DMC would Love to be a Knick......

[Rip2137]

And Marion for one of those deals. If chandler parsons got that much money, SOMEONE will pay demare too.

[td00]

Kris Middleton is going to get 12 million at least I think. I think demarre is playing his way into the same.

This year's top SFs (exluding the Top tier):

28 Parsons 14.7
43 Batum 11.765
50 Gallinari 10.854
54 Wallace(BOS) 10.105
61 Young (NJ) 9.41
63 Green 9.2
67 Ariza 8.579
79 Prince 7.707
93 WChandler 6.757
109 Tucker 5.7
113 Wiggins 5.51
118 Webster 5.381
121 Pierce 5.305
128 MKG 5.016

I easily see DeMarre getting into the Young/Green territory....like a Millsap level contract. It would not shock me if ATL gets their deal done July 1 either so there's not a chance the number skyrockets.

[Rip2137]

I see him easily getting the Batum numbers unless he gets a massive drop off in play(and with a possible butler matchup on the horizon it could possibly happen.)

[jayu70]

My initial thought to start the season was $5 mil. With the new CBA on the horizon he'll get more. His improved play throughout the season and his explosion in the playoffs will get him about $8-$10 million.

[HMFFL]

So much interest that we might not be able to keep him.
I'm leaning that we don't.

[Jamaaliver]

So much interest that we might not be able to keep him.
I'm leaning that we don't.

Agreed. He's been great, but we can't start treating role players like irreplaceable superstars. Yes, we can afford to pay him 4x what he makes now. Doesn't mean we should.

By no means should we even consider paying DMC more than what Korver makes ($6 million), more than Teague makes ($8 million), comparable to what Horford makes ($12 million).

You don't pay role players superstar money. There's always another young, hungry guy willing to put in the work at a lower price. Just waiting for the chance to prove himself.

[azuresou1]

So much interest that we might not be able to keep him.
I'm leaning that we don't.

Agreed. He's been great, but we can't start treating role players like irreplaceable superstars. Yes, we can afford to pay him 4x what he makes now. Doesn't mean we should.

By no means should we even consider paying DMC more than what Korver makes ($6 million), more than Teague makes ($8 million), comparable to what Horford makes ($12 million).

You don't pay role players superstar money. There's always another young, hungry guy willing to put in the work at a lower price. Just waiting for the chance to prove himself.

Look up what most half decent wings get paid and read up on the new salary cap. $10M isn't superstar money, under the new CBA it's middle class starter money.

[Jamaaliver]

Dug up this old Grantland article on team execs all trying to find the 'next' Demarre.

This guy sounds like he could be an intriguing replacement:

Jae Crowder (Restricted Free Agent)

Perhaps the league’s closest thing to 2013 Carroll, though Crowder has been jacking 3s since the day he entered the league. He has never hit a league-average mark from deep, and he’s actually gotten worse — 29 percent — since earning a larger role in Boston. But the Celtics have also given Crowder freedom to stretch himself — to try contested 3s, run some pick-and-rolls, and attack off the dribble. He’s fared better than expected, even with the inevitable hiccups, and might be ready for a bigger role on the right team.

Dallas officials were confident they could turn Crowder into an above-average 3-point shooter, and if he can get his corner 3 mark back to where it was last season, Crowder could get there soon. He’s a rugged defender capable of guarding pretty much any wing player, and Brad Stevens has even had him defend both power forwards and centers — including Al Jefferson — as part of smaller lineups. Quicker guards give Crowder issues, but he moves his feet well.

Crowder won’t ever be close to a primary option on offense, but his high-IQ work within Boston’s pace-and-space system has been a refreshing surprise. He spends most of his time off the ball, in a position where his defender is lurching into the paint to help on the main action:

[Jamaaliver]

Kick the ball to Crowder there and he can shoot 3s, pass, or drive. He’s pulled off all three, even if too many of his drives end in long pull-up 2s; Crowder doesn’t have the speed or explosion to get to the rim consistently, though he is powerful enough to finish through contact when he gets there.

Best of all, he is an unselfish ball-mover. He makes touch passes around the perimeter and makes the right drive-and-kick passes. Every team wants to play like the Spurs, but to do that, you need a bunch of smart, unselfish players capable of snap reads. Crowder may fit the bill.

He’s a small uptick in shooting from being a legit starting wing. Boston will have matching rights on Crowder, but a smart team might be able to pry him away with a strong offer. Bargains are harder to find on the wing, but some guys always fall through the cracks.

