Draft Thread: Who do you want with the 13th pick? Stanley Johnson and WCS added..change votes if you want

[Fo-Real]

What if the suns intend on trading either Bled or Knight... and Archie isnt a pg, that experiment should stop.

[NavLDO]

It's funny that everyone thinks we have bottom 5 or 10 in talent yet expect Hornacek to get us into the playoffs in arguably the toughest west ever.

We just gotta hope we keep adding talent/assets, are able to pull off a good trade or free agent signing, nail our draft pick, and hope, that even if our team isn't playoff caliber, that it is an enjoyable young team to watch that we can be excited about and a group that we can see growing together and becoming playoff caliber and hopefully are able to contend some day. Some teams don't get that really high pick and just make a nice signing or two, make some good draft picks, and suddenly compete (Memphis, by signing Randolph, Gasol growing into the player he is today, and Conley gradually becoming a stud, and then Indiana making a great pick in Paul George, a trade for George Hill (of course they gave away Leonard though), and then a good signing in David West...and the emergence of Lance Stephenson last year). Unfortunately I remember hoping we would sign Randolph and then West, back in the day when we still had Nash and lost Amare. But we were focused on Childress and Warrick and Turk to get us back to glory.

There are multiple ways.....not all stars were high draft picks. Karl Malone was the 13th pick.

Just because a superstar falls out of the top 5 once in a blue moon, shouldn’t mean the Suns are justified being a middle of the pack team, who picks with the #13 and #14 picks year in and year out. Rarely do stars fall out of the top 5.

The Suns are in the worse place you can be. They are not bad enough to get a top pick and have a chance to draft a game changer, yet they lack the talent to even compete for a playoff spot. I keep hearing certain Suns fan claim the draft is a crapshoot, so fans should be happy that we remain “competitive” and wait for a trade. Too bad the Suns don’t have any real assets to trade for a disgruntled star. No team is giving up an all-star talent for a selection of Len, Warren, Goodwin, and a bunch of mid to late 1st round picks.

Bottom line, the Suns need a star to build around. We are not doing ourselves any favors by constantly drafting in the middle of the draft or giving up a possible #6 pick for the right to overpay another combo guard. I think deep down all that Robert Sarver, and some fans want to do is, find the next Aaron Brooks or Nate Robinson, year after year. That is, find a cheap combo guard who can overachieve one year and sneak the team into the 8th seed, even if there is no sustainability.

And lets stop with this "all the negativity is driving good posters away" bull. Most of the people that do not post on here are bandwagon fans that loved to drink the Kool-aide, but now that Kool-Aid is hard to choke down, no matter how much Lon Babby and this front office insist otherwise.

Well personally I don't drink the FO Kool Aide after the fiasco this past year. But I'm not going to whine like a little kid repeatedly either.

I was hoping for a high pick and Wiggins or something before last year happened. But I don't want to follow your plan and trade Len, Warren, Bledsoe and everyone that is any good for bad players so we can be bad and hope we can get lucky in the lottery and hope there is a superstar there that can redefine the Suns on his own.

Philly has that plan and they have an out of shape Embiid and a mediocre Noel along with perhaps a guy like Mudiay who may or may not be good....then Saric who may or may not be a good nba player.

We had a crap team and a great chance at a high pick one year and got the 2nd pick and Armen Gilliam while the Spurs got David Robinson. Luckily we later traded for KJ from that draft, but just having a high pick doesn't guarantee you anything.

It's not necessarily once in a blue moon that good players get drafted....some of the best players in the league were drafted outside of the top 5. Curry was like the 7th pick. Kawhi Leonard was a mid round pick. Paul George was the 13th pick. We picked Amare, Marion and Nash well outside of the top 5. You would also have a pretty big list if you looked over all top 5 picks and saw how many didn't do anything.

Larry Bird was the 6th pick.

