Trade Up, Trade Down or Stay at 8 in the Draft?

[GreekAlex]

Personally I'd like the Pistons to select Justise Winslow or Stanley Johnson.

I doubt Winslow will be available at 8 but I would still feel great about drafting Johnson.

I read somewhere Johnson is the only player to have won a state title all 4 years of high school in California and I think there is something to be said about knowing how to win.

Today there was an article in the Free Press about the Pistons possibly being interested in trading the pick to speed up the rebuilding process.

What could the 8th pick yield in a trade?

What would it take to move up to pick Winslow?

I've seen things like Brandon Jennings & #8 to Orlando for #5 and Channing Frye but Frys has 3 seasons left at 8 Million + and it doesn't seem worth it.

What other scenarios could get the Pistons in the 4,5, or 6 spots? I don't think New York want to be at 4 and Sac doesn't have a need for Winslow having Rudy Gay & Ben McLemore.

[kurtis48239]

I personally dont see winslow having much more potential than johnson,so trading any assets to move up to get him just seems redundant.The only way iam giving up the 8th pick is if we can get a young sf/pf ,but the guys we would want are all fa and we can bid on them.Right now any news reports or leaks,must be taken with a grain of salt.

[Bartender]

Frank Kaminsky bandwagon here. PF to replace Monroe and someone who won't clog up the lane. Can score from anywhere on the court and is an underrated shot blocker.

[coordinator0]

I think Detroit should stick with the eighth pick. The way I see it is there are 10-11 players that belong in the top two value tiers. Towns, Okafor, and Russell are definitely in the first one and Mudiay probably is too but he's a bit of a wildcard. Regardless none of those guys are falling too far on draft night. Then you have Hezonja, Winslow, Johnson, Cauley-Stein, Porzingis, Turner, and maybe Kaminsky depending on how you grade him. The Pistons would be picking from at least three of the prospects I mentioned. As long as the choice doesn't come down to Cauley-Stein or to a lesser extent Turner they will be getting someone who fits a need very well and isn't a reach.

Moving back a little bit wouldn't be a terrible idea since there are forward prospects in that third value tier who would also fit well with the Pistons, but I don't know if a team in the mid-late teens would actually offer up anything worthwhile enough to make a trade. Would Boston give up a guy like Zeller to move up for Turner or Cauley-Stein? Is that enough incentive for the Pistons to move back? It's hard to say.

[Snakebites]

How can I know whether or not we should do something with it unless I know what trades could be available?

Generally I don't favor teams in our position trading first rounders, but for the right deal....

[zeebneeb]

I personally dont see winslow having much more potential than johnson,so trading any assets to move up to get him just seems redundant.The only way iam giving up the 8th pick is if we can get a young sf/pf ,but the guys we would want are all fa and we can bid on them.Right now any news reports or leaks,must be taken with a grain of salt.

You know, I keep reading this, and I am starting to believe that people just haven't seen Winslow play. I mean, it just doesn't seem possible.

I'll have to hope that SVG, and our other people responsible for the pick have.

I am literally baffled by comments like this.

Have you watched tape on Winslow, like, at all? Or just a few clips on youtube?

[sc8581]

If we trade the pick to speed up the rebuilding process it won't be to move up in the draft, it would be for a proven player. Unless we can trade up to #3 and get Russell without giving up Drummond I would prefer to trade down a few picks if anything. If we can trade out of the draft and pick up a guy we need sure but I'm not sure who might be available in such a deal.

[Blkbrd671]

We should stay at #8, definitely not trade down. We can't go wrong with either Johnson or Winslow. One of them should be there at #8, there's no need to give up assets.

[DETermination]

I say stay with the 8th pick. I think we will get someone good there.

[DBC10]

An 8th pick along with our so called "assets" won't net a proven player let alone someone that can speed up the rebuild process. It would have to be someone near all-star level talent with a decent contract. I believe there's no one that fit the bill right now that aren't RFAs.

So Stan likely means wanting to trade up if he wants to "speed" it up.

[ImHeisenberg]

I personally dont see winslow having much more potential than johnson,so trading any assets to move up to get him just seems redundant.The only way iam giving up the 8th pick is if we can get a young sf/pf ,but the guys we would want are all fa and we can bid on them.Right now any news reports or leaks,must be taken with a grain of salt.

You know, I keep reading this, and I am starting to believe that people just haven't seen Winslow play. I mean, it just doesn't seem possible.

I'll have to hope that SVG, and our other people responsible for the pick have.

I am literally baffled by comments like this.

Have you watched tape on Winslow, like, at all? Or just a few clips on youtube?

It's funny, because prior to the tournament, Stan Johnson was considered a consensus top 5 pick, and it was Winslow bouncing between mid- to late-lottery on mock drafts from DX and Chad Ford.

How often are top 10 picks traded? It's not very often. Detroit really doesn't have anything to move up with either, unless they want to give up KCP (which probably isn't going to entice too many teams anyways). Our 8th pick and Drummond are the Pistons only real assets.

