Is it Possible to Remove Doc as GM and Keep him as Coach?

Quake Griffin · Post #1 » by **Quake Griffin** » Mon May 18, 2015 5:40 am

yes or no.
I made up in my mind long before the season was out, that even if we won the chip, I wanted him out as GM.

If you take the GM duties away from him, do you think he stays or walks?

Dynamix · Post #2 » by **Dynamix** » Mon May 18, 2015 5:46 am

If Doc fails to realise that he's way over his head as GM, he deserves to be let go.

Roscoe Sheed · Post #3 » by **Roscoe Sheed** » Mon May 18, 2015 5:46 am

How good are Wohl and Sacks at basketball ops? Perhaps they should do the major GM duties with Doc still having contributions

nickhx2 · Post #4 » by **nickhx2** » Mon May 18, 2015 6:23 am

I recall gary sacks making solid decisions in the short time he was the top decision maker. Plus he learned under neil olshey, who while not perfect, is probably the best gm we've ever had. What i wouldn't give to have a GM who seemingly finds a way to improve his team's prospects year after year.

Anyway to answer the question, no, i don't think so. Doc was the egomaniac who wanted both duties in the first place. For him to be demoted isn't something i could ever see him being ok with.

It's too bad because i think if you give him the right personnel it'd be pretty hard for him to screw up and repeat the crap jobs he managed this year in the playoffs. Even the best coaches (popovich against us this year for example) find ways to do some really dumb things. Sometimes coaches are like little animals: you have to put a leash on them to stop them from wandering into traffic. In our case doc simply could not understand that a "playmaking bench scorer" who neither scores, nor makes plays, nor defends, but instead does everything he can to throw every possession is not a good basketball player. Hell, it's not even a necessity on any team, let alone our team with two of the best playmakers in the game. But doc was absolutely clueless about how bad he was and he kept playing jamal almost seemingly because he was there to play, like candy you eat just cause it's in front of you. Raise your hand if you think we would have easily won the rockets series if crawford was injured. I know i am.

Anyway even if we do keep doc, i'm not so sure that he doesn't find ways to mess things up without the perfect team. One thing that bothers me is that his line of thinking on so many issues besides even that one is antiquated to begin with. He couldn't figure out a way to use spencer hawes, and he doesn't understand that a floor spacing big man isn't gonna do all that much for an already top of the line offense. He SEVERELY undervalued the need of actual real defenders on the team and likely still does. I mean, does anyone here honestly think if we were given one more chance to do it all that he wouldn't play crawford another 25+ minutes?

I think doc was there for us in our time of need. And in lieu of some retread I would rather take doc. But if we could replace him i'd do it in a heartbeat. Too bad doc traded so many assets away because i'd trade our next 5 first-rounders for a guy like rick carlisle.

TheNewEra · Post #5 » by **TheNewEra** » Mon May 18, 2015 6:23 am

Roscoe Sheed wrote:How good are Wohl and Sacks at basketball ops? Perhaps they should do the major GM duties with Doc still having contributions

Wohl is the teams actual gm so I doubt he does any better. Gary Sacks was demoted from GM so Doc Rivers could bring in his crew. I doubt Sacks would be given his power back and the other guys are Docs yes men. We either have to hope Ballmer researches and brings in a new crew to work under doc or he cuts the head off the snake and gets a new head of basketball operations with his own new crew.

nickhx2 · Post #6 » by **nickhx2** » Mon May 18, 2015 6:31 am

TheNewEra wrote:
Roscoe Sheed wrote:How good are Wohl and Sacks at basketball ops? Perhaps they should do the major GM duties with Doc still having contributions

Wohl is the teams actual gm so I doubt he does any better. Gary Sacks was demoted from GM so Doc Rivers could bring in his crew. I doubt Sacks would be given his power back and the other guys are Docs yes men. We either have to hope Ballmer researches and brings in a new crew to work under doc or he cuts the head off the snake and gets a new head of basketball operations with his own new crew.

they are definitely doc's yes men.

i remember when doc took over everything i had a pretty bad feeling about it all, in addition to feeling sad for gary sacks, who at the time had done admirably.

yuck

Quake Griffin · Post #7 » by **Quake Griffin** » Mon May 18, 2015 11:09 am

Sincerely hoping Ballmer has the right people in his ear telling him to shake up things in the front office.
I know he is capable.

MartinToVaught · Post #8 » by **MartinToVaught** » Mon May 18, 2015 2:43 pm

From the sound of Doc's postgame quotes, he's not leaving the front office without a fight. I bet he'd play the "either keep me as coach and GM or I quit" card - and if I were Ballmer, my response would be, "You trashed our roster, you couldn't close out a 3-1 series lead, you're replaceable. Have a nice life."

