Embiid Noel & Russell vs Okafor Randle & Clarkson vs Towns Wiggins & Levine

[Crazy-Canuck]

I wonder how the Poll would have went if the OP used: Embiid, Russell, Noel VS Okafor, Wiggins, Payne VS Towns, Randall, Clarkson. I think the vote would have been a lot closer.

Why would you pick Payne as one of the most promising young players for the wolves? Well as a wolves fan I can only hope he justifies your confidence in him.

I think Payne a better prospect than Lavine. Thought it before the draft and Lavine didn't do anything to change that during the season. Shabazz is better than Lavine too, but he plays the same position that Wiggins will ultimately have to play.

I thought Lavine was a bad basketball player as well, but saying Payne is better is nuts.

If there is one player in the league with a lower bbiq than Lavine; its Payne. It wouldnt surprise me if he uses specially made basketball shoes with velcro rather than laces.

Agreed on Bazzy though. He really surprised me this year.

[No-Man]

Payne is 5 yolder than LaVine and worse than him today.
good luck with him, having gave up a 1st for him, doesnt matter if it is portected, it limits your flexibility and ability to make more trades down the road, it is all time stupid.

[EMG518]

Payne is 5 yolder than LaVine and worse than him today.
good luck with him, having gave up a 1st for him, doesnt matter if it is portected, it limits your flexibility and ability to make more trades down the road, it is all time stupid.

It is certainly a stupid move but it isnt all time, it is lottery protected until 2021. All time stupid would be something like the Nets trading the 5th pick of the draft because they only liked 3 players for an expiring Gerald Wallace. 5th pick was Damian Lillard, they could have signed Wallace in fa in a few months. That is all time stupid.

[dham1974]

Clarkson does not belong in this conversation, and Randle broke his tibia so the Lakers lose in the hypotetical players comparison.
What about,

Okafor, Wiggins, LaVine, Muhammad, Bjelica, Payne, Bennett, Dieng
Towns, Randle, Clarkson, Black, Kelly, Sacre
Embiid, Noel, Saric, Russell, Covington, Grant, Canaan, Robinson, Robinson, Sampson, Wroten

I think Minnesota wins, but it is close with Philly.
The Lakers are clearly far behind.

huh? Clarkson was first team rookie because he can play. As far as Randle goes your bias because you ignore Embiid not playing due to injury. smh

[Mr Sixer]

Lakers are clearly out of the discussion.

I think if you put Towns and Embiid as equal prospects, the two of Noel and Russell have higher combined ceilings than that of Wiggins and Lavine. Even though I'll admit Wiggins probably has the higher ceiling of the 4 of them, I think Lavine, or any 3rd prospect you wanna pick from the Wolves roster, is just clearly a much inferior prospect to whoever you think is worse of Noel or Russell and its not really close.

[Showtime:Part2]

Would just be hilarious if we came back to this thread a yr later, and lakers are in the first place. So silly to me all these comments about how lakers are a DISTANT third. And so much hate for clarkson. Go watch his youtube of his game against Okc. He outplayed Westbrook and showed serious star potential. 2nd half of the season he was spectacular. Very impressed by him and his stats are close to 21 yr old Westbrook. Randle projects to have a floor of Blake griffin light to me. Don't see why he doesn't get the Charles Barkley comparisons more for his ceiling (note I said ceiling not base case). And ppl just assume Okafor=al Jefferson while assuming towns=Duncan and embiid=Hakeem. Comical


Granted, minny is #1 to me bc wiggins is that legit (advanced stats be damned). But it's not so clear to me after that, esp since embiids injuries are the type that come back. Russell to me looks like he has a ceiling of unauthentic Brandon Roy minus the defense, which is fringe all star at best.

[Foye]

It all depends on how Russell tests during his workout. A 38 inch vertical would quell the "is he athletic enough to be elite" questions. And if Kobe is brought in to work him out & Kobe gives his seal of approval, I think he'll be a star.

Kobe also thought Wes Johnson would be a star. Just saying.

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[misterrunon]

I think Lavine and Wiggins are overrated - Wiggins will be a good player though, but not a superstar like everyone seems to think he will be. Lavine, OTOH, won't be that good either. I mean, the guy has been working on his vertical. Why would he even bother to work on that when he can already jump out of the building?

[dham1974]

Lakers are clearly out of the discussion.