There are also these guys:

. Dirk Nowitzki, Milwaukee Bucks, 1998
The only NBA MVP (and the greatest European player ever?) in this group easily earns the honor for greatest No. 9 selection all time although the last 10 years has seen its share of All-Stars – Tracy McGrady (’97), Shawn Marion (’99) and Amare Stoudemire (’02) ….Notables at this spot include Celtic great Jo Jo White, Reggie Theus (’78), Rolando Blackman (’81), Dale Ellis (’83), Charles Oakley (’85) while also boasting its share of do-overs ---Larry Demic, Ed O’Bannon, Rodney White, Michael Sweetney …
Draft Fact: All-Star Selections = 35; HOF = 0

10. Paul Westphal, Boston Celtics, 1972
This comes down to the simple question: who’s a better player: Paul Westphal or Paul Pierce? I’m going with Westphal for now and may change my mind based on what Pierce does the remainder of his career …Westphal was a better shooter from the field (50 vs. 44) and (barely) from the line (82 vs. .79) although not as prolific as a scorer (12,809 vs. 15,375 and counting) as Pierce but Westphal was a member of nine playoff teams and did the “Sunderella Suns” to the 1976 Finals, so that’s counts for something and there you have the difference ….Other notables (and there aren’t too many) include Jeff Malone, Horace Grant, Joe Johnson, Caron

11. Reggie Miller, Indiana Pacers, 1987
Robert Horry may have seven rings but everyone is taking a backseat to Reggie Miller and his 25,279 career points (14th all time) …Miller Time in Indy lasted for 18 seasons (still hard to believe Pacer fans booed this selection when the team didn’t nab Hoosier favorite Steve Alford) …Notables out of this spot include Jamaal Wilkes, Fat Lever, Derek Harper and was the pick of future GMs in Ernie Grunfeld and Kiki Vandeweghe ……Kevin Willis was selected in 1984 and he’s still playing ….this is also the spot where Fran Vazquez was taken in 2005. Haven’t seen him? Neither have the Magic …
Draft Fact: All-Star Selections = 20; HOF = 0

13. Karl Malone, Utah Jazz, 1985
The greatest power forward of all time and the greatest No. 13 selection of all time ….No doubt, we will revisit this list in a few years based on what Kobe does, who by the way remains the greatest player in NBA history to never have won an NBA MVP ….Malone, the No. 2 scorer of all time, has only his former teammate to worry about in possibly dethroning him because it certainly isn’t going to be Bob Bigelow (’75), Dudley Bradley (’79), Danny Schayes (’81), Joe Wolf (’87), Terry Dehere (’93) or Keon Clark (’98) ….Notables include (and it’s not many), Sleepy Floyd (’82) and Corey Maggette (’99)
Draft Fact: All-Star Selections =24; HOF =0 (note: Mailman and Kobe are locks)

14. Clyde Drexler, Portland Trail Blazers, 1983
You must be pretty good when the Blazers pass on the golden opportunity to draft Michael Jordan …Drexler, one of the best passers in NBA history from the big guard position, glided to 22,195 points and was one of only three players in league history to top 20,000 points, 6,000 rebounds and 3,000 assists …Who are other strong candidates at the 14 spot – Maurice Lucas (’74 drafted by the Bulls but played in the ABA before joining Portland), Tim Hardaway (’89), Dan Majerle (’88), Peja Stojakovic (’96) and Michael Cage (’84) …
Draft Fact: All-Star Selections = 25; HOF = 1

15. Steve Nash, Phoenix Suns, 1996
Did anyone ever think that when the Suns drafted little known Stevie Nash that he would later win back-to-back NBA MVPs and finish runner-up for a third? Had he won No. 3, he would have joined Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain and Larry Bird, who by the way finished runner-up in the MVP race twice following his three consecutive wins …Clearly the Class of No. 15, no one selected in this spot is even worthy of being mentioned with this future Hall of Famer
Draft Fact: All-Star Selections = 7; HOF = 0 (note: Nash is a lock)

