Draft Thread: Who do you want with the 13th pick? Stanley Johnson and WCS added..change votes if you want

[kennydorglas]

Suns draft workout: Aaron Harrison, UK; Kevin Pangos, Zags; Seth Turtle, UNI; Gerald Beverly, Daemen; J. Sibert, Dayton; K. Smith, La Tech.

EWWWWW again, but Tuttle is a baller.

[jcsunsfan]

I picked Kamisky. I don’t think any player on there is far and away clearly better than the others over Kaminsky. My three are Kaminsky, Turner, and Booker. Of the three though, nobody fits the team better than Kaminsky.

His ability on the pick and pop, catch and shoot and the glass as well as his passing to some extent make a player that combined with his maturity will be an asset within the current offense. He may have reached most of his potential already, but I project him as a stretch 4 with options to slide to the 5 in spot minutes and his ceiling to be anywhere from Love-lite, to Dirk-lite. Detractors of course could say he may just be Bargnani, which is a possibility, but Bargnani never performed on a national stage like Kamisky has. I think there is too much there that is good to help me overlook his lack of length, and his lack of man defense. I think Frank can improve his defense through his positioning.

Bledsoe/ Goodwin/ McNeal
Knight/ Green/ Bullock
Warren/ Granger/ Mook
Kamisky/ Kieff
Len/ / Asik (FA)/ Wright

I would happy watching that lineup, win or lose, I wouldn't care who would be handling the ball or shooting it the entire possession.

So, in that scenario, Tucker gets traded? Its not a bad lineup, although I think Asik might beat Len for the starting spot. Its certainly attainable.

[SideSwipe]

I picked Kamisky. I don’t think any player on there is far and away clearly better than the others over Kaminsky. My three are Kaminsky, Turner, and Booker. Of the three though, nobody fits the team better than Kaminsky.

His ability on the pick and pop, catch and shoot and the glass as well as his passing to some extent make a player that combined with his maturity will be an asset within the current offense. He may have reached most of his potential already, but I project him as a stretch 4 with options to slide to the 5 in spot minutes and his ceiling to be anywhere from Love-lite, to Dirk-lite. Detractors of course could say he may just be Bargnani, which is a possibility, but Bargnani never performed on a national stage like Kamisky has. I think there is too much there that is good to help me overlook his lack of length, and his lack of man defense. I think Frank can improve his defense through his positioning.

Bledsoe/ Goodwin/ McNeal
Knight/ Green/ Bullock
Warren/ Granger/ Mook
Kamisky/ Kieff
Len/ / Asik (FA)/ Wright

I would happy watching that lineup, win or lose, I wouldn't care who would be handling the ball or shooting it the entire possession.

So, in that scenario, Tucker gets traded? Its not a bad lineup, although I think Asik might beat Len for the starting spot. Its certainly attainable.

Yes and yes. I am thinking that is still a development team hence the young guys starting, but that would be a heck of a bench, too. I think they want Granger to be Grant Hill. Return him to for and get his career lengthened. He can play spot minutes at the 4. A front line over 7 feet is never a bad thing, either.

I think Len, Kaminsky would be very interesting to watch develop. Kaminsky can work the high post with his shot, and we can keep Len low. Or switch them. They will have visibility for eachothef there for miles. Bled and Knight should keep strong side pressure away from each of those guys also and should free them up for some easy dump passes.

[Saberestar]

I'm surprised that I haven't seen any mention of the Suns taking Looney at 13. He seems like the kind of upside pick that McDonough would like, especially with their need at backup PF and need for rebounding. Do you think he is too raw for where their team is at right now?

Chad Ford

Probably. Looney has enormous upside, but the learning curve scares teams right now. He hasn't quite figured out what he is. And it could take time. Not sure the Suns will have that sort of patience. Especially with players like Kaminsky, Devin Booker, Bobby Portis that could help right now.

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[DirtyDez]

Hard question to answer without knowing the first 12. So taking DX's mock into account who do you take and why...

1. Wolves - Karl Anthony-Towns
2. Lakers - Jahlil Okafor
3. Sixers - DeAngelo Russell
4. Knicks - Emmanuel Mudiay
5. Magic - Mario Hezonja
6. Kings - Willie Cauley-Stein
7. Nuggets - Justise Winslow
8. Pistons - Kristaps Porzingis
9. Charlotte - Stanley Johnson
10. Heat - Kelly Oubre
11. Indiana - Myles Turner
12. Jazz - Frank Kaminsky
13. Suns - ???

