post.

[malik959]

Question, I haven't seen much of Tobias Harris other than highlights in-which he reminds me of a taller Melo. what are his positives and negatives, and what could he bring to the table in a triangle offense? Does he play Defense?

Harris isn't taller than Anthony. He's basically a younger lesser version of Anthony. There's really not much of a reason to use the amount of money it will take to sign him to get a backup for Anthony or as an Anthony replacement 3 years from now. You really can't start them both at the forward positions IMO. Harris doesn't shoot well from outside, is not a good passer at all and he had a tendency to black hole the ball once it gets into his hands.

I don't know Moo - Harris is only 22 and he's very talented.

I don't get the argument that you can't play Melo and Harris together -- why NOT? Heck we won 54 games with Melo at the 4 and guys like Shump/JR playing time at the 3. I know Phil appears to want to play bigger but I see no reason why Melo/Harris couldn't function very well most nights at the 3/4.

I think Harris has a game that will fit the triangle pretty well -- he moves better than Melo off the ball and he has the ability to both knock down perimeter shots and get to the basket off the dribble. He's not perfect but I don't see where he couldn't play both when Melo is on the floor and when Melo is resting.

So as far as his defense, who is he compared to? Because if we ran a lineup of:

Galo
Green or Middleton
Melo
Harris
Towns

Would we get destroyed, or is this a playoff team in the making?

[malik959]

I'd be curious to know whether this article changes your opinion on Harris. It's pretty interesting sabermetric analysis of Harris and why he may be a good fit for us as a hybrid forward (or Versatile Forward) playing alongside Carmelo.

http://www.basketballanalyticsbook.com

I read that last tinge you posted it

its a very good article and very entertaining but its not so relevant to us

Melo is better in every way than Harris so we actually have that stretch 4 or VF - versatile forward - that this article talks about

If Harris were a UFA and we could get him for 7 mil then OK, Id be interested
But as a RFA hes gonna cost upwards of 10mil and thats too much

We'd be better off going after Deng {10mil} who is also a VF, or even Ryan Anderson {8.5 mil} or someone like that for cheaper

Im to sold on Harris because of his deficiencies on D, his focus and his contract status

Wow, I don't remember posting this before. It's bad enough having to read my posts once.

I'm not worried about who the better player, I'm more worried about fit, ball movement, spreading the floor, easing the double team pressure off of Melo, and good defense. Looking at this article it shows that he's the type of player that is needed on our team A versatile PF or like the said VF. But you did bring up a valid point in reference to his contract, we would have to over pay to get him. He has to say to the Magic I don't Want You!

Galo/ Shved
Green or Middleton/ THJ
Harris/ Early
Melo/ Barg
Lopez/Towns

Good ballance

[malik959]

And saber heads here familiar with VORP ratings? VORP stands for "value over replacement player" which sounds something like WAR in baseball. I just stumbled upon this site which rates players throughout the league based on this year's stats.

http://www.buildingbetterball.com/player-value/

Stopped reading when it ranked Raymond Felton higher than Kevin Love Lmaooooo1

[iLovethosedamnknicks]

Harris isn't taller than Anthony. He's basically a younger lesser version of Anthony. There's really not much of a reason to use the amount of money it will take to sign him to get a backup for Anthony or as an Anthony replacement 3 years from now. You really can't start them both at the forward positions IMO. Harris doesn't shoot well from outside, is not a good passer at all and he had a tendency to black hole the ball once it gets into his hands.

I don't know Moo - Harris is only 22 and he's very talented.

I don't get the argument that you can't play Melo and Harris together -- why NOT? Heck we won 54 games with Melo at the 4 and guys like Shump/JR playing time at the 3. I know Phil appears to want to play bigger but I see no reason why Melo/Harris couldn't function very well most nights at the 3/4.

I think Harris has a game that will fit the triangle pretty well -- he moves better than Melo off the ball and he has the ability to both knock down perimeter shots and get to the basket off the dribble. He's not perfect but I don't see where he couldn't play both when Melo is on the floor and when Melo is resting.

So as far as his defense, who is he compared to? Because if we ran a lineup of:

Galo
Green or Middleton
Melo
Harris
Towns

Would we get destroyed, or is this a playoff team in the making?

We would get destroyed in the playoffs and by the time towns developed (if he does) melo will be done


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[HarthorneWingo]

And saber heads here familiar with VORP ratings? VORP stands for "value over replacement player" which sounds something like WAR in baseball. I just stumbled upon this site which rates players throughout the league based on this year's stats.

http://www.buildingbetterball.com/player-value/

Stopped reading when it ranked Raymond Felton higher than Kevin Love Lmaooooo1

Yeah, there was certainly some weird **** in there. That being one.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Is it a lock that our pick starts? Drafting a freshman big man he might need to develop. Same for a guard too. Sure it is the long term plan, but say we get KAT, he is gonna go from 20 something per game in college with a star studded team to, well, NYK. A priority should also be a vet big to rotate. Again, same for any other pick.

I just want to make sure our pick gets a fair shake and reasonable expectation.

I hear you.
But considering we only have one surefire starter under contract in
(fresh off surgery) Melo, I would hope we draft someone that will start right away.
We aren't drafting at 14 or 20.
We are drafting top 5 in what most consider is a quality draft.
I would say Kat or Okafor start from day one.
Mudiay or Russell should also start but I can see Fish (Phil) making the decision to start
Jose or even Gallo over them a la Eddie Jones caretaking the position until Kobe was ready in LA.
But truth be told, we don't have the vets blocking these guys' development.
Maybe they won't be ready for featured roles straight out the gate but there's no reason to believe
we aren't penciling in whomever we pick into our barren starting lineup from day one.

