Leap Year - The Kemba Walker Thread III

[EwingSweatsALot]

Yeah but this season we beat some pretty weak teams. We had two wins against Washington and one against Chicago but other than that we beat teams like the Knicks, Lakers, Pistons, Nuggets, Pacers, Nets, Magic, Raptors and Wolves. We go a bit lucky that we played that many teams we have a legit shot of beating over that span. I am not saying it is for sure we would win with him but we did not have a strong strength of schedule while he was down either.

In that time period, so over the last two years.

When Kemba is out our opponents have had a combined record of 45.3%. We shouldn't have won 58.6% of those games. One because we aren't haven't been a 48 win type team. And 2 when your leader and who some consider the best player on the team, we shouldn't be winning 58.6% of our games. Our team record should drop right? If that guy means that much we should have a worse record than we should have against those teams. We actually had a better one than we should have.

Also if anyone cares, the record of opponent's when MKG is out is 49.5%. So more difficult than Kemba, but we shouldn't be 14-33 against them.

That is just terrible math. One has nothing at all to do with the other or the point you are trying to make. We played every team ahead of us in the draft right now except the Kings. We had a number of really good chances to win games while he was down. Then Mo coming in and playing well above what he was able to maintain helped as well. We never had half as good a replacement for MKG when he went down.

Well for one I said the last two years.

And 2. Kemba missed 20 games. In those 20 games we also played. IND twice, SAS, WAS three times, OKC, DAL, CHI, BOS, BKN, and TOR. So maybe my math is terrible again, which not again because it wasn't before, but that's 12 games against teams that finished better than us.

So it's called an overall win %. Combine all those teams records and you get what I got. We played a tougher schedule than you are portraying or at least you think. We finished with a better record against those teams than we should have over the last two years with him out.

I get the difference between our backups behind him and MKG. I've aknowledged that. I'm well aware of it. But if you can't see that the stats are little too extreme I don't know what to say. It shouldn't work that way without Kemba. Not when 12 of those teams we played this year had a better record than us.

[BeesWax]

In that time period, so over the last two years.

When Kemba is out our opponents have had a combined record of 45.3%. We shouldn't have won 58.6% of those games. One because we aren't haven't been a 48 win type team. And 2 when your leader and who some consider the best player on the team, we shouldn't be winning 58.6% of our games. Our team record should drop right? If that guy means that much we should have a worse record than we should have against those teams. We actually had a better one than we should have.

Also if anyone cares, the record of opponent's when MKG is out is 49.5%. So more difficult than Kemba, but we shouldn't be 14-33 against them.

That is just terrible math. One has nothing at all to do with the other or the point you are trying to make. We played every team ahead of us in the draft right now except the Kings. We had a number of really good chances to win games while he was down. Then Mo coming in and playing well above what he was able to maintain helped as well. We never had half as good a replacement for MKG when he went down.

Well for one I said the last two years.

And 2. Kemba missed 20 games. In those 20 games we also played. IND twice, SAS, WAS three times, OKC, DAL, CHI, BOS, BKN, and TOR. So maybe my math is terrible again, which not again because it wasn't before, but that's 12 games against teams that finished better than us.

So it's called an overall win %. Combine all those teams records and you get what I got. We played a tougher schedule than you are portraying or at least you think. We finished with a better record against those teams than we should have over the last two years with him out.

I get the difference between our backups behind him and MKG. I've aknowledged that. I'm well aware of it. But if you can't see that the stats are little too extreme I don't know what to say. It shouldn't work that way without Kemba. Not when 12 of those teams we played this year had a better record than us.

12 of those teams had a slightly better record than us. Of the teams you listed we beat the Pacers in the middle of their big losing stretch and we got Chicago and Washington twice. So yeah against those teams we had a record of 6-6 which is not very good. Then we spent the rest of the time beating up on teams we should have beat. We also lost to Philly in this stretch of games. Managing to play Washington and Indy during their big losing streaks helped that outcome.

