Lakers Begin 2015 Draft Workouts

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[Slava]

That's quite an ambitious exercise but evaluating draft picks is one thing the front office does quite well or better than most.

[TyCobb]

Only guys of that first group I didn't see were Dejean and Walker. I definitely look the other way on the rest of the group.

[crazyeights]

It makes sense that you start the process with the bubble guys then work your way to the real thing.

Gives you perspective/might find you a steal or two in retrospect.

[kblo247]

That's quite an ambitious exercise but evaluating draft picks is one thing the front office does quite well or better than most.

Morris, Ebanks, Caracter, Cook, Rush, and the list goes on. They are hit and miss.

[kblo247]

They need 4 groups. Lotto, 1st round, early second, late second which they can buy with Sacre/Kelly

[Michael Lucky]

That's quite an ambitious exercise but evaluating draft picks is one thing the front office does quite well or better than most.

Morris, Ebanks, Caracter, Cook, Rush, and the list goes on. They are hit and miss.

Yeah because it's full of hits late in the first round and second rounds of the NBA draft. There's no such thing as a miss that late since you're expected to draft at best a role player.

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[kblo247]

That's quite an ambitious exercise but evaluating draft picks is one thing the front office does quite well or better than most.

Morris, Ebanks, Caracter, Cook, Rush, and the list goes on. They are hit and miss.

Yeah because it's full of hits late in the first round and second rounds of the NBA draft. There's no such thing as a miss that late since you're expect to draft at best a role player.

That's bull. They reevaluated talent and character very poorly with a lot of them. They couldn't tell that Morris couldn't dribble without watching the ball and had no basketball skills? They couldn't vet that Ebanks had character issues, a low motor, and was an alcoholic? They could not see that Caracter who had been kicked off multiple teams had character issues and he was a risk? They took Cook early in the draft when he wasn't even pegged to be picked that high. Rush was taken over Tayshaun Prince and others.

The lakers knows what they do when they are drafting thing under Mitch is a mixed bag. Farmar can't stay in the league, Sasha is out the league, Turiaf went to I lost count of how many teams, Goudelock out the league, Morris out the league, Ebanks out the league, Caracter out the league, rush out the league, Cook out the league, and it the list goes on. Hell it includes Bynum whose grand achievement is a one time all star nod and being a C on a title team that was less effective than Luc Longley. Luke found his niche but was on borrowed time.

I'm just not buying the whole the lakers draft and pick out gems stuff. West picked out Kobe, fisher, Eddie, nick, worthy, Cooper, Scott, and the like. Mitch and Jimmy have Bynum, Luke, and a bunch of guys who couldn't stay in the league under their belt. I hope Randle and one of the others are different from the norm

[crazyeights]

That's quite an ambitious exercise but evaluating draft picks is one thing the front office does quite well or better than most.

Morris, Ebanks, Caracter, Cook, Rush, and the list goes on. They are hit and miss.

Cook helped us net Ariza, was apart of the original "bench mob", and for one stretch was our 2nd option on offense haha, so I take him as a hit.

IMO, that list isn't super relevant on the club now, as they've started doing the little things better ever since the new CBA forced them to change.

Before they were arrogant AF, especially with Phil...though that was under Dr. Buss's watch too.

[Michael Lucky]

Again the vast majority of players drafted that late in the draft (end of 1st and second round) don't stay in the league very long. So no, there's no such thing as a miss. Consider yourself fortunate when you can get yourself a good role player that late.

[crazyeights]

Morris, Ebanks, Caracter, Cook, Rush, and the list goes on. They are hit and miss.

Yeah because it's full of hits late in the first round and second rounds of the NBA draft. There's no such thing as a miss that late since you're expect to draft at best a role player.

That's bull. They reevaluated talent and character very poorly with a lot of them. They couldn't tell that Morris couldn't dribble without watching the ball and had no basketball skills? They couldn't vet that Ebanks had character issues, a low motor, and was an alcoholic? They could not see that Caracter who had been kicked off multiple teams had character issues and he was a risk? They took Cook early in the draft when he wasn't even pegged to be picked that high. Rush was taken over Tayshaun Prince and others.

