FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread

[shtolky]

Question regarding the amount of cap space we have for going after FA...With Calderon on the team we would have around 29M in space assuming the 525k cap holds for empty roster spots. This doesn't include the 4th pick salary. Is that salary added to the cap figure, or only until the player is signed, presumably after free agency. That is, can we use our 29M in space, all of it, and THEN sign the 4th pick, or do we have to leave the 3.6M or so it would take to sign that player, presumably Mudiay. Thanks.



Edit: Never mind, I found the answer. The pick's salary slot is included among team's salary.

[Concrete Jungle]

My post was pure sarcasm as well. I have no issues with Melo.

[kej718]

I'm not a big bleacher report fan but they actually have some really good trade ideas in this article. Which one's would you guys do? I'd seriously think about a couple of these especially the one with the Bucks.
http://www.chatsports.com/new-york-knic ... 1-11454257

I was just about to post this. The only one I like is the Embiid trade (I suggested it in the previous page of this thread, they but be reading our stuff ).

Knicks trade #4 pick to 76ers for Joel Embiid
76ers can then get #3 D’Angelo Russell and #4 Justise Winslow They will still have Nerlens Noel and a lot of draft picks in the future to get another big man if they want to.

Knicks get a big 76ers get 2 top 5 picks (weren't they talking about trading Embiid in the past? What was all that about?)
What do you think is Embiid worth the risk, or should we play it safe and get a PG?

C
Joel Embiid
PF
LaMarcus Aldridge or Paul Millsap or Greg Monroe (sign 1 of these dudes)
SF
Carmelo Anthony
SG
Monta Ellis
PG
Langston Galloway

I think it helps both teams, but if I were the 76er's I would keep him. Knowing them if the Lakers were to somehow take Russell with the 2nd pick, they would still probably take another big man.

I like the lineup you made even though it is almost gonna be impossible for us to get LMA and M.Ellis but i wouldn't trade our pick for Embiid. Not because of his talent cause he has the talent i'd want but all the injuries he's already had to his foot and legs on a big man is way to much of a risk. I wouldn't do it because of that but i really like the trade with the Bucks where we get J.Henson, K.Middleton and the 17th pick for the 4th pick and of course the one where we get D.Cousins was good and i like the one that we trade our 4th pick and Calderon for T.Lawson and W.Chandler.

We could also go after Wesley Matthews (I know he injured his knee, but we can get him for cheap so it might be worth the risk). For the Knicks i don't see a quick fix with a forth pick so they have to think outside the box. I also like the K.Middleton trade scenario. Do the Bucks own the rights to Larry Sanders? or can another team sign him if he decided to play again. Embiid if healthy would be the best player in this years and last years draft which is why I would risk taking a chance on him. Other than that I think we should keep the pick and draft in this order:

D’Angelo Russell (NBA Comparison: Brandon Roy/Manu Ginobili
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/dangelo-russell)
Justise Winslow (NBA Comparison: James Harden/Wilson Chandler)
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/justise-winslow
Emmanuel Mudiay (NBA Comparison: John Wall. Not sure how he would work in the triangle. Did the Knicks even scout him? If not they probably did not think he would be a good fit) Out of the 3 people seem to talk about him like he has the most upside.
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/emmanuel-mudiay

This is what they were saying about Embiid last year
Joel Embiid (NBA Comparison: Tim Duncan/Akeem Olajuwon)
The 76er's would already have Noel and a lot of other future picks so maybe with his history of injuries they may moves him. It is not like they have not talked about it in the past. http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/236798/Report-76ers-Were-Willing-To-Discuss-Trade-Of-Joel-Embiid-For-2015-Pick
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/joel-embiid

[riter]

Embiid is a franchise/generational talent. He's better than any player in this draft.
I know Dolan would take this risk 10 out of 10 times. I know Isiah would too.
But would Phil.

[newyorker4ever]

Embiid is a franchise/generational talent. He's better than any player in this draft.
I know Dolan would take this risk 10 out of 10 times. I know Isiah would too.
But would Phil.

Please tell me just what knowledge of Embiid you're going off of to call him a franchise/generational talent for a kid that hasn't played a single game in the NBA yet and i'm not even sure if he ever even played a full season in college??

[NBA Fan 1234]

Embiid is a franchise/generational talent. He's better than any player in this draft.
I know Dolan would take this risk 10 out of 10 times. I know Isiah would too.
But would Phil.

Please tell me just what knowledge of Embiid you're going off of to call him a franchise/generational talent for a kid that hasn't played a single game in the NBA yet and i'm not even sure if he ever even played a full season in college??

His college play + projection. I'd agree he is a franchise talent, but it's 100% dependent on his health...which, as much as I love him, is a decently sized question mark.

[newyorker4ever]

Embiid is a franchise/generational talent. He's better than any player in this draft.
I know Dolan would take this risk 10 out of 10 times. I know Isiah would too.
But would Phil.

