Clipper 2015 Offseason

nickhx2 · Post #81 » by **nickhx2** » Mon May 18, 2015 9:28 pm

yeah figured as much. just hoping we'll at least try. given we are so short on assets, it'd be criminal to not buy any picks, even if they're only second rounders.

JayClips92 · Post #82 » by **JayClips92** » Mon May 18, 2015 10:21 pm

side note, anyone find it odd that Austin doesn't have an agent? Doc better get him cheap... http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/236300/Austin-Rivers-Doesnt-Currently-Have-An-Agent

Can CJ Wilcox find a role on the team?! or was that another wasted pick?

TucsonClip · Post #83 » by **TucsonClip** » Mon May 18, 2015 11:01 pm

JayClips92 wrote:side note, anyone find it odd that Austin doesn't have an agent? Doc better get him cheap... http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/236300/Austin-Rivers-Doesnt-Currently-Have-An-Agent

Can CJ Wilcox find a role on the team?! or was that another wasted pick?

He might be forced into a role if we are able to move Crawford for help elsewhere.

Right now he's the 4th guard off the bench. He's a 25 year old role player. I wouldnt be surprised to see him dealt this summer in a package.

nickhx2 · Post #84 » by **nickhx2** » Mon May 18, 2015 11:22 pm

meh, kinda bugs me. if doc was just drafting players for future trades then why not at least gamble on players with giant upside? that's gotta be far more attractive than a 25 year old rookie.

TucsonClip · Post #85 » by **TucsonClip** » Mon May 18, 2015 11:24 pm

I dont think he was drafting for future trades. I think he legitimately thought/thinks he would be able to eventually use Wilcox in a Ray Allen type role when Crawford's talent level faded.

nickhx2 · Post #86 » by **nickhx2** » Tue May 19, 2015 1:02 am

yeah i see what you're saying.

Just throwing it out there, the next two years may or may not be somewhat hellish depending on the moves we probably won't be able to make given our lack of resources. I know it's a while down the road but given how good the rest of the WC is right now, i could definitely see us needing to add a third true star in the 89M cap year to really contend again if we are stuck in the mud this/next offseason. Unfortunately i think we won't be able to offer anywhere close to the near max once the first big cap boom occurs so maybe just a bunch of help everywhere else in general would do the trick.

I'm kind of thinking it might be a really weird couple of years where most of the leagues superstars are still operating under their old max deals, which becomes a gigantic bargain until they re-up. So all the teams with stars signed for the old max will get giant cap boosts with which to sign something like 20M-ish worth of players. And in these two years the really good teams are gonna get reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally deep and reaaaaaaaally good because of that. Eventually the max deals will be re-upped and help normalize everything to what it's like now, but it could be really interesting for the nba. All i know is i hope steve ballmer is willing to pay some big tax money.

kylem4711 · Post #87 » by **kylem4711** » Tue May 19, 2015 2:05 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/UCjwilcox23W/status/600478641160499200[/tweet]

Neddy · Post #88 » by **Neddy** » Tue May 19, 2015 2:18 am

kylem4711 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/UCjwilcox23W/status/600478641160499200[/tweet]

CJ is right, and whoever the other dude is wrong.

Austin's team option has been declined awhile ago, he will be a free agent, unless his pop rescinded the decline and now suddenly picked it back up but I don't think that is allowed once you decline the option.

Neddy · Post #89 » by **Neddy** » Tue May 19, 2015 2:29 am

Lakersteve20 wrote:Sources: DeAndre Jordan and Chris Paul have had falling out throughout season, a fact that could push Jordan to another team in free agency.

https://twitter.com/sportsreiter/status ... 4377985024

who the **** is this guy? NBA's version of TMZ?

mttwlsn16 · Post #90 » by **mttwlsn16** » Tue May 19, 2015 3:23 am

I blame this premature thread for our collapse.

Dynamix · Post #91 » by **Dynamix** » Tue May 19, 2015 5:59 am

Totally deflated after this loss. Another year of waiting, thinking about what might've been. Right now it seems that no lead (game or series) will ever feel safe, and that sucks. Or maybe we actually learn from this and never let it happen again, who knows.

I've said it before: nothing against Jamal, not saying he lost us this series by himself or anything, but he has to go ASAP. We rely on him way too much and he's just too inconsistent on both ends to be of real use during the playoffs. So that's the first move I want to see.

With Jamal gone, just try to find someone decent that can start instead of Barnes.

I think we should give Hawes another chance. Let's not make the same mistake as with Dudley.

Austin can stay, for a reasonable price. He has maybe one good game in him per series, but he can also improve and become a more reliable contributor during the regular season. If he thinks he would be in a better situation somewhere else, then best of luck to him.

Regarding DJ, Doc already said we are giving him the max, so any fantasy trades are mute at this point. I just hope he keeps working and doesn't take it easy after getting his money.

I'd like to see more from Hamilton and Hudson. We are so limited in our options to improve the bench, so let's stick with what we have that works. Both guys seemed somewhat promising in the few minutes they got, and being around the team these past months can help them grow. No more dice rolls on guys that could hurt the locker room.

We are in a pretty tough spot and unfortunately Doc doesn't seem like the GM that can get us out of it. He already dug a nice hole for us with the moves he made last year. Our core seems solid but then we get right back to this meltdown and everything is uncertain.

Hope we pull through somehow and break the curse. Go Clips!

nickhx2 · Post #92 » by **nickhx2** » Tue May 19, 2015 6:12 am

One wrinkle that may affect our long term plans.

