The #2 Pick

ArC_man · Post #201 » by **ArC_man** » Fri May 22, 2015 8:24 pm

Looks much leaner now:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/P3sportscience/status/601827256080576512[/tweet]

RJM · Post #202 » by **RJM** » Fri May 22, 2015 11:58 pm

Unless the guard is a virtual lock coming out of college and there are no franchise big men already on the roster, you always draft big. I love what Russell might become, but Okafor is the choice.

DEEP3CL · Post #203 » by **DEEP3CL** » Sat May 23, 2015 12:11 am

I'm not brushing Okafor's defensively liabilities under the rug, I know he needs work. I saw a lot of his games and I know that his defense can improve with first conditioning and learning NBA style techniques.

RJM · Post #204 » by **RJM** » Sat May 23, 2015 12:17 am

DEEP3CL wrote:I'm not brushing Okafor's defensively liabilities under the rug, I know he needs work. I saw a lot of his games and I know that his defense can improve with first conditioning and learning NBA style techniques.

Personally, I feel like it would benefit both teams if Minnesota drafted Okafor and let KG groom him defensively while LA ended up with Karl Towns, who will develop on his own regardless of if LA signs DeAndre Jordan or not.

DEEP3CL · Post #205 » by **DEEP3CL** » Sat May 23, 2015 12:23 am

RJM wrote:
DEEP3CL wrote:I'm not brushing Okafor's defensively liabilities under the rug, I know he needs work. I saw a lot of his games and I know that his defense can improve with first conditioning and learning NBA style techniques.

Personally, I feel like it would benefit both teams if Minnesota drafted Okafor and let KG groom him defensively while LA ended up with Karl Towns.

In a perfect world yes that would seem logical, but pretty sure Flip and Glen Taylor are gonna feel pressured to take what their industry experts say they shout take. By that account Towns is what scouts say is the safest bet. And in my opinion I think Towns fits better in terms of not dominating the ball from Wiggins. It's clear or it should be that the T-Wolves will be "Wiggins team". The building of that team will focus around his skills.

DEEP3CL · Post #206 » by **DEEP3CL** » Sat May 23, 2015 12:27 am

ArC_man wrote:Looks much leaner now:

Great vid...feet doesn't seem slow to me. Also he has lost like 20 lbs or so, looks good and can only help his conditioning.

iamworthy · Post #207 » by **iamworthy** » Sat May 23, 2015 12:32 am

I want Okafor. I hope he's there after the wolves make their pic.

LApwnd · Post #208 » by **LApwnd** » Sat May 23, 2015 12:42 am

DEEP3CL wrote:
RJM wrote:
DEEP3CL wrote:I'm not brushing Okafor's defensively liabilities under the rug, I know he needs work. I saw a lot of his games and I know that his defense can improve with first conditioning and learning NBA style techniques.

Personally, I feel like it would benefit both teams if Minnesota drafted Okafor and let KG groom him defensively while LA ended up with Karl Towns.
In a perfect world yes that would seem logical, but pretty sure Flip and Glen Taylor are gonna feel pressured to take what their industry experts say they shout take. By that account Towns is what scouts say is the safest bet. And in my opinion I think Towns fits better in terms of not dominating the ball from Wiggins. It's clear or it should be that the T-Wolves will be "Wiggins team". The building of that team will focus around his skills.

Analyst are saying Towns has the higher upside, Okafor is the safer bet. Personally I think Minn should take Okafor, they've been pretty bad at developing talent, that's why majority of their picks in the last 10 yrs aren't relevant or even on their team anymore. Only pick prior to this past season that were relevant was Rubio and Love and Rubio is still avg to me besides his passing he doesn't bring much to the table.

myersia · Post #209 » by **myersia** » Sat May 23, 2015 12:47 am

Okafor all day everyday

rzzzzz · Post #210 » by **rzzzzz** » Sat May 23, 2015 12:48 am

so the Wolves board is polling whether they should take Towns or Okafor, you guys are polling Okafor or Russell, the Sixer board is polling Russell or Mudiay, and the Knicks Board is kind of all over the place, including a heated discussion about Stephen A calling for heads to roll because the team didn't manage to lose 2 more games. wonder what Jeannie and Phil are saying about it.