[jcsunsfan]

I am warming to the idea of Looney. He is a defender, defensive rebounder, and has a decent 3 point shot. That's a hot combo these days. He should be available.

[Kerrsed]

Hard question to answer without knowing the first 12. So taking DX's mock into account who do you take and why...

1. Wolves - Karl Anthony-Towns
2. Lakers - Jahlil Okafor
3. Sixers - DeAngelo Russell
4. Knicks - Emmanuel Mudiay
5. Magic - Mario Hezonja
6. Kings - Willie Cauley-Stein
7. Nuggets - Justise Winslow
8. Pistons - Kristaps Porzingis
9. Charlotte - Stanley Johnson
10. Heat - Kelly Oubre
11. Indiana - Myles Turner
12. Jazz - Frank Kaminsky
13. Suns - ???

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ8xedhpSDA[/youtube]

[bwgood77]

Yes, Looney is enticing. I was really high on him (and still am, but perhaps not as much with more thought about the size of Kaminsky and Turner), but someone asked why he was dropping in mocks, and I didn't know why. He could be a steal. Looking at his UCLA #s, he was a pretty impressive rebounder for a frosh...I think he had over 9 a game. I still wonder about Lyles though. Kentucky was so loaded I think he may be under the radar...everything I read says he is a very smart high iq basketball player. The only thing is I wish he had more range...but he is supposed to be money from short range.

I'd probably be happy with either in this scenario, or maybe even Portis. I am not sure about Looney's range (on second thought, I guess it says he has range right on the picture of the video in Kerssed's post), and they say he is a bit of a tweener...Ford compares him to Odom who worked well as a PF though, but at the same time, I never trust Ford that much unless he is relaying other GM opinions and I think this one is his own.

My insider subscription ran out. I may see if I can find a $10 per year ESPN mag subscription to get it, but it's certainly not what it used to be. I like Pelton, and I like some of the college basketball insider stuff, but that's about it. But $10 for a year would probably be worth it.

He's actually probably a better rebounder than Turner or Kaminsky. I'll have to watch Lyles video to see if I should change my third vote.

Lyles looks good too in his video...obviously they all look good in videos, but he seems pretty well rounded with a good iq. Ultimately this is why I think regardless of what happens, we end up with a solid player at 13 (as long as we take one of these big guys). Sure Booker might be solid too but we desperately need depth at the bigs with Len's injury past and with the Morris situation.

Here is Lyles video. http://player.complex.com/tv/iframe?cId ... xE6tmDm55F

The funny thing is, I want a PF with range, but those who want a protypical old school PF, I think Lyles is THAT guy. I think he is most Duncan-like.

[Flying Colors]

If we get Kevon Looney, we are going to hear Steve Albert yell "What a Looney!" alot after every great play

[SarcasticSun]

Looney or Turner for me right now. You can talk me into or out of picking Kaminsky at this point, I really don't know about him.

[thamadkant]

Turner - Great physical measurements. He could be an impact player if he plays hard.

Looney - Good defender and a 3pt shooter. If he lives up to his potential, you have a key PF in the modern NBA. I want him to be the next Horry.

Portis - I'm starting to see his potential... A better defending Markieff Morris.

Kaminsky - A stretch 4/5. Alex Brown and Kaminsky will be interesting.

[Mr-Al]

I'm surprised that I haven't seen any mention of the Suns taking Looney at 13. He seems like the kind of upside pick that McDonough would like, especially with their need at backup PF and need for rebounding. Do you think he is too raw for where their team is at right now?