[A_dub06]

I love Winslow as a prospect and rate him the highest in the second tier of prospects although I don't know how much better he will be than Johnson. It could be marginal at best or it could even be substantial. I'd be willing to do either of the trades proposed in our forum (frye + #5 for Jennings + #8 , or Landry + #6 for Jennings + #8) but outside of these I'd prefer to stand pat. Loosing any further assets to move up or trading down/out I think would be detrimental to our long term plans. Can't go wrong with Winslow, Porzingis, Johnson or Hezonja in my opinion


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[mrfalse9]

our #8 for Boston's #16,Sullinger and Olynyk

[kurtis48239]

I personally dont see winslow having much more potential than johnson,so trading any assets to move up to get him just seems redundant.The only way iam giving up the 8th pick is if we can get a young sf/pf ,but the guys we would want are all fa and we can bid on them.Right now any news reports or leaks,must be taken with a grain of salt.

You know, I keep reading this, and I am starting to believe that people just haven't seen Winslow play. I mean, it just doesn't seem possible.

I'll have to hope that SVG, and our other people responsible for the pick have.

I am literally baffled by comments like this.

Have you watched tape on Winslow, like, at all? Or just a few clips on youtube?

I have seen him play and everything I wrote wasant true? This is a sports forum and pretty much the definition of sports debate,people arent going to agree with your point of view 99% of the time.In my opinion winslow had a good tournament,which raised his value,it was pretty even between johnson and him befor then,actually johnson was higher on boards during the first half of college ball.It wouldnt be enough to me to give up anything of value to raise up a few spots to take him,when we can keep what we have and take johnson

[Collymore]

our #8 for Boston's #16,Sullinger and Olynyk

Or how about not.

[Laimbeer]

Draft night.

#8 Porzingis, KCP and 2016 1st unprotected to Philly for #3 Russell and Covington

[zeebneeb]

I personally dont see winslow having much more potential than johnson,so trading any assets to move up to get him just seems redundant.The only way iam giving up the 8th pick is if we can get a young sf/pf ,but the guys we would want are all fa and we can bid on them.Right now any news reports or leaks,must be taken with a grain of salt.

You know, I keep reading this, and I am starting to believe that people just haven't seen Winslow play. I mean, it just doesn't seem possible.

I'll have to hope that SVG, and our other people responsible for the pick have.

I am literally baffled by comments like this.

Have you watched tape on Winslow, like, at all? Or just a few clips on youtube?

I have seen him play and everything I wrote wasant true? This is a sports forum and pretty much the definition of sports debate,people arent going to agree with your point of view 99% of the time.In my opinion winslow had a good tournament,which raised his value,it was pretty even between johnson and him befor then,actually johnson was higher on boards during the first half of college ball.It wouldnt be enough to me to give up anything of value to raise up a few spots to take him,when we can keep what we have and take johnson

Potential is one thing, actual ability is another. Winslows offensive game, is a hell of Alot more well rounded than Johnsons, and his defense, is better as well. The only area the two are comparable is thier position, and pure shooting ability.

Look, I wouldn't mind either guy, they are similar, but, Winslow can create in traffic, excellent body control, can change speed on drives, and is excellent in the post. He is just Alot more polished offensively then Johnson, and had a feel for the game. You know how some players just seem to get it? They just know what's happening, and seem to flow with the game, and not against the stream? That's Winslow. Not to mention the fact that he is a damn fine passer as well, and excels in the open court.

He is just more NBA ready then Johnson.

[mercury]

I wouldn't have a problem with Jennings & #8 for Frye & #5... the parts work better. Frye's contract will be considered cheap in a year.
I doubt Orlando does it though.

[kurtis48239]

You know, I keep reading this, and I am starting to believe that people just haven't seen Winslow play. I mean, it just doesn't seem possible.

I'll have to hope that SVG, and our other people responsible for the pick have.

I am literally baffled by comments like this.

Have you watched tape on Winslow, like, at all? Or just a few clips on youtube?

I have seen him play and everything I wrote wasant true? This is a sports forum and pretty much the definition of sports debate,people arent going to agree with your point of view 99% of the time.In my opinion winslow had a good tournament,which raised his value,it was pretty even between johnson and him befor then,actually johnson was higher on boards during the first half of college ball.It wouldnt be enough to me to give up anything of value to raise up a few spots to take him,when we can keep what we have and take johnson

Potential is one thing, actual ability is another. Winslows offensive game, is a hell of Alot more well rounded than Johnsons, and his defense, is better as well. The only area the two are comparable is thier position, and pure shooting ability.

Look, I wouldn't mind either guy, they are similar, but, Winslow can create in traffic, excellent body control, can change speed on drives, and is excellent in the post. He is just Alot more polished offensively then Johnson, and had a feel for the game. You know how some players just seem to get it? They just know what's happening, and seem to flow with the game, and not against the stream? That's Winslow. Not to mention the fact that he is a damn fine passer as well, and excels in the open court.

He is just more NBA ready then Johnson.

Just agree to disagree,because I think johnson has the better rounded game,is the better ball handler,better in transition,better 2pt % while winslow is the better 3%,etc and there defense is close,but when you get to the nba,that 6"7 240 pound frame will be alot better going up against nba sf.

[sc8581]

I'm curious where you guys rank Justin Anderson in comparison with Johnson and Winslow. Comparable if not more impressive size, athleticism and defensive potential, plus his shot looks much better. Obviously I'm talking about either trading down or somehow adding a pick in the late teens or so.