The lakers knows what they do when they are drafting thing under Mitch is a mixed bag. Farmar can't stay in the league, Sasha is out the league, Turiaf went to I lost count of how many teams, Goudelock out the league, Morris out the league, Ebanks out the league, Caracter out the league, rush out the league, Cook out the league, and it the list goes on. Hell it includes Bynum whose grand achievement is a one time all star nod and being a C on a title team that was less effective than Luc Longley. Luke found his niche but was on borrowed time.

I'm just not buying the whole the lakers draft and pick out gems stuff. West picked out Kobe, fisher, Eddie, nick, worthy, Cooper, Scott, and the like. Mitch and Jimmy have Bynum, Luke, and a bunch of guys who couldn't stay in the league under their belt. I hope Randle and one of the others are different from the norm

Okay, man, look we get it--you don't think Mitch is great at drafting, that's fine. The thread is called "Lakers Begin 2015 Draft Workouts"-- enough derailing and stay on topic. I can't believe you're listing some of these guys here anyway.

And for context, our scouts loathed having to scout for players for the Triangle Offense.

[kblo247]

Edited. 2015 Draft Workouts.

[kblo247]

And past bad drafting and scouting comes into play when discussing current drafting and scouting when Mitch has been the gm of the millennium who hasn't been good with his picks unlike west. They need to look hard at talent and character, not in terms of what they hope these cats might be like they've done with all those clowns before, but in terms of who actually can play and know a how to use their bodies and skills now.

There's no reason, short of them being picked ahead of you that you shouldn't know damn well know the best players in the 20s are RHJ, T.Jones, and Upshaw. Guys who know how to actually play the game, know how to actually control their bodies, and aren't projects like Kelly, Ebanks, and the bunch as you try to recreate a lite version of Ariza and Radmanovic/Luke. There's no reason that the 30s pick isn't Delon Wright based off actual skill set and his ability to come into the league as an older guy and be solid

And again, stop with all the bs censorship because you can't take the truth that I've been dishing to you over the past couple years from the Nash trade on about our drafting, coaching, and the like. The past isn't just the past. If it's repeated and we go with what we have been doing, we can end up with some whack ass picks and a wasted chance to get 3 rotational players like past years. I want actual talent on this team, not castaways who will be out the league. I also will not pretend its roses when the lakers brass is in the sewers by their own steering. We got to refocus this summer in the draft, in free agency, and on our coaching staff by selecting new scouts, assistants, and techniques to better ourselves. That's what will make Randle/Okafor become a front court to be fear and our team be relavant again

[crazyeights]

And past bad drafting and scouting comes into play when discussing current drafting and scouting when Mitch has been the gm of the millennium who hasn't been good with his picks unlike west. They need to look hard at talent and character, not in terms of what they hope these cats might be like they've done with all those clowns before, but in terms of who actually can play and know a how to use their bodies and skills now.

There's no reason, short of them being picked ahead of you that you shouldn't know damn well the best players in the 20s are RHJ, T.Jones, and Upshaw. Guys who know how to actually play the game, know how to actually control their bodies, and aren't projects like Kelly, Ebanks, and the bunch as you try to recreate a lite version of Ariza and Radmanovic/Luke. There's no reason that the 30s pick isn't Delon Wright based off actual skill set and his ability to come into the league as an older guy and be solid

They began today with bubble players, are going to bring in up to 80 to workout...so, rest assured, they will not only have their draft board into the 20s, they'll rank all the way to the camp invites.

[Michael Lucky]

Trudell mentions using all four draft picks when going over what Mitch talked about? Does that mean we're looking to buy another second round pick this year?

[magicbesteva]

I know Mitch has to get the best player with the #2 pick but I don't like that he said there's 8 players they could select with the number two pick. It's should only be between Okafor Towns and Russell. Maybe Mudiay and Winslow.

[crazyeights]

Trudell mentions using all four draft picks when going over what Mitch talked about? Does that mean we're looking to buy another second round pick this year?

That was a typo, I think. He probably had that late Clippers pick we lost the last day of the season on the brain.

[Mirjalovic]

Derrick Caracter had really good post move, it's because his injury the Lakers waived him.

anyway, any videos from the workout ?

[DadoTheRabbet]

They need 4 groups. Lotto, 1st round, early second, late second which they can buy with Sacre/Kelly

As I understand it, you cannot trade players for picks. You still have to match salaries and picks are worth $0.