16. John Stockton, Utah Jazz, 1984
Similar to Nash (or is it the other way around?), no one could have predicted that John Stockton out of tiny Gonzaga would become the NBA’s all-time assists and steals king … Two future Hall of Famers chosen at point with the No. 15 and 16 picks (listen up Detroit and Washington) …..Who else was selected in this spot that has made some noise in the NBA? Ron Artest (’99) and that’s about it ….
Draft Fact: All-Star Selections = 15; HOF = 0 (note: John Stockton is a no brainer)

17. Shawn Kemp, Seattle SuperSonics, 1989
Shawn Kemp, Jermaine O’Neal, Josh Smith …notice a pattern, here? This spot has a penchant for being home to high school players ….While O’Neal’s career is far from over, the nod is going to the Reign Man, who played a key role in leading the Sonics to the Finals, was a six-time All-Star (five with Sonics, one with Cavs) and threw down the most thunderous dunks this side of Dominique Wilkins ….Not to be overlooked is Larry Drew (’80) and a forward out of North Dakota named Phil Jackson (’67)
Draft Fact: All-Star Selections = 16; HOF = 0

18. Joe Dumars, Detroit Pistons, 1985
Was it any coincidence that after the Pistons drafted Joe D. out of McNeese State that they would go on to make three Finals appearances in the next six years? Dumars was one of the key cogs in the Pistons machine that went on to win back-to-back titles while the Shreveport, La., native won Finals MVP honors in '89 ...A leader by example, Dumars was a standout defender who took the lead in defending Michael Jordan in Detroit's vaulted Jordan Rules....According to MJ, no one gave him more fits on the defensive end than Joe D ....the ultimate sportsman, the NBA named its sportsmanship award after Dumars ... Mark Action Jackson won NBA Rookie of the Year honors in 1989-90 and retired as the No. 2 all-time leader in assists behind John Stockton. That’s right, he’s ahead of Magic, Oscar and Isiah …Not bad for the 18th overall pick …This pick is definintely representin’ with Calvin Murphy (’70) joining Dumars as the only Hall of Famers in this group and let's not forget about Ricky Pierce (’82) and his 14,467 points …
Draft Fact: All-Star Selections = 10; HOF = 2

No idea what you are getting at bwgood. It's well known and a foregone conclusion that drafting in the top 5 assures your team getting a superstar/franchise-saving player. Just look at the examples from the past 10 years!

2013--Bennett and Zeller
2012--Waiters and Robinson
2011--Williams, Thompson, and Valanciunas
2010--Evan Turner and Wes Johnson
2009--Thabeet and Rubio
2008--Beasley and Mayo
2007--Oden
2006--Adam Morrison, Tyrus Thomas, and Shelden Williams
2005--Marvin Williams and Felton
2004--Shaun Livingston and Devin Harris

While these scrubs from the same drafts are what were left for the other 25 teams:

2013--Giannis and Gobert
2012--Drummond and Wroten
2011--Biyombo, Klay Thompson, Leonard, and Butler
2010--Heyward, George, and Bledsoe
2009--Jrue, Teague, and Lawson
2008--B. Lopez, Hibbert, Ibaka, Batum, Dragic, DeAndre Jordan, and Ryan Anderson
2007--Noah and M. Gasol
2006--Gay, Rondo, and Lowry
2005--Bynum, Granger, and David Lee
2004--Deng and Al Jefferson

I mean, how can we Suns fans expect that we might find a decent talent at 13 or 14 that will help our team. Understanding, of course, that Warren didn't get much burn this season, but we can already tell he's going to be a middling talent for us. Whereas Alex Len has already proven, being drafted 5th, that he's the best Center in the league from the '13 draft...oh wait, he was outplayed by Gobert so far in their young careers? No, you must be mistaken; that's impossible! Because Gobert was drafted 27th. And not to mention that Adams, Noel, and Dieng have all played pretty darn well also, but the sheer fact that Len was drafted in the top 5, again, ensures he'll be better than all of those guys, because, that's how it works.

And rather than highlight the entire post in Green, let's just assume a good portion of this post is highlighted in Green, shall we...