He is a restricted Free Agent, so there is always the chance Boston could match our offer. But he is my pick for Demarre's replacement. And the extra saved money can be used to pursue Jimmy Butler.

[Jamaaliver]

From CBSSports:

Carroll's price going up

The Hawks face a dilemma in trying to retain both of their key unrestricted free agents, Paul Millsap and DeMarre Carroll. Rival teams are keeping their ears to the ground for word on how high Carroll's price will go after his string of brilliant postseason performances; one estimate from a rival exec pegged the figure in the $9-12 million range. But with so many teams having max room, the cap spiking in 2016-17 and the knowledge that the Hawks don't have enough room to max out both players, Carroll's value could creep even higher. If a bidding war ensues for Carroll, rival teams believe the Hawks will lose him. Bear in mind that a deal starting at $9 million in 2015-16 will look like a bargain-basement price once the cap rises to as much as $89 million next summer. Smart teams with ample room this summer already have adjusted their salary expectations to reflect the cap spike, meaning that numbers that in the past would've been viewed as overpaying will be regarded as a discount.

DMC deserves the raise. He's been fantastic from day one. But I want to find the next DMC. At a cheap price. I'd much rather use that extra money to attract talent to the franchise. With 60 wins, a division title, Coach of the Year on the bench...we're a much more attractive destination than a year ago when we were a losing team with a bunch of nobodies & an oft-injured franchise player.

Use that money and good press to attract rising stars approaching their prime!!!

[MaceCase]

The only issue I see with Demarre is that paying him his market rate is going to cost the Hawks cap space as it well exceeds his EBM. At the same time, if you don't have the space to dole out ~12 million to him then you don't have it to dole out ~15 million to Kawhi/Draymond/Butler and then hoping that their original teams don't match. Of course, this is assuming you can lure them first with all the bigger markets also having plenty to spend. Sure Bud, the wins, etc. are nice but these younger guys also tend to be more interested in making names for themselves than they are trying to fit into a system (see: Johnson, Joe).

Additionally, it doesn't send a good message when a conference finalist is willing to ruin continuity by jettisoning their best playoff performer over a trivial amount of money. Will that same mentality be true when Al and then Jeffrey are up for new deals? Do they have trust in management if they are trying to catch lightning in a bottle twice by replacing such a consistent performer and character with a neophyte once they can't get an upgrade? This isn't like handing out $124 million to Joe Johnson on a team with a low ceiling given their current talent level, limited depth behind them, and the inability to actually sign players beyond the vet minimum or a MLE that would push owners (that needed every last handout possible from the NBA just to keep the lights on) into the luxury tax.

Resigning Demarre this summer doesn't put the Hawks anywhere near the lux tax this year and even with raises, whatever amount he signed for becomes a drop in the bucket in not even a year's time. When you're knocking on the championship window you do your best to capitalize on it. You do whatever is within your power to maintain continuity, if guys go off to other ventures then so be it but don't have it that you won't even entertain retaining them at market rates because you can't grasp the bigger financial picture. This isn't the championship Mavs team where they had to break it up right after because they had a team already deep into the lux tax on the eve of a new CBA that would severely hamper their ability to improve and a core of guys already in their mid-30s seeking deals that would pay them closer to their 40s. All of these worries over guy's ages are 3-4 years premature for the Hawks.

[improper]

Kris Middleton is going to get 12 million at least I think. I think demarre is playing his way into the same.

This year's top SFs (exluding the Top tier):

28 Parsons 14.7
43 Batum 11.765
50 Gallinari 10.854
54 Wallace(BOS) 10.105
61 Young (NJ) 9.41
63 Green 9.2
67 Ariza 8.579
79 Prince 7.707
93 WChandler 6.757
109 Tucker 5.7
113 Wiggins 5.51
118 Webster 5.381
121 Pierce 5.305
128 MKG 5.016

I easily see DeMarre getting into the Young/Green territory....like a Millsap level contract. It would not shock me if ATL gets their deal done July 1 either so there's not a chance the number skyrockets.

The problem with those numbers is that guys are going to get paid this summer by teams who know that the cap is about to jump forty million. Bad contracts next year will turn into fair value the following summer. Carroll is going to make at least ten million a year this summer. At least.

Also, why would Carroll sign a deal on July 1st unless it's a max? It makes more sense for him to shop around given all the teams that have cap space and teams willing to overpay for wings.

[Jamaaliver]

Brian Windhorst speculates on ESPN that demarre won't play for a while, partly out of concern for his Free Agency this summer.

Here about mid way through.

[DirtybirdGA]

A while may mean Sunday, lol