Draft Thread: Who do you want with the 13th pick? Stanley Johnson and WCS added..change votes if you want

[Mr-Al]

Credit to SunsFanSSOL for this....

http://www.bazegod.com/sports/2015/5/20 ... white-nope

No Porzingis please. Nope.

Yeah, Porzingis is getting really overrated right now.
Bargnani 2.0

there's a limit to how much scouting a fan can really do using just the internet

He could be terrible or he could be really good, none of us know

however the FO has access to way more data than we do

McD has real information about him and if he drafts him and believe's in his potential, then that's fine by me

imo I would prefer Winslow, an McD type of player defined (besides Towns and maybe Mudiay)

[Mr-Al]

Have to try to get pick 4.
It's almost certain Mudiay will be there.

Are the Knicks interested on Bledsoe?


Then... try to get Pistons pick 8.
Morris twins and Tucker as baits.
Winslow or Turner.

absolutely no way Winslow is there at 8

Turner probably will be though

[Mr-Al]

Somebody will pick this guy and in a 4-5 years time will have one of the best players in the NBA. Think of a James Harden with a great defense.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQvdekpUz6U[/youtube]

I would trade all the Bledsoe's in the world for Winslow

I talked to too many people at the Combine that are not as sold on Winslow as the fans and media are. Could be good.

https://mobile.twitter.com/stevekylerNB ... 5052602368

Sheridan has Stanley Jhonson over Winslow in his latest mock draft too. Winslow probably will fall around #8 or #9, hopefully we can work a trade with Detroit and grab him.

lol wut no


absolutely no way that Winslow falls to #8 or #9

Probably 5% chance he makes it past 6th

By Detriot's pick, basically all of the top level talent will be gone

Hezonja and WCS will probably be the only second-tier guys left at picks 7-9 and I doubt we trade up to get them

[Ryu]

Winslow won`t slide past Orlando. We need that 4th pick if we are smart enough to pick him.

[thamadkant]

Suns / Lakers / Knicks


Suns / Knicks
Marcus Morris, Markieff Morris, Pick 13
For
Pick 4, Calderon


Suns / Lakers
Pick 4, Bledsoe, Tucker
For
Randle OR Hill, Pick 2



Suns drafts D'Angelo Russell at 2.
Lakers draft Jahil Okafor at 4.

Why for Knicks?
They sign Deandre Jordan... get their PF.... next move is to get a PG at 13.

Why for Lakers?
They miss out on Towns, but knows Okafor will be available at 4.
They trade Randle or Hill, get Bledsoe.

Bledsoe, Kobe, Okafor, Hill OR Randle, Clarkson and some change to improve some more.

Why for Suns?
Gets their PG/SG who can shoot in Russell.
Gets either Randle or Hill as PF next to Len.
Gets a smart veteran in Calderon.

[JMac1]

I love the pre-draft fantasy trades.......You guys know good and damn well we will be drafting number 13. You should be looking at who will be available at 13, because we never trade during or pre draft.

In a few years we won't have to trade up, we will be bad enough to pick in place of the 6ers, Wolves, Pistons, Jazz et al because they all have talent and high picks because they played their young guys; we have people here who say play PJ........I would love to have seen Warren get the burn Rodney Hood received.

But play PJ, pick 13 and then make ridiculous trade offers on RealGM.


We have nothing to trade......NOTHING!!

[JMac1]

One more thing, the fantasy of trading Bledsoe overpaid ass and Markief mediocre ass...it is to laugh.

[Mr-Al]

Winslow won`t slide past Orlando. We need that 4th pick if we are smart enough to pick him.

this ^

[Mr-Al]

Suns / Lakers / Knicks


Suns / Knicks
Marcus Morris, Markieff Morris, Pick 13
For
Pick 4, Calderon
.

lol wut no

does Phil Jackson have a brain injury?

You would barely get the 7th or 8th pick with that if even

Suns / Lakers
Pick 4, Bledsoe, Tucker
For
Randle OR Hill, Pick 2

god no
If I already have the 4th pick which I magically traded absolutely nothing to get, no way is Bledsoe getting traded just to move up two spots. Randle OR Hill is a humongous **** OR

The only trade that actually makes some semblance of sense is trading Bledsoe and whatever else is necessary for the 4th pick

that's it

if you can't do it, hold on to Bledsoe

[RunDogGun]

I love the pre-draft fantasy trades.......You guys know good and damn well we will be drafting number 13. You should be looking at who will be available at 13, because we never trade during or pre draft.

In a few years we won't have to trade up, we will be bad enough to pick in place of the 6ers, Wolves, Pistons, Jazz et al because they all have talent and high picks because they played their young guys; we have people here who say play PJ........I would love to have seen Warren get the burn Rodney Hood received.