[malik959]

I don't know Moo - Harris is only 22 and he's very talented.

I don't get the argument that you can't play Melo and Harris together -- why NOT? Heck we won 54 games with Melo at the 4 and guys like Shump/JR playing time at the 3. I know Phil appears to want to play bigger but I see no reason why Melo/Harris couldn't function very well most nights at the 3/4.

I think Harris has a game that will fit the triangle pretty well -- he moves better than Melo off the ball and he has the ability to both knock down perimeter shots and get to the basket off the dribble. He's not perfect but I don't see where he couldn't play both when Melo is on the floor and when Melo is resting.

So as far as his defense, who is he compared to? Because if we ran a lineup of:

Galo
Green or Middleton
Melo
Harris
Towns

Would we get destroyed, or is this a playoff team in the making?

We would get destroyed in the playoffs and by the time towns developed (if he does) melo will be done


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Actually that squad could hold it's own, We would have to have a good bench to balance out and of course Towns we be part of the bench. we don't need to spend all our money on one superstar, breaking it down and picking up 1) players that want to be here because of the love for NY (not for the money), 2) two way players, 3) team players. Picking up Lopez, Green, and possibly Harris is a pretty solid off-season

[Johnny Hoops]

Harris isn't taller than Anthony. He's basically a younger lesser version of Anthony. There's really not much of a reason to use the amount of money it will take to sign him to get a backup for Anthony or as an Anthony replacement 3 years from now. You really can't start them both at the forward positions IMO. Harris doesn't shoot well from outside, is not a good passer at all and he had a tendency to black hole the ball once it gets into his hands.

I don't know Moo - Harris is only 22 and he's very talented.

I don't get the argument that you can't play Melo and Harris together -- why NOT? Heck we won 54 games with Melo at the 4 and guys like Shump/JR playing time at the 3. I know Phil appears to want to play bigger but I see no reason why Melo/Harris couldn't function very well most nights at the 3/4.

I think Harris has a game that will fit the triangle pretty well -- he moves better than Melo off the ball and he has the ability to both knock down perimeter shots and get to the basket off the dribble. He's not perfect but I don't see where he couldn't play both when Melo is on the floor and when Melo is resting.

So as far as his defense, who is he compared to? Because if we ran a lineup of:

Galo
Green or Middleton
Melo
Harris
Towns

Would we get destroyed, or is this a playoff team in the making?

Well we'd probably have issues with interior defense and rebounding. I would anticipate that Towns would play limited minutes and then the ? becomes who is your back-up center and back-up PF.

In the event we got Towns in the draft I think a guy like Monroe works best because he can both play next to Towns when Towns is on the floor and also shift to center when Towns goes to the bench. Then Harris becomes a Lamar Odom type - where he fits in multiple roles.

So you could start say... Calderon/Galloway/Melo/Monroe/Towns.

Then Towns goes to the bench, Monroe moves to center & Harris comes in as PF.

A few minutes later Towns is back and Melo sits -- Towns is at C, Monroe PF and Harris moves to SF.

Not sure if that is ideal but if we get Towns -- I think Monroe becomes a very big target because the 2 compliment each other very well. Would there be better fits than Harris? Sure -- maybe guys like W-Mathews, D-Green but a big reason I like Harris is his AGE (22) and his versatility. If we get Towns (20), Monroe (24), Harris (22) -- we just added 3 legit talented players all under 25.

This may not give us a championship but it puts us in a position to grow longer term rather than going all in and being old in 2 years.

[MikeYi30430]

I would be happy with a lineup like this

Towns
Monroe
Melo
ELlis
Galloway

Why? That's barely a playoff team.

[MikeYi30430]

Trade THJ and Calderon for a second rounder.

Trade the first for Video Game Dame
Sign Wes Matthews or Danny Green at the 2
DeMare Caroll at 3
Play Melo at the 4
Sign a Big at the 5. Marc Gasol is the longest shot but if the other pieces agree to come I don't see why not. Better chance than Memphis.

Then trade Langston Galloway for a first. That's a good squad with 3 all stars and two great two way players. The bench is the best players we have here now. Use the MLE on whatever you need most.


What do you think of this plan? Keep in mind Dame was injured for half the year with a hand injury. His production as of late isn't representative of his play.

No love for this plan? I think we'd be top 3 in the east with this.

[Crunch time 1]

So you think Ellis Melo and Monroe will not win 50 games in the east ? Really?

[Bravenewworld]

NYK just needs to stay away from FA this off season.
Ditch Melo.. maybe try to get the Lakers to take Melo for their two first rounders and ehh.. the Kentucky guy they drafted.
Spend this year developing a roster of young talented player, draft another lottery pick, and then fill out the roster with free agents.

It's more likely that the Knicks field 5 unicorns in the starting lineup next season than any of this happening.

Oh yah, i completely agree. The Knicks have this history (at least recently, in the modern era) of not doing whats best for their franchise.

[Bravenewworld]

So you think Ellis Melo and Monroe will not win 50 games in the east ? Really?

1. I dont think Monroe is going anywhere.
2. I think you might be underestimating the improving teams of the East.
3. I think you might be overestimating Monta and Melo combo.

BUT, pretending that trio existed with the current eastern teams and the improvements others will most likely see next season, id actually say right below 50, like 47 or 48.