[Fo-Real]

Long bouts of sarcasim is what has driven lots of posters to not want to. I agree with your post compleetly, but all this overkill for the sake of compiling info to prove points is just playing the "being pissy back " game that seems more prevelent lately. I agree you can get a contributor later and a bust earlier... those facts have proven themselves throughout the history of the draft.

[NavLDO]

Long bouts of sarcasim is what has driven lots of posters to not want to. I agree with your post compleetly, but all this overkill for the sake of compiling info to prove points is just playing the "being pissy back " game that seems more prevelent lately. I agree you can get a contributor later and a bust earlier... those facts have proven themselves throughout the history of the draft.

You are right, but it seems that even when presenting 'non-sarcastic' viewpoints, opposing viewpoints refuse to listen to common sense. But I'll attempt to refrain from overly sarcastic posts in the future, because along with what you said, it just puts a negative 'vibe' on the post that's not necessary to get a point across.

[bwgood77]

Spoiler:

Just because a superstar falls out of the top 5 once in a blue moon, shouldn’t mean the Suns are justified being a middle of the pack team, who picks with the #13 and #14 picks year in and year out. Rarely do stars fall out of the top 5.

The Suns are in the worse place you can be. They are not bad enough to get a top pick and have a chance to draft a game changer, yet they lack the talent to even compete for a playoff spot. I keep hearing certain Suns fan claim the draft is a crapshoot, so fans should be happy that we remain “competitive” and wait for a trade. Too bad the Suns don’t have any real assets to trade for a disgruntled star. No team is giving up an all-star talent for a selection of Len, Warren, Goodwin, and a bunch of mid to late 1st round picks.

Bottom line, the Suns need a star to build around. We are not doing ourselves any favors by constantly drafting in the middle of the draft or giving up a possible #6 pick for the right to overpay another combo guard. I think deep down all that Robert Sarver, and some fans want to do is, find the next Aaron Brooks or Nate Robinson, year after year. That is, find a cheap combo guard who can overachieve one year and sneak the team into the 8th seed, even if there is no sustainability.

And lets stop with this "all the negativity is driving good posters away" bull. Most of the people that do not post on here are bandwagon fans that loved to drink the Kool-aide, but now that Kool-Aid is hard to choke down, no matter how much Lon Babby and this front office insist otherwise.

Well personally I don't drink the FO Kool Aide after the fiasco this past year. But I'm not going to whine like a little kid repeatedly either.

I was hoping for a high pick and Wiggins or something before last year happened. But I don't want to follow your plan and trade Len, Warren, Bledsoe and everyone that is any good for bad players so we can be bad and hope we can get lucky in the lottery and hope there is a superstar there that can redefine the Suns on his own.

Philly has that plan and they have an out of shape Embiid and a mediocre Noel along with perhaps a guy like Mudiay who may or may not be good....then Saric who may or may not be a good nba player.

We had a crap team and a great chance at a high pick one year and got the 2nd pick and Armen Gilliam while the Spurs got David Robinson. Luckily we later traded for KJ from that draft, but just having a high pick doesn't guarantee you anything.

It's not necessarily once in a blue moon that good players get drafted....some of the best players in the league were drafted outside of the top 5. Curry was like the 7th pick. Kawhi Leonard was a mid round pick. Paul George was the 13th pick. We picked Amare, Marion and Nash well outside of the top 5. You would also have a pretty big list if you looked over all top 5 picks and saw how many didn't do anything.

Larry Bird was the 6th pick.