Kemba is not more valuable than MKG IMO but to say this stats shows much of anything is a bit off. Win% means next to nothing when evaluating your potential win loss record because it could be you play 20 middle of the road team games or 10 good and 10 awful. Either way could greatly skew your final results.

[EwingSweatsALot]

That is just terrible math. One has nothing at all to do with the other or the point you are trying to make. We played every team ahead of us in the draft right now except the Kings. We had a number of really good chances to win games while he was down. Then Mo coming in and playing well above what he was able to maintain helped as well. We never had half as good a replacement for MKG when he went down.

Well for one I said the last two years.

And 2. Kemba missed 20 games. In those 20 games we also played. IND twice, SAS, WAS three times, OKC, DAL, CHI, BOS, BKN, and TOR. So maybe my math is terrible again, which not again because it wasn't before, but that's 12 games against teams that finished better than us.

So it's called an overall win %. Combine all those teams records and you get what I got. We played a tougher schedule than you are portraying or at least you think. We finished with a better record against those teams than we should have over the last two years with him out.

I get the difference between our backups behind him and MKG. I've aknowledged that. I'm well aware of it. But if you can't see that the stats are little too extreme I don't know what to say. It shouldn't work that way without Kemba. Not when 12 of those teams we played this year had a better record than us.

12 of those teams had a slightly better record than us. Of the teams you listed we beat the Pacers in the middle of their big losing stretch and we got Chicago and Washington twice. So yeah against those teams we had a record of 6-6 which is not very good. Then we spent the rest of the time beating up on teams we should have beat. We also lost to Philly in this stretch of games. Managing to play Washington and Indy during their big losing streaks helped that outcome.

Kemba is not more valuable than MKG IMO but to say this stats shows much of anything is a bit off. Win% means next to nothing when evaluating your potential win loss record because it could be you play 20 middle of the road team games or 10 good and 10 awful. Either way could greatly skew your final results.

6-6 isn't good, but it's good for us. Remember we sucked this year. We weren't good. I would love to have had numerous 6-6 stretches this year.

I also think we are debating just to debate. I've said multiple times it's not a goto stat to use. It has a lot of variables in it that aren't accounted for. One being the schedule, the other being who is else out, the other being who is out for the other team, how you or your opponent have played over a span of 7-10 games, home or away, etc. etc. I'm not saying it's a great stat. Or a stat that completely shows a player's worth. But it does give some info into players, in a way plus minus does. Being inside that first and second standard deviation isn't that big of a deal, but when you get out side of that second and even that third then it can show something. The extremes can give you a glimpse into an issue(positive or negative) that is there. I haven't mentioned Al, even though we have a better record without him, but it isn't that big of a deal. It isn't a huge gap. Kemba is on the bad extreme and MKG is on the good extreme. Those extremes are meaningful even if 95-99.7% of the other instances in the stat don't really matter.

[yosemiteben]

I've mentioned the win-loss stats, at least for MKG, as much as anyone, but it's good to add some nuance to those like is being done here. I think I'm more in agreement with ESAL that the win-loss numbers for Kemba are very poor for a guy that is supposed to be our best player, even taking all the variables into consideration. There are a lot variables that go into it, but reality is that Kemba had a horribly inefficient year offensively and was terrible defensively. It shouldn't be all that surprising that we didn't run off the rails when he was out.

[CablexDeadpool]

I think MKG should play the 4 more. His first step and ball handling at the four spot would be deadly instead of at the 3.

I don't get why Hornets decided to play slow at all. MKG to me, seems like the second coming of Shawn Marion. I wouldn't play him on the wings that often because he can't shoot it consistently. You could play him like Thaddeus Young and have him operate in the pinch post area the half court. I think closer to the basket, the better off he is. I think the lack of shooting on the perimeter is noise for him and clogs up the lane. He gets to the foul line a lot.

You can play him at the four and have

Kemba
Shooter
Shooter
MKG
Pick and Roll Big

And at the 3

Kemba
Shooter
MKG
Stretch 4
Pick and Roll Big

I think on offense, MKG can abuse 4s. I also think he could guard 1 through 4 without a hiccup in the halfcourt. It would be good for switching on picks and rolls. It would greatly help improve defense. Give him more court time and he wouldn't be punished because he can't shoot.

