80's Broncos in the NFC

Celtsfan1980 · Post #1 » by **Celtsfan1980** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:46 pm

How much success do they have? What does this do to Elway's legacy?

Higga · Post #2 » by **Higga** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 5:35 pm

They'd get destroyed by the 49ers/Redskins/Giants. You know, the same teams that whooped them in all those Super Bowls.

bluejerseyjinx · Post #3 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Sat May 2, 2015 4:22 am

IMHO, Elway would have never made it to those Super Bowls. Can't see him getting by the 49ers, Redskins, Giants and Bears. No way.

RavenMad31 · Post #4 » by **RavenMad31** » Tue May 5, 2015 2:06 am

I think it's a testament to Elway's greatness that he dragged that useless bunch of crap to the Super Bowl three straight years, despite the whoopings they suffered at the hands of the NFC. Give him Jerry Rice, Charles Haley, Bill Romanowski, Roger Craig and Ronnie Lott and he would have buried anyone at that time.

Celtsfan1980 · Post #5 » by **Celtsfan1980** » Tue May 5, 2015 11:36 am

One person once claimed Elway as the greatest quarterback in history. The comebacks were great but statistically he was much closer to Eli than Payton. Eli has better playoff numbers, so there's not a huge gap between the two.

Post #6 » by **bwgood77** » Tue May 5, 2015 4:19 pm

RavenMad31 wrote:I think it's a testament to Elway's greatness that he dragged that useless bunch of crap to the Super Bowl three straight years, despite the whoopings they suffered at the hands of the NFC.

It's also a testament to how Cleveland is so unlucky.

RavenMad31 · Post #7 » by **RavenMad31** » Tue May 5, 2015 7:51 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
RavenMad31 wrote:I think it's a testament to Elway's greatness that he dragged that useless bunch of crap to the Super Bowl three straight years, despite the whoopings they suffered at the hands of the NFC.

It's also a testament to how Cleveland is so unlucky.

Lol. That is so true. The world kicks that city in the crotch constantly. I have always thought that those Browns teams weren't as good as the NFC champs of the time and apparently not quite as good as John Elway by himself, but they would have been pretty damn competitive if they had gone instead of Denver. They had very good players at every level on both sides of the ball.

RavenMad31 · Post #8 » by **RavenMad31** » Tue May 5, 2015 7:55 pm

Celtsfan1980 wrote:One person once claimed Elway as the greatest quarterback in history. The comebacks were great but statistically he was much closer to Eli than Payton. Eli has better playoff numbers, so there's not a huge gap between the two.

Greatest is pushing it. I am just talking off the top of my head, but it seems he got more efficient as he got older. I always hear that he never cared much for Dan Reeves and his offense. Whether or not that affected his productivity, I can't say. I will say this and it applies to Marino also, his surrounding talent was mostly garbage and the only reason you heard about these guys is because Elway and Marino made them better. So while, Elway isn't THE greatest, I can overlook his numbers a little and make the leap that he was better than some of the guys with better numbers than him. I would take him over Favre for instance and this may start a dumpster fire here, but probably over Peyton Manning too.

Post #9 » by **bwgood77** » Tue May 5, 2015 8:22 pm

RavenMad31 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
RavenMad31 wrote:I think it's a testament to Elway's greatness that he dragged that useless bunch of crap to the Super Bowl three straight years, despite the whoopings they suffered at the hands of the NFC.

It's also a testament to how Cleveland is so unlucky.

Lol. That is so true. The world kicks that city in the crotch constantly. I have always thought that those Browns teams weren't as good as the NFC champs of the time and apparently not quite as good as John Elway by himself, but they would have been pretty damn competitive if they had gone instead of Denver. They had very good players at every level on both sides of the ball.

I don't think the Browns had the talent of the Broncos or the NFC champs, but I think they overachieved because Marty Schottenheimer coaches his teams to be mistake free (few turnovers, penalties). I felt this way about the Chiefs when he was there too. Being a Chargers fan, I thought he took a little bit too much blame for playoff losses because, again, they may have outplayed their talent (even though that Chargers team was very talented). The Chargers also had two VERY unlucky playoff losses while he was there. The first one, against the Jets, they missed a FG in OT (not a long one), and then against the Pats a couple of years later, they had a bunch of crazy things happen. The worst was an interception that would have sealed it but the Chargers fumbled it back to the Pats on the int return. Being a mistake free football coach, these things had to really frustrate Marty.

