Embiid Noel & Russell vs Okafor Randle & Clarkson vs Towns Wiggins & Levine

[LloydFree]

Easy, there's only one player in this whole group who has all time great written all over him, and that's embiid. Add in Noel's defensive dominance (along with embiids), and developing offensive game, and Russell, and it's clear to me. Okafor has one above average skill, just one. His defense, rebounding, mid range game, and free throws, are all terrible, way below average. My list goes.... Embiid, Wiggins, towns(could end up like Sam Perkins if his motor doesn't pick up), Noel, Russell, lavine, okafor, randle, clarkson.

How does the guy who's the most injury prone out of the group have all time great written on him? Even if he manages to stay healthy at this point they'll have to manage his mins. As far as Okafor rebounding goes how is it terrible with him avging 8.5 Rebs? Cmon your post sounds bias. At least Okafor is a dominant scorer Embiid would be lucky to play 30 mpg with him avging almost 4 fouls in 20 mins or if his body will hold up for that amount of mins over an 82 game season

You sound salty. Poll not going the way you anticipated?

[dham1974]

I understand wolves fans want to include their whole team however your whole starting lineup isn't gonna make the Allstar team or even be great players. I picked who I thought best fit the mold.

[dham1974]

Easy, there's only one player in this whole group who has all time great written all over him, and that's embiid. Add in Noel's defensive dominance (along with embiids), and developing offensive game, and Russell, and it's clear to me. Okafor has one above average skill, just one. His defense, rebounding, mid range game, and free throws, are all terrible, way below average. My list goes.... Embiid, Wiggins, towns(could end up like Sam Perkins if his motor doesn't pick up), Noel, Russell, lavine, okafor, randle, clarkson.

How does the guy who's the most injury prone out of the group have all time great written on him? Even if he manages to stay healthy at this point they'll have to manage his mins. As far as Okafor rebounding goes how is it terrible with him avging 8.5 Rebs? Cmon your post sounds bias. At least Okafor is a dominant scorer Embiid would be lucky to play 30 mpg with him avging almost 4 fouls in 20 mins or if his body will hold up for that amount of mins over an 82 game season

You sound salty. Poll not going the way you anticipated?

Oh so now pointing out the flaws in your argument is now perceived as being salty? Smh

[Mattya]

I understand wolves fans want to include their whole team however your whole starting lineup isn't gonna make the Allstar team or even be great players. I picked who I thought best fit the mold.

How did you come to this conclusion?

[dham1974]

I understand wolves fans want to include their whole team however your whole starting lineup isn't gonna make the Allstar team or even be great players. I picked who I thought best fit the mold.

How did you come to this conclusion?

If you want to believe that your free to do so.

[Mattya]

I understand wolves fans want to include their whole team however your whole starting lineup isn't gonna make the Allstar team or even be great players. I picked who I thought best fit the mold.

How did you come to this conclusion?

If you want to believe that your free to do so.

But nobody did come to that conclusion or even make any attempt to make that claim.

[dham1974]

How did you come to this conclusion?

If you want to believe that your free to do so.

But nobody did come to that conclusion or even make any attempt to make that claim.

If you don't believe it why are you trying to debate me on it? You just asked how did I come to that conclusion. Only two types would ask that question. The first is the one who believes it's and the other is one who's trying to derail the topic.i gave the criterior I was going by when I made the topic.

[Mattya]

If you want to believe that your free to do so.

But nobody did come to that conclusion or even make any attempt to make that claim.

If you don't believe it why are you trying to debate me on it? You just asked how did I come to that conclusion. Only two types would ask that question. The first is the one who believes it's and the other is one who's trying to derail the topic.

I'm not trying to debate if they are going to become All Stars, you tried to make it seem like Wolves fans were arguing that they were going to be All star players. If that was your criteria, you didn't list it. So, apparently their is a third type of person, one who just wants clarity on your logic your thread. Instead you just got defensive.

[dham1974]

But nobody did come to that conclusion or even make any attempt to make that claim.

If you don't believe it why are you trying to debate me on it? You just asked how did I come to that conclusion. Only two types would ask that question. The first is the one who believes it's and the other is one who's trying to derail the topic.

I'm not trying to debate if they are going to become All Stars, you tried to make it seem like Wolves fans were arguing that they were going to be All star players. If that was your criteria, you didn't list it. So, apparently their is a third type of person, one who just wants clarity on your logic your thread. Instead you just got defensive.

There's not a third type you had clarity long ago when the other poster addressed your question. He told you the youth and recent picks potential. It's kind of common sense because we're not talking starting lineups so what else would the aim be? Whatelse does all of these players have in common? I didn't make it seem like anything other than wolves fans wanted the other players on the list. I gave you my reasons so either you understand and agree or disagree. You're derailing the topic now with this.

[76thBearCub]

IDK, but you've got a 1A, a 1B, and 3C in my opinion.

[Mattya]

If you don't believe it why are you trying to debate me on it? You just asked how did I come to that conclusion. Only two types would ask that question. The first is the one who believes it's and the other is one who's trying to derail the topic.

I'm not trying to debate if they are going to become All Stars, you tried to make it seem like Wolves fans were arguing that they were going to be All star players. If that was your criteria, you didn't list it. So, apparently their is a third type of person, one who just wants clarity on your logic your thread. Instead you just got defensive.

There's not a third type you had clarity long ago when the other poster addressed your question. He told you the youth and recent picks potential. It's kind of common sense because we're not talking starting lineups so what else would the aim be? Whatelse does all of these players have in common? I didn't make it seem like anything other than wolves fans wanted the other players on the list. I gave you my reasons so either you understand and agree or disagree. You're derailing the topic now with this.

i gave the criterior I was going by when I made the topic.

umm... no you didn't

2015 Draft Draft projections
2014 Draft Wiggins, Embiid, LaVine, Randle, Clarkson
2013 Draft Nerlens Noel, Shabazz Muhammad, Gorgui Dieng

So you left off two of Minnesota's youth, who was picked in the same draft as one of the players you listed and younger than one is younger than one of the other players you listed. It's not derailing if I'm pointing out the fault in the logic of your post. Stop being defensive.

[dham1974]

You are derailing the topic your talking about why I picked who I picked instead of debating the rankings of who I actually picked. Who's being defensive I'm tired of talking about why I picked which players. There is no fault in my logic like I said all of your players aren't going to be allstars like i said before I picked who I thought fit the mold. Answer the question and keep it moving no reason to debate why I picked them. Debate the order. If anything your coming off as being defensive not me.

[Mattya]

You are derailing the topic your talking about why I picked who I picked instead of debating the rankings of who I actually picked. Who's being defensive I'm tired of talking about why I picked which players. There is no fault in my logic like I said all of your players aren't going to be allstars like i said before I picked who I thought fit the mold. Answer the question and keep it moving no reason to debate why I picked them. Debate the order.

1. Your OP never mentions your qualifications for the players you picked.
2. You later added that they have All Star potential in your opinion. I replied that Shabazz Muhammad is better than LaVine. I never claimed he has All Star potential. Then you decide to make the claim that Wolves fans were trying to make all their "starting lineup"(your words nobody elses) out to be potential all stars.
3. You also piggy back off of other people's idea's of what your criteria are (Youth and recent drafts). So I'm not alone here.
4. So since you pointed out youth and recent picks as part of the criteria, I pointed out the flaws in that criteria.
5. You can keep saying I'm derailing your thread, but the fact is that you didn't list a clear criteria, which is why I asked, and when you did list your criteria, I pointed out the flaws in it. So, yes you are being defensive.

[dham1974]

Mattya your trolling now the why isnt important. All you need to know is the players who was picked and answer the damn question. I'm done responding to you.

[Mattya]

Mattya your trolling now the why isnt important. All you need to know is the players who was picked and answer the damn question. I'm done responding to you.

How isn't the why of the question important? This is how you respond when someone asks about the logic behind your hypothetical? And it's trolling when I use facts to show how your logic was flawed?

[Crazy-Canuck]

Philly
Minny
LAL

I think it is pretty cut and dry.

While the top 2 players from the 6ers and Wolves are comparable, Russell vs Lavine isnt.

Lakers are a distant third. Id probably put a few teams like the Magic and Jazz ahead of them too.

[LloydFree]

Philly
Minny
LAL

I think it is pretty cut and dry.

While the top 2 players from the 6ers and Wolves are comparable, Russell vs Lavine isnt.

Lakers are a distant third. Id probably put a few teams like the Magic and Jazz ahead of them too.

The Magic have more good young players than the Lakers, but it would be hard for me to put their group ahead of the Lakers because Okafor would be the best prospect in the two groups. I probably wouldn't trade Okafor for all 3 Magic players.

1. Okafor


2. Oladipo
3. Payton
4. Gordon
5. Randle
6. Clarkson

[nicnac215]

Philly
Minny
LAL

I think it is pretty cut and dry.

While the top 2 players from the 6ers and Wolves are comparable, Russell vs Lavine isnt.

Lakers are a distant third. Id probably put a few teams like the Magic and Jazz ahead of them too.

The Magic have more good young players than the Lakers, but it would be hard for me to put their group ahead of the Lakers because Okafor would be the best prospect in the two groups. I probably wouldn't trade Okafor for all 3 Magic players.

1. Okafor


2. Oladipo
3. Payton
4. Gordon
5. Randle
6. Clarkson

Tobias Harris is younger than Clarkson too. And include the #5 pick this year. Clearly the magic have more young talent than Lakers going forward.

[MinneOOPalis]

These threads are always terrible

[JB2]

Why not wait til the draft to make this thread? What if Minny goes for Okafor? Or What if Lakers take Russell? Seems premature to debate it all.