If Al stays, he'll just have to come off the bench like Chris Kaman. I wouldn't play him more than 25 mins because he doesn't D up. I would have Lance come off the bench too because he messes up spacing but I think he would be more like Tyreke Evans i that, he can have the ball all the time.

Just a thought on how Kemba and MKG could co-exist. Sorry for intruding.

[catch20two]

This guy make too much sense.

[CablexDeadpool]

This guy make too much sense.

Play a lot of NBA 2K online quick matches and I like using some of the bad teams

[HornetJail]

I think MKG should play the 4 more. His first step and ball handling at the four spot would be deadly instead of at the 3.

I don't get why Hornets decided to play slow at all. MKG to me, seems like the second coming of Shawn Marion. I wouldn't play him on the wings that often because he can't shoot it consistently. You could play him like Thaddeus Young and have him operate in the pinch post area the half court. I think closer to the basket, the better off he is. I think the lack of shooting on the perimeter is noise for him and clogs up the lane. He gets to the foul line a lot.

You can play him at the four and have

Kemba
Shooter
Shooter
MKG
Pick and Roll Big

And at the 3

Kemba
Shooter
MKG
Stretch 4
Pick and Roll Big

I think on offense, MKG can abuse 4s. I also think he could guard 1 through 4 without a hiccup in the halfcourt. It would be good for switching on picks and rolls. It would greatly help improve defense. Give him more court time and he wouldn't be punished because he can't shoot.

If Al stays, he'll just have to come off the bench like Chris Kaman. I wouldn't play him more than 25 mins because he doesn't D up. I would have Lance come off the bench too because he messes up spacing but I think he would be more like Tyreke Evans i that, he can have the ball all the time.

Just a thought on how Kemba and MKG could co-exist. Sorry for intruding.

This makes way too much sense to ever happen.

Seriously, I agree with just about everything here. I don't think I want MKG playing 4 all the time because of the beating he'd take, but it's definitely something I want to see a little more often. I also want Al on the bench and 25mpg at most, and I want him there with Lance and shooters.

[HornetJail]

This guy make too much sense.

Play a lot of NBA 2K online quick matches and I like using some of the bad teams

The funny part is that 2k usually isn't representative of what real teams should do, but this is exactly what most of us want

[CablexDeadpool]

The funny part is that 2k usually isn't representative of what real teams should do, but this is exactly what most of us want

I am one of the few 2k Online Quick Match gamers that actually watch what NBA coaches do, read about offenses and defenses, look at stats and highlights and games and try to play NBA level basketball within the constraints of a video game.

Plus I edit rosters to make them realistic so I got a decent understanding of players.

On top of that,I like sports gambling, so you kinda sorta think like a coach (or scout)...even though I ain't no coach and don't got near amount of resources NBA teams have...

But its kinda easy to go...

"Two players can't shoot over 35 percent from 3 , ones an athletic 6 foot 1 PG, other is a 6'7 230 wing player that is good close to the basket, defends and rebounds, make the wing player a Shawn Marion 4 and surround the two players with shooters and run."

I am pretty sure Clifford thought about it and did it for a couple mins here and there. If not he's an idiot and shouldn't be coaching. MKG's rookie season he played some 4.

I think a lot of times, when something is so obvious, it's just politics and business. Al Jefferson is making 10+ million, teams are gonna play their highest paid players because if not it's a waste of money.

In 2K, I can just bench Al, put Zeller at center and nobody complains. Do that in real life, it causes problems.

[LamarMatic7]

What's also interesting is that Kemba's net rating on D tanked this year. Last season he was a net -6.2 on D, this season he is a net +5.1.

This year he has a DRPM of -1.75, which is ranked 52nd among PGs and 370th overall. Last season he had a DRPM of 0.79, the 10th highest among PGs and well above league average.