Please tell me just what knowledge of Embiid you're going off of to call him a franchise/generational talent for a kid that hasn't played a single game in the NBA yet and i'm not even sure if he ever even played a full season in college??

His college play + projection. I'd agree he is a franchise talent, but it's 100% dependent on his health...which, as much as I love him, is a decently sized question mark.

A big man that has a history of back and foot problems is a huge question mark and nobody knows if he has what it takes mentally to make it in the NBA but he definitely has talent but until he can show that talent at the NBA level he'll be a question mark.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Please tell me just what knowledge of Embiid you're going off of to call him a franchise/generational talent for a kid that hasn't played a single game in the NBA yet and i'm not even sure if he ever even played a full season in college??

His college play + projection. I'd agree he is a franchise talent, but it's 100% dependent on his health...which, as much as I love him, is a decently sized question mark.

A big man that has a history of back and foot problems is a huge question mark and nobody knows if he has what it takes mentally to make it in the NBA but he definitely has talent but until he can show that talent at the NBA level he'll be a question mark.

I think his talent makes there not be a question mark. It's just health with him. I've never seen a player with his footwork defensively in space, rotating, and in the post + his offensive skillset at a really young age.

[newyorker4ever]

His college play + projection. I'd agree he is a franchise talent, but it's 100% dependent on his health...which, as much as I love him, is a decently sized question mark.

A big man that has a history of back and foot problems is a huge question mark and nobody knows if he has what it takes mentally to make it in the NBA but he definitely has talent but until he can show that talent at the NBA level he'll be a question mark.

I think his talent makes there not be a question mark. It's just health with him. I've never seen a player with his footwork defensively in space, rotating, and in the post + his offensive skillset at a really young age.

Yeah i guess i just don't like going on assumptions and would rather see it with my own eyes first but he definitely has talent.

[malik959]

I don't know why I keep hearing DG to Knicks rumors, tbh(well, I know he's from NY, but from a basketball perspective). He's absolutely not a product of the Spurs system, he's nothing like Gary Neal(atrocious defender, even when he was with the Spurs, always near the bottom in the league in all on/off metrics), for example, he's more likely to be a George Hill IMO. He has helped the Spurs become an elite defensive team(really, really good defender that gets overshadowed by Kawhi) and despite his cold shooting in the 1st round, he's one of the best playoff shooters of all-time(48% from 3 on 5 attempts per game in 2 consecutive runs to the Finals, which is a historic shooting rate).

However, he can't consistently create his own shot, as most of you should know, and he's a poor ball-handler. He's actually a pretty good passer and can make pull-up 3s at a high rate(developed that the past 2 years), but he can't put the ball on the floor and finish at the rim consistently, especially vs. elite rim protectors.

He needs creators on the floor. Finding creators is pretty easy IMO, but no offense, I don't really see it with this Knicks team. Green is more of a win-now player, and I think the Knicks are probably 2-3 years away from getting back to where they want to be, which makes it kind of pointless IMO, especially for the money he'll be getting(3&D guys are more valued than ever, and volume scorers are becoming hated around the league).

He reminds me of H20. Houston wasn't much of a creator either and thrived playing in the playoffs, though Green is a better defender and H20 was a superior shooter. Green is a great fit for the triangle which needs willing passers.

[FemaleDogPlease]

Knicks are lucky they have Phil. Phil isn't going to throw a bunch of players together. He is going to get players he feel can be successful in the triangle. He has that luxury because he already has a superstar in Carmelo.

[Johnny Hoops]

Lakers are going to trade 2 young studs for a.....and I quote from what I read on these boards; "Selfish, cancer, chucking, black hole, doesn't pass, play d, make others better, coach killer, money hungry 31 year old career loser"

Yes - that's correct.

[Governor Dudley]

If the Knicks get Monroe, and draft a PG(or a wing)

Is there any chance of them signing Robin Lopez as the starting C? Are their chances better if Aldridge leaves Portland? How is a line up of say

Mudiay/Russell
Galloway
Melo
Monroe
Lopez


Calderon
Galloway/Winslow
Melo
Monroe
Lopez

[Ray Williams]

If the Knicks get Monroe, and draft a PG(or a wing)

Is there any chance of them signing Robin Lopez as the starting C? Are their chances better if Aldridge leaves Portland? How is a line up of say

Mudiay/Russell
Galloway
Melo
Monroe
Lopez


Calderon
Galloway/Winslow
Melo
Monroe
Lopez

There would be no spacing on offense with Lopez and Monroe.

Lopez
Love
Melo

[Governor Dudley]

If the Knicks get Monroe, and draft a PG(or a wing)

Is there any chance of them signing Robin Lopez as the starting C? Are their chances better if Aldridge leaves Portland? How is a line up of say

Mudiay/Russell
Galloway
Melo
Monroe
Lopez


Calderon
Galloway/Winslow
Melo
Monroe
Lopez

There would be no spacing on offense with Lopez and Monroe.

Lopez
Love
Melo

You know, I like your idea better. But there's less chance of Love coming here.