But play PJ, pick 13 and then make ridiculous trade offers on RealGM.


We have nothing to trade......NOTHING!!

Why should we play Warren, he was the 14th pick? (Green font)

Hood got many minutes because Burks went down, and they really didn't have many options.

PJ is one of our best defenders, and our most versatile defender, it isn't dumb to want him to be on the floor. If Warren can be as good as a defender as PJ, then there shouldn't be an argument. Also, one doesn't hinder the other in minutes, for PJ can see minutes at two other positions.

[Safety Pickle]

Have to try to get pick 4.
It's almost certain Mudiay will be there.

Are the Knicks interested on Bledsoe?


Then... try to get Pistons pick 8.
Morris twins and Tucker as baits.
Winslow or Turner.

I gotta say that would be beyond awesome. I think definitely that bledsoe and perhaps green or markieff as a filler could definitely secure us the #4 from new york.


But what exactly do the pistons covet most, that could help us snag the #8 ? Perhaps marcus morris, granger, and a future conditional first? Would that be enough, or how should we tweak it?

Think about it like you're the Pistons. Why would you trade the 8th overall pick for an average rotation player (morris), a player coming off injuries that has missed a ton of time recently (granger) and what would probably be a crap pick?

If we want a top 10 pick we're going to have to give up something of value, not just our scraps

[NavLDO]

I love the pre-draft fantasy trades.......You guys know good and damn well we will be drafting number 13. You should be looking at who will be available at 13, because we never trade during or pre draft.

In a few years we won't have to trade up, we will be bad enough to pick in place of the 6ers, Wolves, Pistons, Jazz et al because they all have talent and high picks because they played their young guys; we have people here who say play PJ........I would love to have seen Warren get the burn Rodney Hood received.

But play PJ, pick 13 and then make ridiculous trade offers on RealGM.


We have nothing to trade......NOTHING!!

Have to agree--to a point. We have nothing fans would be WILLING to trade. I'd argue Len and Warren have some value, but Bledsoe and his overpriced contract, the MoBros and their legal issues/mediocre play, PJ and his 'heart and soul' play/'glue-guy' status, or any other combination of players aren't getting us didlisquat.

That's not to say that Knight and/or Bledsoe won't explode this season, or the MoBros are cleared and play their best season, but RIGHT NOW, they do not have any positive value. In fact, last off-season, Kieff actually had some positive value, but not now.

We need to just draft 13, hope we can sign Knight to $11-12M or less, play our young guys in Len, Goodwin, and Warren and HOPEFULLY, our new rookie PF we draft at 13, and hope for the best. And if we fail spectacularly, we'll draft higher next year, and if not, we'll be in the playoffs, but honestly feel it will be one or the other, and not another 'drafting 13th' year.

[JohnWall2]

I love the pre-draft fantasy trades.......You guys know good and damn well we will be drafting number 13. You should be looking at who will be available at 13, because we never trade during or pre draft.

In a few years we won't have to trade up, we will be bad enough to pick in place of the 6ers, Wolves, Pistons, Jazz et al because they all have talent and high picks because they played their young guys; we have people here who say play PJ........I would love to have seen Warren get the burn Rodney Hood received.

But play PJ, pick 13 and then make ridiculous trade offers on RealGM.


We have nothing to trade......NOTHING!!

I think you have hit the nail on the head there man. Why we don't play our young guys is beyond me, we are continually striving for mediocrity and as a result continually pick 13/14th each year. Its a pointless exercise and because of this attitude we just aren't improving. Next season we need to play Len, TJ, Goodwin and the rookie we pick at 13 and we need to give them decent mins. Guys like PJ Tucker can come off the bench which is where he belongs anyway, we should look to trade him and the twins for sure. Bledsoe too probably, time to retool and do it properly.

[bwgood77]

I love the pre-draft fantasy trades.......You guys know good and damn well we will be drafting number 13. You should be looking at who will be available at 13, because we never trade during or pre draft.

In a few years we won't have to trade up, we will be bad enough to pick in place of the 6ers, Wolves, Pistons, Jazz et al because they all have talent and high picks because they played their young guys; we have people here who say play PJ........I would love to have seen Warren get the burn Rodney Hood received.

But play PJ, pick 13 and then make ridiculous trade offers on RealGM.


We have nothing to trade......NOTHING!!

Why should we play Warren, he was the 14th pick? (Green font)

Hood got many minutes because Burks went down, and they really didn't have many options.

PJ is one of our best defenders, and our most versatile defender, it isn't dumb to want him to be on the floor. If Warren can be as good as a defender as PJ, then there shouldn't be an argument. Also, one doesn't hinder the other in minutes, for PJ can see minutes at two other positions.