Chad Ford

Probably. Looney has enormous upside, but the learning curve scares teams right now. He hasn't quite figured out what he is. And it could take time. Not sure the Suns will have that sort of patience. Especially with players like Kaminsky, Devin Booker, Bobby Portis that could help right now.

http://m.espn.go.com/general/chat/chat? ... nd=ref~%7B"ref"%3A"http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2Fz5xa8prWg2"%7D

typical win-now bull from the Suns as usual

I can rationalize taking Kaminsky there, Booker too somewhat

but no way in hell would I take Portis over Looney

I couldn't believe when McD said he'll think about trading out/down of the draft because we can too many young players

I hope Sarver isn't pushing the playoffs down our throats

[Mr-Al]

I just want us to workout Looney and Kaminsky and hear was McD has to say about them, I wonder when it'll happen

[Mr-Al]

I am warming to the idea of Looney. He is a defender, defensive rebounder, and has a decent 3 point shot. That's a hot combo these days. He should be available.

yup. I'm afraid he'll move up draft boards though

he's a bright, well spoken kid and depending on how the workouts go, I could a team like the Pacers or Utah draft him out of no where

I'm opening up to Kaminsky too, just because seeing him and Len play together would be really interesting to me

I'd be a little disappointed if we drafted Frank with Looney still on the board, but I'd get over it pretty quick

[Mr-Al]

Portis - I'm starting to see his potential... A better defending Markieff Morris.

Funny, if he gains weight I see him being exactly what you said

Still doesn't make me all that excited

[Mr-Al]

Yes, Looney is enticing. I was really high on him (and still am, but perhaps not as much with more thought about the size of Kaminsky and Turner), but someone asked why he was dropping in mocks, and I didn't know why. He could be a steal. Looking at his UCLA #s, he was a pretty impressive rebounder for a frosh...I think he had over 9 a game. I still wonder about Lyles though. Kentucky was so loaded I think he may be under the radar...everything I read says he is a very smart high iq basketball player. The only thing is I wish he had more range...but he is supposed to be money from short range.

I'd probably be happy with either in this scenario, or maybe even Portis. I am not sure about Looney's range (on second thought, I guess it says he has range right on the picture of the video in Kerssed's post), and they say he is a bit of a tweener...Ford compares him to Odom who worked well as a PF though, but at the same time, I never trust Ford that much unless he is relaying other GM opinions and I think this one is his own.

My insider subscription ran out. I may see if I can find a $10 per year ESPN mag subscription to get it, but it's certainly not what it used to be. I like Pelton, and I like some of the college basketball insider stuff, but that's about it. But $10 for a year would probably be worth it.

He's actually probably a better rebounder than Turner or Kaminsky. I'll have to watch Lyles video to see if I should change my third vote.

Lyles looks good too in his video...obviously they all look good in videos, but he seems pretty well rounded with a good iq. Ultimately this is why I think regardless of what happens, we end up with a solid player at 13 (as long as we take one of these big guys). Sure Booker might be solid too but we desperately need depth at the bigs with Len's injury past and with the Morris situation.

Here is Lyles video. http://player.complex.com/tv/iframe?cId ... xE6tmDm55F

The funny thing is, I want a PF with range, but those who want a protypical old school PF, I think Lyles is THAT guy. I think he is most Duncan-like.

I agree with all you said and after McD's latest comments about moving down or out of the draft, I'm a little scared now and think that would be a horrible idea

He made it sound like we have a young 21 yr. old at every position or something

[nevetsov]

The more picks are said to be available, the more saturated the market will appear, thus reducing what it will take to acquire one.

[RunDogGun]

The more picks are said to be available, the more saturated the market will appear, thus reducing what it will take to acquire one.

Ahh, I long for the days when a pick was only worth $3million. I'm still really curious what Philly is going to do with their five second rounders. No way they draft six players this offseason, even if they manage to stash a few overseas. Maybe we could grab one of the early second rounders for a future second? Then we could stash either that player or our second round pick.

[JMac1]

Hard question to answer without knowing the first 12. So taking DX's mock into account who do you take and why...

1. Wolves - Karl Anthony-Towns
2. Lakers - Jahlil Okafor
3. Sixers - DeAngelo Russell
4. Knicks - Emmanuel Mudiay
5. Magic - Mario Hezonja
6. Kings - Willie Cauley-Stein
7. Nuggets - Justise Winslow
8. Pistons - Kristaps Porzingis
9. Charlotte - Stanley Johnson
10. Heat - Kelly Oubre
11. Indiana - Myles Turner
12. Jazz - Frank Kaminsky
13. Suns - ???

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8-X3t10dXw[/youtube]

Young, thick and can shoot lights out!! We just need a pure shooters. Someone who is soo good, when he misses a three, you say "damn!! He missed WTF?!"

[nevetsov]

Sixers could use all 5 of their 2nd rounders to double their current talent base...