There are also these guys:

. Dirk Nowitzki, Milwaukee Bucks, 1998
The only NBA MVP (and the greatest European player ever?) in this group easily earns the honor for greatest No. 9 selection all time although the last 10 years has seen its share of All-Stars – Tracy McGrady (’97), Shawn Marion (’99) and Amare Stoudemire (’02) ….Notables at this spot include Celtic great Jo Jo White, Reggie Theus (’78), Rolando Blackman (’81), Dale Ellis (’83), Charles Oakley (’85) while also boasting its share of do-overs ---Larry Demic, Ed O’Bannon, Rodney White, Michael Sweetney …
Draft Fact: All-Star Selections = 35; HOF = 0

10. Paul Westphal, Boston Celtics, 1972
This comes down to the simple question: who’s a better player: Paul Westphal or Paul Pierce? I’m going with Westphal for now and may change my mind based on what Pierce does the remainder of his career …Westphal was a better shooter from the field (50 vs. 44) and (barely) from the line (82 vs. .79) although not as prolific as a scorer (12,809 vs. 15,375 and counting) as Pierce but Westphal was a member of nine playoff teams and did the “Sunderella Suns” to the 1976 Finals, so that’s counts for something and there you have the difference ….Other notables (and there aren’t too many) include Jeff Malone, Horace Grant, Joe Johnson, Caron

11. Reggie Miller, Indiana Pacers, 1987
Robert Horry may have seven rings but everyone is taking a backseat to Reggie Miller and his 25,279 career points (14th all time) …Miller Time in Indy lasted for 18 seasons (still hard to believe Pacer fans booed this selection when the team didn’t nab Hoosier favorite Steve Alford) …Notables out of this spot include Jamaal Wilkes, Fat Lever, Derek Harper and was the pick of future GMs in Ernie Grunfeld and Kiki Vandeweghe ……Kevin Willis was selected in 1984 and he’s still playing ….this is also the spot where Fran Vazquez was taken in 2005. Haven’t seen him? Neither have the Magic …
Draft Fact: All-Star Selections = 20; HOF = 0

13. Karl Malone, Utah Jazz, 1985
The greatest power forward of all time and the greatest No. 13 selection of all time ….No doubt, we will revisit this list in a few years based on what Kobe does, who by the way remains the greatest player in NBA history to never have won an NBA MVP ….Malone, the No. 2 scorer of all time, has only his former teammate to worry about in possibly dethroning him because it certainly isn’t going to be Bob Bigelow (’75), Dudley Bradley (’79), Danny Schayes (’81), Joe Wolf (’87), Terry Dehere (’93) or Keon Clark (’98) ….Notables include (and it’s not many), Sleepy Floyd (’82) and Corey Maggette (’99)
Draft Fact: All-Star Selections =24; HOF =0 (note: Mailman and Kobe are locks)

14. Clyde Drexler, Portland Trail Blazers, 1983
You must be pretty good when the Blazers pass on the golden opportunity to draft Michael Jordan …Drexler, one of the best passers in NBA history from the big guard position, glided to 22,195 points and was one of only three players in league history to top 20,000 points, 6,000 rebounds and 3,000 assists …Who are other strong candidates at the 14 spot – Maurice Lucas (’74 drafted by the Bulls but played in the ABA before joining Portland), Tim Hardaway (’89), Dan Majerle (’88), Peja Stojakovic (’96) and Michael Cage (’84) …
Draft Fact: All-Star Selections = 25; HOF = 1

15. Steve Nash, Phoenix Suns, 1996
Did anyone ever think that when the Suns drafted little known Stevie Nash that he would later win back-to-back NBA MVPs and finish runner-up for a third? Had he won No. 3, he would have joined Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain and Larry Bird, who by the way finished runner-up in the MVP race twice following his three consecutive wins …Clearly the Class of No. 15, no one selected in this spot is even worthy of being mentioned with this future Hall of Famer
Draft Fact: All-Star Selections = 7; HOF = 0 (note: Nash is a lock)

16. John Stockton, Utah Jazz, 1984
Similar to Nash (or is it the other way around?), no one could have predicted that John Stockton out of tiny Gonzaga would become the NBA’s all-time assists and steals king … Two future Hall of Famers chosen at point with the No. 15 and 16 picks (listen up Detroit and Washington) …..Who else was selected in this spot that has made some noise in the NBA? Ron Artest (’99) and that’s about it ….
Draft Fact: All-Star Selections = 15; HOF = 0 (note: John Stockton is a no brainer)