DJ could ostensibly try for a 2-year deal at max money. This could be pretty bad for us, because it would only be only with the intent to seek a new max deal in the first cap boom which will go for approximately 89M a year. Ballpark math, in case i got it right, puts that to something like 30M a year for the first year and it just goes up after that. If he signs a max now then there is a real chance that we can sign a true 4th star in the cap boom years, but if DJ goes that route i think that hurts us quite a bit.

Anyway, that aside i forgot about hamilton and hudson. I would definitely like to see them come back because i think they actually showed a few nice things. Hudson was confident in the playoffs, he didn't try to do too much and his defense looks great. He and rivers as our backup guards might be a little undersized but when you go bench vs bench, those things aren't as important as having straight up great defenders.

Hamilton i think could be a nice 3 and D backup, maybe more if we actually develop him. And yeah we're so limited if we don't give those guys burn it's just shooting ourselves in the foot, AGAIN.

Hope we can keep them.

Post #93 » by **QRich3** » Tue May 19, 2015 11:01 am

Best case scenario: We re-sign DJ, we manage to get Brandon Bass for the mini-MLE, ship Crawford out for someone mildly useful at the end of the bench, add a couple of veteran-minimums a tier above Hedo, Austin gets offered the full MLE somewhere else, we don't waste our 2021 pick in a trade for someone who's gonna be out of the team in a year. With some luck, we manage another competitive playoff run with a wild outside shot at making the finals.

Worst case scenario: We keep Jamal, waste a pick trading for Lance Stephenson of all people, keep Austin, sign more useless veterans that add nothing, have Barnes decline a great deal, have the team implode and waste probably the last year of Paul's prime.

I'm not specially excited for any of the scenarios really.

robbie84 · Post #94 » by **robbie84** » Tue May 19, 2015 11:08 am

How about Paul Pierce on a friendly deal like the MLE or something? Wouldn't send you over the cap and would be an upgrade over most suggestions I see here.

The guy would be a great 3rd/4th option, drains the three and can play reasonable defense against opposing SF's. Just creates a lot more offensive spacing in the playoffs for Reddick and Paul particularly.

Post #95 » by **QRich3** » Tue May 19, 2015 11:27 am

We only have the mini-MLE if we re-sign DJ, and if Pierce comes back another year he's either gonna stay in Washington or go back to Boston for a farewell tour. He's not leaving an up and coming team and coming here for less money after Doc picked Hawes over him.

mattd13 · Post #96 » by **mattd13** » Tue May 19, 2015 11:40 am

dynamix, I totally agree with all that you said. also I hope we do not over react and trade for guys like lance. I see this group as being close and you do not want a distraction or troubled player. why do that. I think they should also take a long look at Hamilton and Hudson. I believe Austin stays and I see that as a problem. he has an inflated opinion of himself. if he could improve that would be very helpful.

nickhx2 · Post #97 » by **nickhx2** » Tue May 19, 2015 4:46 pm

QRich3 wrote:Best case scenario: We re-sign DJ, we manage to get Brandon Bass for the mini-MLE, ship Crawford out for someone mildly useful at the end of the bench, add a couple of veteran-minimums a tier above Hedo, Austin gets offered the full MLE somewhere else, we don't waste our 2021 pick in a trade for someone who's gonna be out of the team in a year. With some luck, we manage another competitive playoff run with a wild outside shot at making the finals.

Worst case scenario: We keep Jamal, waste a pick trading for Lance Stephenson of all people, keep Austin, sign more useless veterans that add nothing, have Barnes decline a great deal, have the team implode and waste probably the last year of Paul's prime.

I'm not specially excited for any of the scenarios really.

how come you wouldn't rather just re-sign austin for his limited bird? he seems decent and young enough to actually be a solid bench player, and a two year deal won't kill us in cap boom year #1.

also i mostly like your plan. would love if AK felt like coming back cause he's gotta be way better than hedo. also would be nifty if paul pierce wanted to try a final run with us, but i doubt it since doc tried to lowball him this past offseason.

if we don't managed to retool, i agree with your post in the other thread: the lottery could maybe save us.

best possible thing for us would to have both blake/cp3/dj be hamstrung with injuries throughout the year to put us deep into lotto territory. doc gets fired, entire FO gets wiped out, meanwhile mavs are looking like a lotto team for the next 10 years and we "trade" a future first rounder for rick carlisle.

DREAMS CAN HAPPEN, RIGHT?

kylem4711 · Post #98 » by **kylem4711** » Tue May 19, 2015 4:49 pm

timing-wise, what happens if we dont sign DJ right away?
Will his salary automatically come off of the salary at of July 1?

I ask because if DJ comes off the books on July 1 and we choose to release crawford, barnes, and hudson, wouldn't that mean we would have around 10 mill to mess with? Then we could sign a couple players and then DJ? Someone school, cause i really dont know what im talking about.

nickhx2 · Post #99 » by **nickhx2** » Tue May 19, 2015 4:55 pm

dj would have a cap hold so that wouldn't work. until you renounce his rights his contract would still be counting against us. i think releasing dj/barnes/crawford etc all at the same time only gives us like a few million to play with anyway, since we are quite a bit over the cap.

High level · Post #100 » by **High level** » Tue May 19, 2015 6:41 pm

I was thinking Bulls and Clippers should make some trades. Bulls need Clippers talent and offense and Clippers need the bulls depth and defense. Starting with Thibbs and Doc Rivers. Bulls trade Thibbs for Doc Rivers. Clippers trade Deandre Jordan and Jamal Crawford for Joakim Noah Tony Snell and Nikola Mirotic. This upgrade the clippers defense and give them another wing option and starting caliber center who has IQ and passing ability and defend which will compliment Blakes game. Niko will be a stud off the bench for the clippers and Snell could be that 3 and D guy. The Bulls could use another Defensive minded center in Deandre who can rebound and Jamal Crawford scoring off the bench