The Magic are picking 5th. Who you got? (First pass)

[KillMonger]

Winslow is a SG, he measured lower than even I expected, 6"4 without shoes and 6"6 wearing lifts? don't know man, don't know but to me I think Hezonja may be the better prospect. His size is legit, got a beautiful shooting stroke and while he may not be the defender Winslow is he has the potential to be a two way player and the athleticism is comparable. Although I may be biased because I like players with a kobe kind of attitude, If we go wing I think Henzonja is the guy. If we go big i'll take any of Turner, Porzingis and Kaminsky/Stein

[ralphie9898]

Kristaps Porzingis.
People are sleeping on this guy because he is a foreigner and Magic fans are still pissed at Fran Vasquez( I am too). But you can't just pit him in that boat and say he would jilt us like Fran did. Fran didn't come over but that isn't what happens for every euro prospect. Most come over. Sure he could decide to stay and if so then don't take him. But he is in the draft and I haven't seen anything indicating that he wouldn't come over.

Using the Fran fiasco as a reason to not draft Pôrzingis is stupid anyway.
From 2000 to 2013 there were 20 players (21 including Jennings) playing internationally who were lottery picks, all but Fran went on to play in the NBA, and with the financial gap between the NBA and european leagues increasing exponentially there's zero reason to believe Piorzingis won't make the juymp eventually.

Yeah it is. I do believe I said that. He is the guy I want at 5.

[AdamTheGreek]

At this moment:
Winslow
Cauley-Stein
Hezonja
Porzingis

In that order.

[Magic4champ]

A Gordons devt this summer will be crucial. We go for bpa at 5. Haven't watch ncaa nor international games. If winslow is a 2 way game changer then he can share the court with oladipo, payton, vuc and gordon. Harris and fournier coming off the bench. Hoping for a playoff this time.

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[JF5]

Porzingis
Hezonja
Caulley-Stein

[ezzzp]

Can the people who voted for Winslow show your hands? Why him?

Extremely athletic, high bball IQ, amazing defensive instincts and can hit the 3. Contrary to what others have said, I think he fits amazingly on this team. We would have 3 guys who can play multiple positions (VO can play the 1/2, Winslow can play the 2/3 and Gordon can play the 3/4.) That would make us dynamic and allow us to create matchup problems for the other team. In the era of stretch 4s, teams going small and the importance of defending the pick and roll, I think we are creating the new wave team. At least that is my logic.

I know a lot of people are high on other players because of what they can do on offense. But I think we have our guy that is going to have the ball in his hands most of the time in Payton. I think we need a lot of guys who can play with or without the ball.

You would play two undersized wings and an undersized PF (Aaron Gordon)...next to Vucevic?

Oladipo 6' 3.25" 213lb wingspan 6' 9.25" standing reach 8' 4.5"
Winslow 6' 4.5" 222lb wingspan 6' 10.25" standing reach 8' 8.5"
Gordon 6' 7.25" 220 wingspan 6'11.75" standing reach 8' 9"

...sounds like a great plan

fyi...the matchup problems would be ours

[CPBalla2003 n da 863]

In Order:
Mario Hezonja
Justise Winslow
Willie Cauley Stein

I kind of weary of Porzingis Body frame and seems to be a project out of all the targeted players.

[MagicStarwipe]

Surprised it's such a landslide for Winslow. Looks like just a real good role player to me.

[Malik Starks]

I'm not in love with any of these prospects, but for now I'll say Cauley-Stein.

[KillMonger]

Winslow winning this poll means we're almost guaranteed not to pick him, wasn't there a poll for last years draft and Exum was the majority winner?

[Malik Starks]

Surprised it's such a landslide for Winslow. Looks like just a real good role player to me.

If he can learn to shoot I think he has star potential. The problem is we already have too many players that fit that descrption, including two players at the SF already.

[eyriq]

Interesting, so our board goes
Winslow
Porzingis
WCS
Hezonja

[ChiefWiggumz]

WCS for me. It's just an opinion i've been forming lately. I was all about Winslow earlier, and while he is a good prospect WCS is just a great fit.

Super athletic rim protector, good rebounder, runs the floor with the best of them, and has an improved mid-range jumper.

Give Vuc space to work inside and hit the mid-range when Vuc gets doubled. Finish the fast breaks with Vic and Elfrid. I think it's a no brainer pick. He has the confidence to become better and he wants to become better.

He has a solid frame and with an NBA strength and conditioning coach he can become an animal.

[MagicStarwipe]

Stanley Johnson's offensive game looks more fluid than Winslow to me. He's also bigger and stronger. I think the things he doesn't do well are easier to improve than the things Winslow doesn't do well. His jumpshot to me also looks a bit smoother and like he has more potential with it.

As for WCS, I just can't believe a guy that size moves that well. It's pretty remarkable.

[IllMagic04]

Im starting to warm up to taking Porzingis.. Maybe cause I just finished listing to Chad Ford on the radio He is big on him. When you look at it he kinda does fill a need and is a high risk high reward pick. Maybe we should go ahead and roll the dice. I really like Winslow but Im very confused on the height thing. Did he play with lifts in his shoes? Or did he wear those for the combine. I dunno it's just really strange. Im gonna keep researching before I make my decision. Not that it matters my last two picks were Trey Burke and Exum. See how those worked out.

Is anyone else concerned that Mudiay falls to us? If he does do we take him? I just can't see taking him but he would be the BPA.