17. Shawn Kemp, Seattle SuperSonics, 1989
Shawn Kemp, Jermaine O’Neal, Josh Smith …notice a pattern, here? This spot has a penchant for being home to high school players ….While O’Neal’s career is far from over, the nod is going to the Reign Man, who played a key role in leading the Sonics to the Finals, was a six-time All-Star (five with Sonics, one with Cavs) and threw down the most thunderous dunks this side of Dominique Wilkins ….Not to be overlooked is Larry Drew (’80) and a forward out of North Dakota named Phil Jackson (’67)
Draft Fact: All-Star Selections = 16; HOF = 0

18. Joe Dumars, Detroit Pistons, 1985
Was it any coincidence that after the Pistons drafted Joe D. out of McNeese State that they would go on to make three Finals appearances in the next six years? Dumars was one of the key cogs in the Pistons machine that went on to win back-to-back titles while the Shreveport, La., native won Finals MVP honors in '89 ...A leader by example, Dumars was a standout defender who took the lead in defending Michael Jordan in Detroit's vaulted Jordan Rules....According to MJ, no one gave him more fits on the defensive end than Joe D ....the ultimate sportsman, the NBA named its sportsmanship award after Dumars ... Mark Action Jackson won NBA Rookie of the Year honors in 1989-90 and retired as the No. 2 all-time leader in assists behind John Stockton. That’s right, he’s ahead of Magic, Oscar and Isiah …Not bad for the 18th overall pick …This pick is definintely representin’ with Calvin Murphy (’70) joining Dumars as the only Hall of Famers in this group and let's not forget about Ricky Pierce (’82) and his 14,467 points …
Draft Fact: All-Star Selections = 10; HOF = 2

No idea what you are getting at bwgood. It's well known and a foregone conclusion that drafting in the top 5 assures your team getting a superstar/franchise-saving player. Just look at the examples from the past 10 years!

2013--Bennett and Zeller
2012--Waiters and Robinson
2011--Williams, Thompson, and Valanciunas
2010--Evan Turner and Wes Johnson
2009--Thabeet and Rubio
2008--Beasley and Mayo
2007--Oden
2006--Adam Morrison, Tyrus Thomas, and Shelden Williams
2005--Marvin Williams and Felton
2004--Shaun Livingston and Devin Harris

While these scrubs from the same drafts are what were left for the other 25 teams:

2013--Giannis and Gobert
2012--Drummond and Wroten
2011--Biyombo, Klay Thompson, Leonard, and Butler
2010--Heyward, George, and Bledsoe
2009--Jrue, Teague, and Lawson
2008--B. Lopez, Hibbert, Ibaka, Batum, Dragic, DeAndre Jordan, and Ryan Anderson
2007--Noah and M. Gasol
2006--Gay, Rondo, and Lowry
2005--Bynum, Granger, and David Lee
2004--Deng and Al Jefferson

I mean, how can we Suns fans expect that we might find a decent talent at 13 or 14 that will help our team. Understanding, of course, that Warren didn't get much burn this season, but we can already tell he's going to be a middling talent for us. Whereas Alex Len has already proven, being drafted 5th, that he's the best Center in the league from the '13 draft...oh wait, he was outplayed by Gobert so far in their young careers? No, you must be mistaken; that's impossible! Because Gobert was drafted 27th. And not to mention that Adams, Noel, and Dieng have all played pretty darn well also, but the sheer fact that Len was drafted in the top 5, again, ensures he'll be better than all of those guys, because, that's how it works.

And rather than highlight the entire post in Green, let's just assume a good portion of this post is highlighted in Green, shall we...

No doubt. There WILL be 1-2 breakout guys drafted in the teens. The big question mark is which guys will it be and is McD savvy enough to get one of them.

I loved the Warren pick. It seems like most here do as well, though many seem to be very unhappy we drafted that low and got him last year and others seem to want to sign a guy like KJ McDaniels, who, also appears to be a solid player but personally I'd rather Warren get more and more time and hopefully we can get another quality player this year.