I like Tucker, and I wouldn't mind if he started the first 10 games or so of the season (as long as Warren got more and more time) but I would want Warren starting by quarter mark at the latest.

Now if we started off gangbusters and went like 8-2 it's hard to change, so that is fine, and I can see a scenario where Tucker starts until around the trade deadline for trade purposes.

I think our best trade assets are probably Kieff and actually Tucker. I think many teams that want to fight in the playoffs and have their stars would love to have a Tucker to do the little things, and he is cheap.

But Warren NEEDS to get 25+ minutes a game and hopefully 30+ by the end of the season. Why do I want him to play more than Tucker? Because he is probably the one player out of everyone on our roster that has a somewhat of a chance at being an all star. Don't get me wrong, I love Len, and I think he will be rock solid, but I'm not ready to say Len is going to be a top big in the west and get anywhere near the level of Cousins, Davis, Duncan, etc.

I think Warren though has that chance to be one of the better scorers in the league that can just score in multiple ways. If he develops a little more of an outside shot, he will be a lethal scorer. His floater and put backs are a thing of beauty. He always knows where to be.

I understand why you like Tucker, but he is likely not a part of our long term future and we likely are not winning a playoff series while he is around, so other than being a good on court role model for maybe another half year until we trade him or until this contract runs out should be it. I wouldn't mind if we kept him down the road as an 8th man or something, because he does some good things and plays hard, but you can't take minutes from Warren just to keep him on the floor. That's silly at this point.

[bwgood77]

I love the pre-draft fantasy trades.......You guys know good and damn well we will be drafting number 13. You should be looking at who will be available at 13, because we never trade during or pre draft.

In a few years we won't have to trade up, we will be bad enough to pick in place of the 6ers, Wolves, Pistons, Jazz et al because they all have talent and high picks because they played their young guys; we have people here who say play PJ........I would love to have seen Warren get the burn Rodney Hood received.

But play PJ, pick 13 and then make ridiculous trade offers on RealGM.


We have nothing to trade......NOTHING!!

I think you have hit the nail on the head there man. Why we don't play our young guys is beyond me, we are continually striving for mediocrity and as a result continually pick 13/14th each year. Its a pointless exercise and because of this attitude we just aren't improving. Next season we need to play Len, TJ, Goodwin and the rookie we pick at 13 and we need to give them decent mins. Guys like PJ Tucker can come off the bench which is where he belongs anyway, we should look to trade him and the twins for sure. Bledsoe too probably, time to retool and do it properly.

Well, Len was playing big minutes until he went down and I imagine the same will happen with Warren. I don't mind letting them develop for a year, and I think it will maybe even help them to work harder in the offseason after their rookie year if they get limited minutes. The team talked about how much Len had improved when he came back after the offseason. Does he improve that much if he was handed a ton of playing time as a rookie? Maybe. I don't know. But you can bet that Warren is going to work very hard this summer, work on his shot, come back, and be even better after this summer.

I agree they need to all get major minutes, and Tucker or Marcus Morris should not be getting minutes at the expense of Warren. Hopefully we can immediately trade Marcus once this case gets resolved, and if not, like I've said before, unless he is completely shaped up, I'd waive him...at least at the first opportunity he messes up again, yells at coach, gets a bunch of unnecessary techs, off court problems, etc. Eat the $20 million because Kieff is probably really worth that entire combined contract anyway, and is VERY trade-able at the $8 million price. Not that I'd trade him. That's one of the best bargains in the league. It would be nice to find an even better PF and have him be a sixth man, but that's not a bad price for someone who would be one hell of a 6th man and is still a solid starter.

[nevetsov]

Personally I want the Suns to always have one of them on the floor, play each a total of 32 minutes, 16 with each other and 16 with a sharpshooting traditional 2 who also gets 32 minutes. That leaves us with no real subpar pg on the floor ever.

So no Archie then?

I don't like that because we risk more in case of injury. You're putting your eggs in 3 very role specific baskets there. We pretty much need 2 guys on reserve, who won't play on a normal game day. Someone goes down and all of a sudden we have a D-League scrub playing 15 mins as backup point, and a journeyman gunner like Thornton doing the same at SG (out of rhythm from inconsistent minutes).

I like the following mix of skill sets:

Knight (shooter) + Goodwin (slasher)
Bledsoe (slasher) + "shooter" (Bullock? Bogdanovic?)

Knight and Bledsoe works in theory offensively, but to make this your primary backcourt lineup just exposes you too much defensively.

Archie IMO has a very similar (albeit much much raw) skillet compared to Bledsoe but in more of a traditional SG frame. I'm really looking forward to seeing how the Knight/Goodwin combo works out - it could resemble the style of a Chalmers/ Wade pairing.

If we can get value for Bled I'd be willing to pull the trigger - imagine landing a top 6 pick for essentially Jared Dudley and a 2nd rounder...