Tarik_shaq · Post #211 » by **Tarik_shaq** » Sat May 23, 2015 12:52 am

i have some kind of superstition that with the lasts 7-8 drafts after durant, the no.2 pick has been an utter failure. hopefully it wont be the case with okafor

Dr Aki · Post #212 » by **Dr Aki** » Sat May 23, 2015 12:53 am

rzzzzz wrote:so the Wolves board is polling whether they should take Towns or Okafor, you guys are polling Okafor or Russell, the Sixer board is polling Russell or Mudiay, and the Knicks Board is kind of all over the place, including a heated discussion about Stephen A calling for heads to roll because the team didn't manage to lose 2 more games. wonder what Jeannie and Phil are saying about it.

losing more games does not equate to winning the lottery

who's to say those combinations would've been NY's instead of minnesota's, or to say the ping pong balls would've bounced the same way in alternate universe land?

Post #213 » by **dockingsched** » Sat May 23, 2015 12:59 am

According to Chad Ford if Towns goes first the Lakers will focus almost exclusively on Okafor. If Okafor goes first, they'll consider Russell and Mudiay just as much as Towns.

rzzzzz · Post #214 » by **rzzzzz** » Sat May 23, 2015 1:00 am

exactly. they're just sore 'cause they probably won't get a big, even though the 4 pick doesn't look bad at all this year.

RJM · Post #215 » by **RJM** » Sat May 23, 2015 1:02 am

LApwnd wrote:
DEEP3CL wrote:
RJM wrote:
Personally, I feel like it would benefit both teams if Minnesota drafted Okafor and let KG groom him defensively while LA ended up with Karl Towns.
In a perfect world yes that would seem logical, but pretty sure Flip and Glen Taylor are gonna feel pressured to take what their industry experts say they shout take. By that account Towns is what scouts say is the safest bet. And in my opinion I think Towns fits better in terms of not dominating the ball from Wiggins. It's clear or it should be that the T-Wolves will be "Wiggins team". The building of that team will focus around his skills.

Analyst are saying Towns has the higher upside, Okafor is the safer bet. Personally I think Minn should take Okafor, they've been pretty bad at developing talent, that's why majority of their picks in the last 10 yrs aren't relevant or even on their team anymore. Only pick prior to this past season was Rubio and Love and Rubio is still avg to me besides his passing he doesn't bring much to the table.

Which is funny because I remember this board salivating over Rubio a while ago.

Post #216 » by **dockingsched** » Sat May 23, 2015 1:09 am

ArC_man wrote:Looks much leaner now:

https://twitter.com/P3sportscience/stat ... 6080576512

Under the lakers guidance I have no concerns

Sedale Threatt · Post #217 » by **Sedale Threatt** » Sat May 23, 2015 1:59 am

Kid looks lean and mean. I like it.

Luciferswings · Post #218 » by **Luciferswings** » Sat May 23, 2015 2:04 am

Unless there is an injury issue I can't believe the Wolves would pass on Towns. Towns and Okafor looked comparably impactful by the time the tournament rolled around, despite college play maximising Okafor's skill set, and the NBA hurting it a lot (while maximising Towns skill set). The safe pick and the smart pick at #1 are the same pick; Towns.

NBAWestFan · Post #219 » by **NBAWestFan** » Sat May 23, 2015 4:20 am

I would look hard at Mudiay. He is a lot more athletic than Russell and of course Towns and Okafor.

Bring them all four at the sametime and put Towns and Mudiay vs Okafor and Russell
Then, Bring in 6 more Defenders and go 5 on 5 and see what happens.

Then bring in more another day.

Towns, Russell, WCS, Stanley Johnson with Randle vs Okafor, Winslow, Mudiay, Porzingis or Kaminsky, with Julius Randle Switching back and forth with another PF or use a Defender PF or Jordan Hill.

Then mix them up with Towns, Winslow, Kaminsky, Randle, Mudiay vs Okafor, SJ, Clarkson, Hill, WCS

This too me would be more interesting than any silly workouts.

I doubt it would be allowed but it would give the Lakers a preview and also a good chance to see who is
who in the pecking order of the best prospects.

Mirjalovic · Post #220 » by **Mirjalovic** » Sat May 23, 2015 4:24 am

Okafor Okafor Okafor Okafor Okafor Okafor Okafor Okafor.

Okafor and Randle, man.. it's so easy to build around them, just slide 1 creator (hopefully Clarkson could do that) and 2 perimeter defender and shooter.. it's fantastic.

as for Mudiay, i think he could as good as Wall, but for cheaper PG alternative, i'll take a look moving up to get Tyus Jones (this guy seriously underrated, he's probably the best basketball mind in NCAA right now) or Delon Wright, and get Okafor

Who do we pick