I bet Warren, after getting a taste of the NBA, works his ass off this summer. Usually one of the biggest single year improvements is between their rookie and 2nd years, and he seems like a guy who will work very hard this off season. Think of the strides Len made in his second year and how good Warren already looked at times.

[bwgood77]

Long bouts of sarcasim is what has driven lots of posters to not want to. I agree with your post compleetly, but all this overkill for the sake of compiling info to prove points is just playing the "being pissy back " game that seems more prevelent lately. I agree you can get a contributor later and a bust earlier... those facts have proven themselves throughout the history of the draft.

You are right, but it seems that even when presenting 'non-sarcastic' viewpoints, opposing viewpoints refuse to listen to common sense. But I'll attempt to refrain from overly sarcastic posts in the future, because along with what you said, it just puts a negative 'vibe' on the post that's not necessary to get a point across.

Personally, sarcastic posts don't bother me whatsoever if it is done to make a good point, but I guess one could always argue whether the point is good or not. I find them funny if they make a good point, but if this is a primary reason good posters leave the board, than I'll definitely try and be aware of that.

People can always PM me if they think there are certain posts that are taken negatively and may make people less likely to be on the board. I'm not going to take any drastic action unless necessary, but will let people know if there is excessive feedback. I'd like to see as many quality posts and good discussion as possible.

[NavLDO]

Long bouts of sarcasim is what has driven lots of posters to not want to. I agree with your post compleetly, but all this overkill for the sake of compiling info to prove points is just playing the "being pissy back " game that seems more prevelent lately. I agree you can get a contributor later and a bust earlier... those facts have proven themselves throughout the history of the draft.

You are right, but it seems that even when presenting 'non-sarcastic' viewpoints, opposing viewpoints refuse to listen to common sense. But I'll attempt to refrain from overly sarcastic posts in the future, because along with what you said, it just puts a negative 'vibe' on the post that's not necessary to get a point across.

Personally, sarcastic posts don't bother me whatsoever if it is done to make a good point, but I guess one could always argue whether the point is good or not. I find them funny if they make a good point, but if this is a primary reason good posters leave the board, than I'll definitely try and be aware of that.

People can always PM me if they think there are certain posts that are taken negatively and may make people less likely to be on the board. I'm not going to take any drastic action unless necessary, but will let people know if there is excessive feedback. I'd like to see as many quality posts and good discussion as possible.

Yes, I enjoy some good sarcasm if done in good taste. I often enjoy Mr. Miyagi's 'green font' posts, so please, Mr. Miyagi, please continue as normal, unless there is an overabundance of negative responses/complaints about them, and I'll personally try to refrain from 'over-using' sarcasm.

[Fo-Real]

Yes, quick sarcastic comebacks... halarious. 6 paragraph dueling arguments.... no.

[drewsprocket]

long as your arguments are sound. There's always a line somewhere. Sarcasm is fine but being a total dick won't make it good reading.

[Fo-Real]

long as your arguments are sound. There's always a line somewhere. Sarcasm is fine but being a total dick won't make it good reading.

Ya.....

[Damkac]

What if the suns intend on trading either Bled or Knight... and Archie isnt a pg, that experiment should stop.

I really really hope you are right.
If the Suns will keep Bledsoe and Knight and draft another pg then I'm done with this team.

[MrMiyagi]

When do we start hearing about the invites to team workouts?

[RunDogGun]

What if the suns intend on trading either Bled or Knight... and Archie isnt a pg, that experiment should stop.

I really really hope you are right.
If the Suns will keep Bledsoe and Knight and draft another pg then I'm done with this team.

If he is the best player available, then I don't see a problem. A draft day trade might not be available to make a move, or move Bledsoe right away.

Plus we can always search FA for a back up PF, or possibly a starting PF. Or maybe a sign and trade, which would have to wait until FA period starts.

[Saberestar]

This offseason, the Suns have one first-round pick (likely at No. 13 after Tuesday's draft lottery) and another restricted free agent point guard, Brandon Knight, whose re-signing prospects are not as murky.