Doing a huge season write-up on each player (hopefully I have the time for it). Kemba's piece is likely to contain a lot on his defense. I'm sure that if I included every single time Kemba fell asleep on defense and his assignment took advantage of it (usually by the way of a back-door cut) that I could create a five minute long montage. He had a lot of slip-ups on that end. Haven't yet decided whether it's worthy to spend my free time this way since I'm pressed for time.

a lot of plays weren't that effective for such a video since there is some particular detail that has to be seen or it doesn't look all that bad.

so I over-exaggerated a bit. it's only 3 minutes long.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXccIxk6B_Y[/youtube]

or this one if audio restrictions have blocked the video in your country

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we7aRuddYmw[/youtube]

[JDR720]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/hornets/status/592072595266080769[/tweet]

[catch20two]

We trade him yet?

[Flip Murray]

I think MKG should play the 4 more. His first step and ball handling at the four spot would be deadly instead of at the 3.

I don't get why Hornets decided to play slow at all. MKG to me, seems like the second coming of Shawn Marion. I wouldn't play him on the wings that often because he can't shoot it consistently. You could play him like Thaddeus Young and have him operate in the pinch post area the half court. I think closer to the basket, the better off he is. I think the lack of shooting on the perimeter is noise for him and clogs up the lane. He gets to the foul line a lot.

You can play him at the four and have

Kemba
Shooter
Shooter
MKG
Pick and Roll Big

And at the 3

Kemba
Shooter
MKG
Stretch 4
Pick and Roll Big

I think on offense, MKG can abuse 4s. I also think he could guard 1 through 4 without a hiccup in the halfcourt. It would be good for switching on picks and rolls. It would greatly help improve defense. Give him more court time and he wouldn't be punished because he can't shoot.

If Al stays, he'll just have to come off the bench like Chris Kaman. I wouldn't play him more than 25 mins because he doesn't D up. I would have Lance come off the bench too because he messes up spacing but I think he would be more like Tyreke Evans i that, he can have the ball all the time.

Just a thought on how Kemba and MKG could co-exist. Sorry for intruding.

you're hired. When can you start?

[mrknowitall215]

We trade him yet?

Maybe...

Re: THE KEMBA CONUNDRUM

Trader Cho.

The team packages Kemba with an asset in order to both A.) clear $48m from the payroll and B.) upgrade the position. Ty Lawson is the obvious candidate du jour. Given Cho’s modus operandi when it comes to asset management, I’d put the chances of this sort of deal at less than 25%. That said, the team should at least consider it because a point guard who can’t get other guys involved risks DEVALUING all of your assets. Bismack Biyombo may be the next Tyson Chandler for all we know. Noah Vonleh could be Kawhi meets Bosh. Doesn’t matter if Starbury 2.0 is playing solo in the halfcourt.

http://www.bobcatsbaseline.com/2015/hor ... -part-one/

[yosemiteben]

Wasn't part of the rationale for bringing on Lance supposed to be that he could handle the ball and help create offense for others? How does he not get a mention in that piece?

[BigSlam]

Orlando draft 1 = Towns
Minnesota draft 2 = Okafor
Knicks draft 3 = Russell

We stay at 9.

We trade Kemba and the 9 pick
For
Russell and Calderon (or whatever salary dump matches)

Amazing.




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[catch20two]

Wasn't part of the rationale for bringing on Lance supposed to be that he could handle the ball and help create offense for others? How does he not get a mention in that piece?

Because Lance only got basically 1 more year on his contract. People want to get rid of Kemba more than keep him another 4 years.

[catch20two]

Orlando draft 1 = Towns
Minnesota draft 2 = Okafor
Knicks draft 3 = Russell

We stay at 9.

We trade Kemba and the 9 pick
For
Russell and Calderon (or whatever salary dump matches)

Amazing.




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Philly will likely get Russell or offer a better package than us to move up for him. If we trade Kemba to move up it will be for Mudiay, Winslow, or Hezonja.

[catch20two]

Trade Kemba to move up and possibly get Mudiay. If we can't get Mudiay then take Winslow and draft Cameron Payne in the latter round.