[RunDogGun]

I'm not sure what reality some of you guys think you're living in, but it seems clear that the assets we have are going to be used to grab a star. Next, it seems very clear that until our youngins can outplay the guys ahead of them, they aren't going to get big minutes, regardless of what fans think. And when those youngins do that, then the unneeded players will be shipped out, like Plumlee was after Len took the starting job.

It doesn't seem like this coaching staff, and many other coaching staffs like to do trial by fire. It usually only happens if there are injuries, necessity, or top picks that the potential is so high, they earn those spots.

Our main issues were lack of floor leadership, it seems counter productive to keep rebuilding every offseason, when changes haven't even had time to gel.

Warren will get minutes this upcoming season, as will Len, hopefully he is healthy enough to play those minutes. Unless we grab a guy at 13, who shows maturity, and quick understanding of both offense and defense, I wouldn't expect to see them get a lot of playing time. Goodwin, I'm still not sure about, especially after his media back and forth with Hornacek, and understanding roles.

I still would like to see more Bullock.

But I think many of you have gone mad if you think Hornacek is going to dump Tucker or deeply bench him, because you think the only way to develop youth is by giving them big minutes.

[MrMiyagi]

F*ck it, I say draft Rondae and call it a day.

[bwgood77]

Personally I want the Suns to always have one of them on the floor, play each a total of 32 minutes, 16 with each other and 16 with a sharpshooting traditional 2 who also gets 32 minutes. That leaves us with no real subpar pg on the floor ever.

So no Archie then?

I don't like that because we risk more in case of injury. You're putting your eggs in 3 very role specific baskets there. We pretty much need 2 guys on reserve, who won't play on a normal game day. Someone goes down and all of a sudden we have a D-League scrub playing 15 mins as backup point, and a journeyman gunner like Thornton doing the same at SG (out of rhythm from inconsistent minutes).

I like the following mix of skill sets:

Knight (shooter) + Goodwin (slasher)
Bledsoe (slasher) + "shooter" (Bullock? Bogdanovic?)

Knight and Bledsoe works in theory offensively, but to make this your primary backcourt lineup just exposes you too much defensively.

Archie IMO has a very similar (albeit much much raw) skillet compared to Bledsoe but in more of a traditional SG frame. I'm really looking forward to seeing how the Knight/Goodwin combo works out - it could resemble the style of a Chalmers/ Wade pairing.

If we can get value for Bled I'd be willing to pull the trigger - imagine landing a top 6 pick for essentially Jared Dudley and a 2nd rounder...

Archie can be that third guy if he can learn to shoot, and we need depth, so I'm not saying those minutes would be perfect. But Knight and Bledsoe wouldn't necessarily be our primary backcourt in my scenario...they would only play together maybe 1/3 of the time. I just like the idea of always having one of them on the floor. Knight would probably work well with Archie as you mention, but I think many of us would like to get a nice sharpshooting traditional 2, and I wouldn't want to cap his minutes just to get Archie time because everyone loves Archie.

[RunDogGun]

Personally I want the Suns to always have one of them on the floor, play each a total of 32 minutes, 16 with each other and 16 with a sharpshooting traditional 2 who also gets 32 minutes. That leaves us with no real subpar pg on the floor ever.

So no Archie then?

I don't like that because we risk more in case of injury. You're putting your eggs in 3 very role specific baskets there. We pretty much need 2 guys on reserve, who won't play on a normal game day. Someone goes down and all of a sudden we have a D-League scrub playing 15 mins as backup point, and a journeyman gunner like Thornton doing the same at SG (out of rhythm from inconsistent minutes).

I like the following mix of skill sets:

Knight (shooter) + Goodwin (slasher)
Bledsoe (slasher) + "shooter" (Bullock? Bogdanovic?)

Knight and Bledsoe works in theory offensively, but to make this your primary backcourt lineup just exposes you too much defensively.

Archie IMO has a very similar (albeit much much raw) skillet compared to Bledsoe but in more of a traditional SG frame. I'm really looking forward to seeing how the Knight/Goodwin combo works out - it could resemble the style of a Chalmers/ Wade pairing.

If we can get value for Bled I'd be willing to pull the trigger - imagine landing a top 6 pick for essentially Jared Dudley and a 2nd rounder...

That's the exact pairing I suggested to finish the season: Knight/Goodwin, Bledsoe/Bullock, but I'm guessing that the young guys weren't cutting the mustard like most of us hoped. After Goodwin questioned his role, and Hornacek volleyed, with you're a basketball player, your role is to play basketball, I just don't know if Goodwin is smart enough for Hornacek. Hopefully it was just a young kid and inexperience, and hopefully Hornacek doesn't hold a grudge.