I think if you put Towns and Embiid as equal prospects, the two of Noel and Russell have higher combined ceilings than that of Wiggins and Lavine. Even though I'll admit Wiggins probably has the higher ceiling of the 4 of them, I think Lavine, or any 3rd prospect you wanna pick from the Wolves roster, is just clearly a much inferior prospect to whoever you think is worse of Noel or Russell and its not really close.

Based on what? Are you basing this on the potential of a player who may never be healthy? what are you basing this on? And as far as Wiggins ceiling vs Russell's goes they're about equal

[Mik317]

This is a silly topic. 5 of these dudes haven't even played in the NBA yet. One of them had a pretty bad season and 3 are still figuring things out.

Come back in 5 years

[dham1974]

This is a silly topic. 5 of these dudes haven't even played in the NBA yet. One of them had a pretty bad season and 3 are still figuring things out.
Come back in 5 years

This is no different from what front offices do before the draft so tell me again how silly it is and why you took your time out respond to it.


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[HeartBreakKid]

First off you can't just sever Embiid's health concerns from his draft stock - and so yes Wiggins was clearly a notch above. Secondly, even when they were both healthy their draft stock was neck-and-neck, along with Parker. And when that happens IMHO you always go with the guy with the career record and not the late bloomer who had one good year in college.

This isnt true. Embiid was a clear step above Parker and Wiggins for people who follow draft prospects/college ball. Early in the season all three were neck to neck - if we go back to the day before Embiid hurt himself he was comfortably mocked as #1.

[BlaH_]

Seeing as 4 of 6 of these players have either never played in the NBA or are not even in the NBA, this thread is way premature. Not too mention, who knows who drafts who, who trades who, etc.

Lol this.
I love discussing players and teams potential but we don't even know if this is how the draft is going to play out.

[Agnostifarian]

What is this, a trick question? I defer to the collective wisdom of the pole; PHI in a landslide. Nuclear winter is on the horizon. LAL? Huh?

[MAGICian619]

I'll take Payton, Oladipo, Gordon & #5 pick.

[LloydFree]

I'll take Payton, Oladipo, Gordon & #5 pick.

1. Embiid, #3 pick, Noel, Covington
2. #1 pick, Wiggins, Muhammad, Lavine
3. Antetokoumpo, Parker, MCW, #16 pick


4. #2 pick, Randle, Clarkson, #27 pick
5. Oladipo, Gordon, Payton, #5 pick

[rugbyrugger23]

if the draft happens as most of us expect it to who will have the best young group of players for the future?

Wolves

76ers





Lakers


But too early to tell. Let the draft happen, plus really need to see Embiid and Randle after injuries actually prove something or not. And with Saric and draft picks owed, 76ers should hold this crown going forward and for quite some time (unless Embiid is next Greg Oden).

[joyeuxnoel]

if the draft happens as most of us expect it to who will have the best young group of players for the future?

Wolves

76ers





Lakers


But too early to tell. Let the draft happen, plus really need to see Embiid and Randle after injuries actually prove something or not. And with Saric and draft picks owed, 76ers should hold this crown going forward and for quite some time (unless Embiid is next Greg Oden).

saric is going to dominate europe next year,i think he'll never be as good embiid but he could surpass noel if his jumper becomes deadly

[Unbreakable99]

if the draft happens as most of us expect it to who will have the best young group of players for the future?

Wolves

76ers





Lakers


But too early to tell. Let the draft happen, plus really need to see Embiid and Randle after injuries actually prove something or not. And with Saric and draft picks owed, 76ers should hold this crown going forward and for quite some time (unless Embiid is next Greg Oden).

saric is going to dominate europe next year,i think he'll never be as good embiid but he could surpass noel if his jumper becomes deadly

That's pushing it. I would be shocked if Saric is even close to Embiid. Settle down. I like Saric but come on.

[joyeuxnoel]

Wolves

76ers





Lakers


But too early to tell. Let the draft happen, plus really need to see Embiid and Randle after injuries actually prove something or not. And with Saric and draft picks owed, 76ers should hold this crown going forward and for quite some time (unless Embiid is next Greg Oden).

saric is going to dominate europe next year,i think he'll never be as good embiid but he could surpass noel if his jumper becomes deadly

That's pushing it. I would be shocked if Saric is even close to Embiid. Settle down. I like Saric but come on.

im saying he could surpass noel not embiid, he has no shot of surpassing embiid barring injuries. But if noel never ends up maturing offensively and saric does then yeah he would surpass noel since offense is valued more then defense these days

look at these superstars/stars:

curry
griffin
harden
kyrie
love

they are all offensive studs but don't back it up defensively.