[DowNY]

Knicks get: Ryan Anderson ($8.5M - exp)
Pelicans get: Jose Calderon ($7.1M - 2 yrs) & Tim Hardaway Jr. (1.3M - 2 yrs)
Sixers get: Eric Gordon ($15M - exp)

- Knicks can flip Calderon & Timmy into a position of need in the starting lineup. A stretch 4 who is also expiring. Lose no current cap space. We can still target the likes of Deandre Jordan & Wes Matthews/Danny Green.

- Pelicans save about $15M in cap space that adds to their already $7M cap space they already had. They add bench depth behind Jrue & Tyreke. Can add some good players with that amount of cap space, especially if they hire a high profile coach to attract FAs.

- Sixers absorbs Eric Gordon but he's still a good player & position of need if they draft a PG. He's a shooter & is expiring. They also do this because I doubt any big names sign there. Sixers still have about $10M in cap space after the trade to spend on depth and any other "need".

[kej718]

C
Greg Monroe
PF
Carmelo Anthony
SF
Justise Winslow
SG
Danny Green
PG
Langston Galloway

I think this line up gives them enough offense and spacing.
I want guys like Marc Gasol, LaMarcus Aldridge, and Jimmy Butler but I think these are guys we are most likely to get. I put up the trade scenario for Joel Embiid earlier (It gives us a big already under contract for 4 years), and would give us more flexibility in free agency. We would have a lot more cap space and could wait until next season.

C
Joel Embiid or Nerlens Noel (Trade #4 pick to 76er's)
PF
Carmelo Anthony
SF
Paul Pierce (1 year deal so we have money for 2016, He may end up with the Clippers/Lakers next season though. Where ever Rondo ends up)
SG
Danny Green
PG
Langston Galloway


Trade Hardaway, Early, Calderon for picks if we can and build the team like that.

[newyorker4ever]

Knicks get: Ryan Anderson ($8.5M - exp)
Pelicans get: Jose Calderon ($7.1M - 2 yrs) & Tim Hardaway Jr. (1.3M - 2 yrs)
Sixers get: Eric Gordon ($15M - exp)

- Knicks can flip Calderon & Timmy into a position of need in the starting lineup. A stretch 4 who is also expiring. Lose no current cap space. We can still target the likes of Deandre Jordan & Wes Matthews/Danny Green.

- Pelicans save about $15M in cap space that adds to their already $7M cap space they already had. They add bench depth behind Jrue & Tyreke. Can add some good players with that amount of cap space, especially if they hire a high profile coach to attract FAs.

- Sixers absorbs Eric Gordon but he's still a good player & position of need if they draft a PG. He's a shooter & is expiring. They also do this because I doubt any big names sign there. Sixers still have about $10M in cap space after the trade to spend on depth and any other "need".

So the Sixers don't give anything up for E.Gordon??

[kej718]

Knicks get: Ryan Anderson ($8.5M - exp)
Pelicans get: Jose Calderon ($7.1M - 2 yrs) & Tim Hardaway Jr. (1.3M - 2 yrs)
Sixers get: Eric Gordon ($15M - exp)

- Knicks can flip Calderon & Timmy into a position of need in the starting lineup. A stretch 4 who is also expiring. Lose no current cap space. We can still target the likes of Deandre Jordan & Wes Matthews/Danny Green.

- Pelicans save about $15M in cap space that adds to their already $7M cap space they already had. They add bench depth behind Jrue & Tyreke. Can add some good players with that amount of cap space, especially if they hire a high profile coach to attract FAs.

- Sixers absorbs Eric Gordon but he's still a good player & position of need if they draft a PG. He's a shooter & is expiring. They also do this because I doubt any big names sign there. Sixers still have about $10M in cap space after the trade to spend on depth and any other "need".

So the Sixers don't give anything up for E.Gordon??

I know right. It would be nice if they sent a few picks the Knick way

[DowNY]

Knicks get: Ryan Anderson ($8.5M - exp)
Pelicans get: Jose Calderon ($7.1M - 2 yrs) & Tim Hardaway Jr. (1.3M - 2 yrs)
Sixers get: Eric Gordon ($15M - exp)

- Knicks can flip Calderon & Timmy into a position of need in the starting lineup. A stretch 4 who is also expiring. Lose no current cap space. We can still target the likes of Deandre Jordan & Wes Matthews/Danny Green.

- Pelicans save about $15M in cap space that adds to their already $7M cap space they already had. They add bench depth behind Jrue & Tyreke. Can add some good players with that amount of cap space, especially if they hire a high profile coach to attract FAs.

- Sixers absorbs Eric Gordon but he's still a good player & position of need if they draft a PG. He's a shooter & is expiring. They also do this because I doubt any big names sign there. Sixers still have about $10M in cap space after the trade to spend on depth and any other "need".

So the Sixers don't give anything up for E.Gordon??

Nope. Just cap space/trade exception. Like a 1 year signing.