The Suns do need a backup point guard, although it could be for minimal time with the Suns' plans of returning to a rotation that keeps Bledsoe or Knight on the floor.
If they do wind up at No. 13, Ohio State's D'Angelo Russell and Congo-born, China-pro Emmanuel Mudiay will be long gone.

That leaves a point guard quintet that could go in the middle or later parts of the first round: Murray State's Cameron Payne, Notre Dame's Jerian Grant, Duke's Tyus Jones, Louisville's Terry Rozier and Utah's Delon Wright.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /27418601/

[letsgosuns]

If the Suns draft another point guard, they are insane. That is the last thing they need. The team needs to draft a power forward and get more shooting. If they want a back up point guard, they need to sign a veteran one in free agency. Getting another 20 year old point guard like they did with Ennis last year would be a complete waste.

[thamadkant]

If the rumors are true that the Suns are interviewing PGs...
Surely, they are looking to capitalize on Bledsoe and Knight as trade baits.

If not... then someone in the FO or ownership board is OBSESS about Point Guards... unhealthy at that.

[Saberestar]

Cameron Payne is the only PG in our range that I like. He is really good in the pick and roll he plays defense. He looks an smart guy with high IQ too.

[Mr-Al]

If we draft a PG and don't plan on trading Bled or Knight, I'm **** done

Even hearing the word "point guard" after all the **** shenanigans that went on last season makes me vomit a little bit in my mouth

[Mr-Al]

With Bogdan waiting in the wings, I think the need for a young shooter is not particularly pressing. Another vet shooter would be nice - hopefully Granger can play some for us next year. Maybe Bullock will be able to contribute. Maybe Archie continues to improve.

Some eye-popping things from the measurements yesterday. Kaminsky's a T-Rex. He's nearly 7-feet, but with those arms, he's more like 6-10 or maybe even 6-9. And on the opposite end of the spectrum is Looney, who is 6-8, but more like 6-10 with those arms: his standing reach is higher than Kaminsky's. And since a lot of that length is arms, he has a lower base. Should help him on the glass. Then you look at his release on his jumper - very high. I'm switching my pick from Bobby P to Kevon. He won't play for a year, as he needs to spend a ton of time in the weight room, but he's my pick as of now (it changes every few days).

Speaking of Bobby P - his measurables were very, very similar to Lyles's. I get confused as to why Lyles is rated so highly by some. I've got Looney ahead of both of them now, and he should be available at 13.

Yeah I wouldn't bother drafting Portis or Lyles.

They can both be pretty good bench players or role players, but we're drafting for stars

Looney has a lower floor than those guys, but definitely has a much higher ceiling. You should take that risk

At the worst, Looney will be able to rebound, defend, and shoot the 3 hopefully. That's not bad.

And I'm pretty sure he'll be available at 13. I think

[Saberestar]

Suns could address need for size with NBA draft's big-man prevalence

The Suns have a 96 percent chance of winding up with the No. 13 pick after Tuesday's draft lottery. That takes the consensus top two picks, centers Karl-Anthony Towns of Kentucky and Jahlil Okafor of Duke, out of the equation, as well as Latvian power forward Kristaps Porzingis and probably Kentucky's defensive star Willie Cauley-Stein.

After that group, the NBA draft combine that ended Saturday had a display of big men who could be in play for the Suns. Kentucky power forward Trey Lyles, Texas power forward/center Myles Turner, Arkansas power forward Bobby Portis and Wisconsin power forward Frank Kaminsky. UCLA tweener forward Kevon Looney and Louisville power forward Montrezl Harrell are possibilities to reach the top half of the first round.

Teams like Turner's 7-4 wingspan, but there are concerns about his awkward running style. In a preemptive move, Turner received a detailed study and report on his body from the Hospital for Special Surgery in New York and sent it to each NBA team. His issues with weaknesses in his gluteus medius muscles could be the type of adjustment that the Suns athletic training staff thrives in addressing.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /27469879/