Post #9 » by **thanumba2clippersfan** » Mon May 18, 2015 2:48 pm

I guess it depends if Doc realizes that the GM duties are too much for him and he has someone else take over. However I doubt he steps down as GM, I'm sure he's thinking how he can fix the mess he's gotten into. I'm just being hopeful here but I'm praying that we get one smart move in the offseason.

kylem4711 · Post #10 » by **kylem4711** » Mon May 18, 2015 3:15 pm

no way doc demotes himself.

Woodsanity · Post #11 » by **Woodsanity** » Mon May 18, 2015 4:30 pm

Remove Doc as pres of bball operations and clean up the whole GM department which is filled with incompetent Doc lackeys. They have already butchered this team enough with their stupidity.

LApwnd · Post #12 » by **LApwnd** » Mon May 18, 2015 4:46 pm

yea, wouldn't ever want GM and Coach to be the same guy. Preferable to have gm and coach see eye to eye obviously but all the smaller finer detailers of everyday GMing is to much of a burden on a coach to handle and he would obviously miss things here and there that could make a difference. Obviously I don't know how much of the signing and trades were all docs decision but if they were all his he made a lot of mistakes, I didn't understand all the guards he signed and traded for when Clipps were hurting at the SF spot.

nickhx2 · Post #13 » by **nickhx2** » Mon May 18, 2015 4:48 pm

pretty much none of us understand his roster decisions either.

Post #14 » by **QRich3** » Tue May 19, 2015 11:35 am

Nope, no chance at all. He'd be pretty much admitting he's not qualified for an executive position and killin every chance at a future career in that area. And he's not the type of guy to hurt his career in the name of honesty tbh. When the Sterling stuff went down he showed he's a power hungry shark ready to use any chance to grab more for him and his people. Then the Austin Rivers stuff happened and pretty much sealed the idea of him being out for himself.

I've been all season defending him for being a really good coach (beacuase I think he is, and I don't think there's anyone of his level available to us if he left), but after the Rockets series and his stupid comments about next season, I'd rather see him gone than hurting our future any more.

Not gonna happen though, Ballmer loves him like it was his own son and has given him pretty much free reign to do as he pleases in every aspect. Get ready for a few more years of our team getting progressively worse.

nickhx2 · Post #15 » by **nickhx2** » Tue May 19, 2015 4:51 pm

agree completely. this team might be like the 49ers of recent years. get really close only to have it all collapse and make you wonder what the FK just happened.

doc's not going anywhere. we just have to pray that dumb luck falls in his lap and that his brain is managing to work that day for him to take advantage.

just infuriating to think about cause there's such minuscule chance for this team to get better at this point with him calling the shots. and i don't want to wait for another generation of talent when blake and cp3 are long gone for us to sniff the end-game again. we just don't deserve this.

mttwlsn16 · Post #16 » by **mttwlsn16** » Tue May 19, 2015 6:42 pm

MartinToVaught wrote:From the sound of Doc's postgame quotes, he's not leaving the front office without a fight. I bet he'd play the "either keep me as coach and GM or I quit" card - and if I were Ballmer, my response would be, "You trashed our roster, you couldn't close out a 3-1 series lead, you're replaceable. Have a nice life."

I thought it was CP the fraud's fault we lost?

Post #17 » by **QRich3** » Wed May 20, 2015 10:48 am

mttwlsn16 wrote:
MartinToVaught wrote:From the sound of Doc's postgame quotes, he's not leaving the front office without a fight. I bet he'd play the "either keep me as coach and GM or I quit" card - and if I were Ballmer, my response would be, "You trashed our roster, you couldn't close out a 3-1 series lead, you're replaceable. Have a nice life."

I thought it was CP the fraud's fault we lost?

Man's just on a hate-spreadin mission. Doesn't matter who you are or what you done, if you let MartinToVaught lay eyes on you, you're a choker and it was your fault :lol:

Luciferswings · Post #18 » by **Luciferswings** » Fri May 22, 2015 9:34 am

I think this is pretty much where all the intelligent people are at. Doc needs to have a guy with at the very least 50-50 power with him, someone with credibility around the league, who actually is good at the stuff Doc cares less about.

So Gutta · Post #19 » by **So Gutta** » Tue May 26, 2015 4:34 am

Gary Sacks' younger brother, Harry Sacks, would be a better GM than Doc.

Sorry guys. Had to. :wink: