Draft Thread: Who do you want with the 13th pick? Stanley Johnson and WCS added..change votes if you want

[bwgood77]

OK, I give up

Instead of a 4 word retort, maybe you'd like to try to explain how either of them have positive value right now. You are a GM of a team--do you want to trade for two players that were indicted by a grand jury on felony charges for aggravated assault? Is that something you see as "positive value"?

And as I mentioned, with Bledsoe currently the 7th highest paid PG and accounting for 20% of the team's salary cap, when he isn't even an All-Star. Teams trade contracts more so than players, and right now, Bledsoe's play isn't worth his salary--next year, it likely (hopefully) will.

So, please enlighten me as to WHY I am wrong, rather than just type out a 4 word retort; that proves absolutely nothing.

Morri bros have amazing production for their contracts and with cap going up it will look even better. But it was written hundreds times here. Most probably one year from now nobody would remember about that charge. Even now their value is definitely positive and in future it will go up.
About Bledsoe, what pg are better than him, not much older than him and on better contract (not including rookie contracts)? Curry, Teague and...?

Saying they have negative value is ridiculous.

But even all those guys on better contracts like Curry and Teague...they will be paid more than Bledsoe....Bledsoe's value is that he is locked in at 14 for four years....few players are locked in that long. Same with Markieff. The main reason Bledsoe doesn't have a ton of trade value is because there are a ton of good pgs in the league so there is little demand for them.

A team like the Knicks though, who's goal is to compete now and not go through a rebuild, may put a higher value on a guy like him than most. Though Knight seems to be more of a triangle/Phil Jackson type.

[SlovenianDragon]

If we don't get Kaminsky we will draft Portis.

I think those are our two top options.

I think we will trade Marcus. When we got him we thought the chemistry would work and it did just with on the court and off the court stupidity. We need to separate them. Markieff is a solid player but I don't think his brother being around is helping.

I think Kaminsky will be drafted 1 or 2 before out pick like always. When there is a player we like they always go right before we draft. So I think in this years draft we will draft Portis.

[Mr-Al]

If we don't get Kaminsky we will draft Portis.

I think those are our two top options.

I think we will trade Marcus. When we got him we thought the chemistry would work and it did just with on the court and off the court stupidity. We need to separate them. Markieff is a solid player but I don't think his brother being around is helping.

I think Kaminsky will be drafted 1 or 2 before out pick like always. When there is a player we like they always go right before we draft. So I think in this years draft we will draft Portis.

imo I would take Looney over Portis just because he has a much higher ceiling and gives you more defense/shot blocking potentially

[Mr-Al]

I can't see us picking Kaminsky, Turner, Booker, Dekker, Payne (11-15 on DraftXpress Mock) they don't have the athletic weapons that McDonough looks for.

Bobby Portis (16th on DraftXpress Mock) is more in the McDonough mould, with his run and gun motor.

The next with the best athletic weapons would be Hollis-Jefferson or Christian Wood.

Warren can run and gun but he isn't overly athletic or anything, I think it's a way more complicated than athleticism

and no one of earth would take Portis over Turner

imo I would take Looney over Portis, way higher ceiling. Portis is much too similar to Kieff in many aspects

[jredsaz]

Some will say Bledsoe, Morris twins, Tucker are too much for pick 4.

But suns also saves 32 million on cap space and a chance to wipe the slate clean with a proper young team to build around.

knight, Len, Warren, Goodwin, pick 4, pick 13, Bogdanovic... With humangous salary cap space is a great way to enter the 2016-2017 season.

So, some say that trash, trash, and more trash is too much for the #4 overall? I, along with a few others, have mentioned it multiple times, and I have yet for someone to explain how exactly Bledsoe and the Twins are worth anything positive for us.

If McD could swing that trade, he'd have to be considered one of the best GMs in the league. At this point in time, Bledsoe and the Morri have negative value. Look at the facts:

- Bledsoe starts year #2 of his deal, $13.5M, or 20%, or 1/5th of our Salary Cap ($67.1M) for 2015/2016. Next year, his $14M will be just 15% of the projected $89M, which is much more 'palatable'. Right now, Bledsoe is the 7th highest paid PG in the league; he is not the 7th best PG in the league--negative value (and yes, I understand it's not that simple, but the point still remains). Bledsoe did not progress this past year, IMO, and was very 'average'--great defense, poor BBIQ.

- The Morri--plain and simple, their play regressed from the previous season. Then add in their legal trouble, and you get negative value.

- PJ is the only player in that deal with positive value, but let's face it--PJ doesn't start on over half of the NBA teams.

And so, for that, fans want NY to give up Mudiay or Russell, or Okafor, for those pieces? I'm sorry, but I just don't see it. If anything, if McD can put together that, or a similar package, to trade with Miami/Charlotte, to secure a falling prospect--maybe a Stanley Johnson or Myles Turner, then sure. But the problem is, those guys hold a lot more value to us than any other team, because those 3 are our starters, yet 2 of those 3 wouldn't start on other teams.

I hate to be a negative nancy, but 'dems are the facts'. IMO, we just need to draft 13th, and look at some trades afterwards. Or, if these PFs (Portis/Lyles/Looney/Harrell) are dropping to the late teens, then trade back and try to pick up a pick next year. But for the love of all that is right in this world, PLEASE do not draft a PG like Payne, Grant, or Tyus Jones at 13--I might lose my mind if they do.

According to ESPN Bledsoe ranks 9th in Real Plus/Minus and 6th in WAR. He is 25 and has four years left on a contract that is paying him fair market value currently. His deal will be a bargin a year from now. Everything you said about Bledsoes value is wrong.

[Saberestar]

Suns start workouts
The Suns will stage this year's first draft workout Tuesday for six visiting prospects at US Airways Center. The Suns have the 13th and 44th picks in the draft.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /27936145/

[NavLDO]

Some will say Bledsoe, Morris twins, Tucker are too much for pick 4.

But suns also saves 32 million on cap space and a chance to wipe the slate clean with a proper young team to build around.

knight, Len, Warren, Goodwin, pick 4, pick 13, Bogdanovic... With humangous salary cap space is a great way to enter the 2016-2017 season.

So, some say that trash, trash, and more trash is too much for the #4 overall? I, along with a few others, have mentioned it multiple times, and I have yet for someone to explain how exactly Bledsoe and the Twins are worth anything positive for us.

If McD could swing that trade, he'd have to be considered one of the best GMs in the league. At this point in time, Bledsoe and the Morri have negative value. Look at the facts:

- Bledsoe starts year #2 of his deal, $13.5M, or 20%, or 1/5th of our Salary Cap ($67.1M) for 2015/2016. Next year, his $14M will be just 15% of the projected $89M, which is much more 'palatable'. Right now, Bledsoe is the 7th highest paid PG in the league; he is not the 7th best PG in the league--negative value (and yes, I understand it's not that simple, but the point still remains). Bledsoe did not progress this past year, IMO, and was very 'average'--great defense, poor BBIQ.

- The Morri--plain and simple, their play regressed from the previous season. Then add in their legal trouble, and you get negative value.

- PJ is the only player in that deal with positive value, but let's face it--PJ doesn't start on over half of the NBA teams.

And so, for that, fans want NY to give up Mudiay or Russell, or Okafor, for those pieces? I'm sorry, but I just don't see it. If anything, if McD can put together that, or a similar package, to trade with Miami/Charlotte, to secure a falling prospect--maybe a Stanley Johnson or Myles Turner, then sure. But the problem is, those guys hold a lot more value to us than any other team, because those 3 are our starters, yet 2 of those 3 wouldn't start on other teams.

I hate to be a negative nancy, but 'dems are the facts'. IMO, we just need to draft 13th, and look at some trades afterwards. Or, if these PFs (Portis/Lyles/Looney/Harrell) are dropping to the late teens, then trade back and try to pick up a pick next year. But for the love of all that is right in this world, PLEASE do not draft a PG like Payne, Grant, or Tyus Jones at 13--I might lose my mind if they do.

According to ESPN Bledsoe ranks 9th in Real Plus/Minus and 6th in WAR. He is 25 and has four years left on a contract that is paying him fair market value currently. His deal will be a bargin a year from now. Everything you said about Bledsoes value is wrong.

How so? Read what I wrote again:

-Bledsoe starts year #2 of his deal--FACT
-$13.5M, or 20%, or 1/5th of our Salary Cap ($67.1M) for 2015/2016--FACT
-Right now, Bledsoe is the 7th highest paid PG in the league--FACT
-He is not the 7th best PG in the league--OPINION

And, you pretty much just wrote what I said, just in a different way. Next year, his deal will be a bargain--most likely. Once the Morri's case has been resolved and they suffer no time lost, yes, they have good value.

I think I'm not communicating very well my point, which is, at this point, both Bledsoe and the Morri do not have positive value. Next year, IF the assault charges are dropped, then absolutely, the Morri will be a bargain. Maybe even much sooner, but UNTIL the charges are dropped or they are found innocent, they do not have positive value.

Go ahead--I challenge anyone to put forth that deal, of right now--not next year, or once the Morri's case is resolved--right at his moment in time, of Bledsoe, Tucker and the Morri for the 4th overall pick in either the Knicks forum or the trade forum, and do a poll to see who 'wins' that deal. If the result after 3-4 days is that the Knicks win that deal, point it out to me, and I'll admit I was wrong. And since you and Damkac are so positive I'm wrong, you should have no issue with this.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Would you trade Warren or Len for those 4 if they played for another team?

[JMac1]

Just pray big Frank falls into our lap at 13, like Curry fell to GS at 7 because he was an older nonathletic, shoot first undersized 2 who couldn't play point.

[JMac1]

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[RunDogGun]

I see Frank being a good match for Goran, but since Bosh is an even better match, I don't see Miami picking him.

Frank has a great shot, and is fairly smart. Overall he had good numbers as well in his final season in college. I'd be happy with us taking him.

[RunDogGun]

I don't see us trading 4/5 of our starting lineup from more than a third of last season for one unproven player. Moreover, two of the four were our best defenders by far. However, if NY has the money, it would make them a solid team in a matter of minutes. We would have to take on whatever crap contracts they have.

[bwgood77]

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[Saberestar]

Eastern Washington's Tyler Harvey, who led the nation in scoring with 23.1 points per game last season, is among those scheduled to work out with the Suns on Tuesday at US Airways Center.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /27964447/

[RaisingArizona]

There's nothing wrong with getting a Dirk-lite player with the #13 pick. Someone who can contribute right away is what we need. We already have Bodgan, Alec, and Archie as long-term projects.

[JMac1]

I see Frank being a good match for Goran, but since Bosh is an even better match, I don't see Miami picking him.

Frank has a great shot, and is fairly smart. Overall he had good numbers as well in his final season in college. I'd be happy with us taking him.

I am in Big Ten country right now for vacation. Last night some buddies and I were watching the GS and Hou game, and we all started talking basketball. All five of my buddies believe Frank is the truth; don't think he will fall outside of the top ten.

There's nothing wrong with getting a Dirk-lite player with the #13 pick. Someone who can contribute right away is what we need. We already have Bodgan and Archie as long-term projects.

Exactly!!

[kennydorglas]

Suns draft workout: Askia Booker, CU; Branden Dawson, MSU; Kendall Gray, Del St; Tyler Harvey, EWU; Le'Bryan Nash, Ok St; Chris Walker, UF.

EWWWWWWWW

[RunDogGun]

I see Frank being a good match for Goran, but since Bosh is an even better match, I don't see Miami picking him.

Frank has a great shot, and is fairly smart. Overall he had good numbers as well in his final season in college. I'd be happy with us taking him.

I am in Big Ten country right now for vacation. Last night some buddies and I were watching the GS and Hou game, and we all started talking basketball. All five of my buddies believe Frank is the truth; don't think he will fall outside of the top ten.

There's nothing wrong with getting a Dirk-lite player with the #13 pick. Someone who can contribute right away is what we need. We already have Bodgan and Archie as long-term projects.

Exactly!!

I don't think he will be there at 13, but who knows.

What part of the Big10 country are you in?

[Saberestar]

Phoenix Suns 2015 NBA Mock Draft Tracker

http://arizonasports.com/41/1835610/Pho ... ft-Tracker

Kaminsky leading the way.

[MrMiyagi]

Suns draft workout: Askia Booker, CU; Branden Dawson, MSU; Kendall Gray, Del St; Tyler Harvey, EWU; Le'Bryan Nash, Ok St; Chris Walker, UF.

EWWWWWWWW

Looks like a bunch of second rounders/undrafted types for the summer league squad. Not bad to get those kinds of guys in early. I think we already have our big board set in place, so on draft night, we'll just take whoever is left at 13. Not to mention we're pretty low on the pecking order in terms of the top talent. I think that from 7 to about 20 are all pretty much the same talent level, so most guys are looking to workout for the teams with higher picks first to hopefully make a strong impression.