[nicnac215]

I want KP but I have a feeling we end up with Johnson

[KillMonger]

It's obvious but we'll know who we're picking when they start bringing in prospects for workouts, iirc every pick henny made they came in for a workout. Question is I don't know how it's going to work for the international guys are we going to go out to them or are they going to come to us? Or will there not be a workout at all?

[Malik Starks]

We are the Magic. This team won 25 games. Everything is a "need." If this team passes on Mudiay or Winslow because of "need", someone "needs" to be fired.

Mudiay I agree with but don't think he'll be on the board.

[doct3r dr3]

I'm not nearly well-studied enough in these prospects to declare who I think/hope we should pick, but if past experience is any insight into Hennigan & Co.'s thought process, I can venture a pretty confident guess as to who we will pick.

Victor Oladipo, Aaron Gordon, Elfrid Payton...

It seems clear that the Magic's approach to the draft is to select players based on: physical tools, basketball IQ, work ethic, and defensive effort/efficiency -- with the plan being to trust that the player's work ethic will be enough to fill in whatever gaps there are in offensive skills.

And from my brief research, the player likely to be available at #5 that checks all those boxes is Justise Winslow.

I'm sure the DraftExpress breakdown of this has already been posted a bunch of times in this thread, so it's been beaten to death that he's got good physical tools (size, strength), he's a good defender, and he's got a good basketball IQ. But for work ethic, I'll just post this excerpt I found from some ESPN.com article in January:

Ever since Winslow realized he had a future in basketball, he's been obsessed with improving his game.

Even at 5:30 in the morning.

"Once his music is playing in the morning, that's how you know," Bianca said. "Justise is up, he's about to go workout, he's about to go to school. Whatever it took for him to get his mind right to go workout, it was fine."

Bianca Winslow, now a junior guard at Houston, watched her brother rise so often for early morning workouts that she eventually joined him.

Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski saw the same dedication when Justise Winslow arrived on campus. Before Krzyzewski left the country with the U.S. National Team, Winslow's outside shooting touch was a bit suspect. By the time Krzyzewski got back, it was steady.

Winslow, who averages 10.7 points and 4.5 rebounds per game, is making 46.5 percent of his 2-point shots, and he's shooting 37.3 percent from 3-point range.

"He felt like his jump shot wasn't his strong suit yet, so he was always in the gym after working on his jump shot," Krzyzewski said. "And it's come a long way since he got here, and that says a lot about his maturity and his work ethic. He's more advanced than your typical freshman."

[...]

Matt Howard, his trainer, saw something special early.

Howard first met Winslow while working for Lucas and has become a mentor of sorts. He was usually on the other side of the text or phone call, meeting Winslow for those early-morning workouts before the school day began.

"When I saw Justise in the seventh or eighth grade, I knew he was going to be special," Howard said. "He had a high basketball IQ and really knew how to play at that young of an age. It was one of those things where you thought, 'Yeah, this kid is going to be going somewhere.'"

So it seems like Winslow checks all the boxes as a prospect.

In terms of his "fit" with the current roster, as a 6'6" projected SG/SF, I'm inclined to answer that 1) "fit" doesn't matter for the Magic, since none of these players are really untouchable, and 2) his defensive versatility would allow him to fit with the current squad. The DX video said he's great at defending the P&R, and he effectively defended college 4s. If he can defend NBA PFs (like Draymond Green, Paul Millsap, and Chuck Hayes, who are about his height), then he can co-exist just fine with Aaron Gordon -- who is a SF that cannot guard NBA PFs -- or with Tobias, or Oladipo, or whoever.

You could play lineups like:

Payton, Oladipo, Gordon, Winslow, Vucevic
Payton, Oladipo, Harris, Winslow, Dedmon
Payton, Fournier, Gordon, Winslow, Dedmon

...and always have at least 4 capable defenders on the floor at a time.


On paper, once you get past his 6'6" height, he reads like a better-passing, better-defending Tobias Harris. (Note: according to combine numbers, he's only ~1 inch shorter than Tobias, and his standing reach is actually an inch higher than Tobias's: 8'8.5" vs. 8'7.5"). So if nothing else, he would be great insurance in the event that Tobias maxes out with some other team.

[TreasureCoast]

Can the people who voted for Winslow show your hands? Why him?

Extremely athletic, high bball IQ, amazing defensive instincts and can hit the 3. Contrary to what others have said, I think he fits amazingly on this team. We would have 3 guys who can play multiple positions (VO can play the 1/2, Winslow can play the 2/3 and Gordon can play the 3/4.) That would make us dynamic and allow us to create matchup problems for the other team. In the era of stretch 4s, teams going small and the importance of defending the pick and roll, I think we are creating the new wave team. At least that is my logic.

I know a lot of people are high on other players because of what they can do on offense. But I think we have our guy that is going to have the ball in his hands most of the time in Payton. I think we need a lot of guys who can play with or without the ball.

You would play two undersized wings and an undersized PF (Aaron Gordon)...next to Vucevic?

Oladipo 6' 3.25" 213lb wingspan 6' 9.25" standing reach 8' 4.5"
Winslow 6' 4.5" 222lb wingspan 6' 10.25" standing reach 8' 8.5"
Gordon 6' 7.25" 220 wingspan 6'11.75" standing reach 8' 9"

...sounds like a great plan

fyi...the matchup problems would be ours

You're stuck in the 90s buddy