Of course with Norv, Kaeding misses three fgs in a playoff game against the Jets, a game they lost by three.

Celtsfan1980 · Post #10 » by **Celtsfan1980** » Wed May 6, 2015 12:33 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
RavenMad31 wrote:I think it's a testament to Elway's greatness that he dragged that useless bunch of crap to the Super Bowl three straight years, despite the whoopings they suffered at the hands of the NFC.

It's also a testament to how Cleveland is so unlucky.

If the Browns were in the NFC they likely go nowhere. If anything, they were lucky. And I'm a Browns fan.

Post #11 » by **bwgood77** » Wed May 6, 2015 12:59 pm

Celtsfan1980 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
RavenMad31 wrote:I think it's a testament to Elway's greatness that he dragged that useless bunch of crap to the Super Bowl three straight years, despite the whoopings they suffered at the hands of the NFC.

It's also a testament to how Cleveland is so unlucky.

If the Browns were in the NFC they likely go nowhere. If anything, they were lucky. And I'm a Browns fan.

I agree about the NFC as I said, but they did blow two AFC Championship games at the very end in consecutive years. I wouldn't call the way they ended those games lucky.

bluejerseyjinx · Post #12 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Tue May 12, 2015 6:16 pm

RavenMad31 wrote:I think it's a testament to Elway's greatness that he dragged that useless bunch of crap to the Super Bowl three straight years, despite the whoopings they suffered at the hands of the NFC. Give him Jerry Rice, Charles Haley, Bill Romanowski, Roger Craig and Ronnie Lott and he would have buried anyone at that time.

Its obvious you didn't watch any football in the 80's. Wow.

RavenMad31 · Post #13 » by **RavenMad31** » Fri May 22, 2015 11:55 pm

bluejerseyjinx wrote:
RavenMad31 wrote:I think it's a testament to Elway's greatness that he dragged that useless bunch of crap to the Super Bowl three straight years, despite the whoopings they suffered at the hands of the NFC. Give him Jerry Rice, Charles Haley, Bill Romanowski, Roger Craig and Ronnie Lott and he would have buried anyone at that time.

Its obvious you didn't watch any football in the 80's. Wow.

Would you care to explain why it's obvious?

bluejerseyjinx · Post #14 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Fri May 29, 2015 6:54 pm

RavenMad31 wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:
RavenMad31 wrote:I think it's a testament to Elway's greatness that he dragged that useless bunch of crap to the Super Bowl three straight years, despite the whoopings they suffered at the hands of the NFC. Give him Jerry Rice, Charles Haley, Bill Romanowski, Roger Craig and Ronnie Lott and he would have buried anyone at that time.

Its obvious you didn't watch any football in the 80's. Wow.

Would you care to explain why it's obvious?

Not really. We can pick this debate up after you grow up, do some homework, study, see and UNDERSTAND the COMPLETE history of the NFL and how it was played with different rules before you were born.

RavenMad31 · Post #15 » by **RavenMad31** » Sat May 30, 2015 3:41 am

bluejerseyjinx wrote:
RavenMad31 wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:Its obvious you didn't watch any football in the 80's. Wow.

Would you care to explain why it's obvious?

Not really. We can pick this debate up after you grow up, do some homework, study, see and UNDERSTAND the COMPLETE history of the NFL and how it was played with different rules before you were born.

Lol. You're funny.

bluejerseyjinx · Post #16 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Mon Jun 1, 2015 7:02 pm

And you are in your own idealistic bubble.

RavenMad31 · Post #17 » by **RavenMad31** » Tue Jun 2, 2015 11:31 am

bluejerseyjinx wrote:And you are in your own idealistic bubble.

Idealistic? At the point you ripped me for having not watched any football in the 80s I was saying that it was a testament to Elway's greatness that he was able to get a sad sack Broncos team to three Super Bowls even though they got their asses kicked. I used the 49ers as an example since that's one of the teams that they played. Are you disputing that outside the position of QB, that the 49ers weren't vastly more talented AND better coached?