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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#3541 » by SARGO127 » Sun May 31, 2015 8:43 pm

92Knicksfan93 wrote:People need to get it through their heads Ben McLemore is not a very good player. He's limited athletically: at 6'3.5" without shoes with a 6'7" wingspan, and 8'4" standing reach he's going to struggle on the glass and defending against longer wings and will be bothered by them when he's on offense. On a good team he's a high energy 6th/7th man off the bench line a Shannon Brown type player. He's never going to be a star player. He's the shooting guard version of Richard Jerferson-that's not a player we need.


Once again, no one is saying he is a starplayer. He's the type of player you get when you move down TWO spots in the draft and deal a useless 7 million dollar point guard.
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#3542 » by malik959 » Sun May 31, 2015 8:48 pm

newyorker4ever wrote:
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malik959 wrote:
Each one of these trades have the Knicks trading a possible star for scrubs and a #7 :banghead: O&B your better than this, if the Knicks trade the #4 they better get a star or possible star.


How the hell do you know if the player at #4 is a possible star and yet the player at #6 or #7 is not? :banghead: :banghead:
On top of that you don't know anything about who the Knicks may have higher on their board. Just because some people have Mudiay at #4 does not mean that Knicks don't have him at #7 with guys like WCS, Winslowand Porzingis all ahead of them. Plus getting an extra starter back to move 2 or 3 spots down isn't a dumb idea :banghead: :banghead: it's a dumb idea not to take the extra starter if you are moving down to take your top ranked player. Regardless what some turds on a message board think.

Well said and i agree 100%. People think because some damn dang draft site has players ranked at a certain number that everyone has those players ranked the same dang way which is ridiculous. Phil hasn't done enough as a GM to not make me nervous about what he's gonna end up doing with our pick but if he can trade down some while bringing in a player that can help us then i'm all for it.


No what I'm saying is this team has years of bad trades where we never get the upper hand on the deal. This pick is the HIGHEST pick we've had sense Ewing and you want to trade it away for Clarkson, who was a second rd and shows no more promise than Galo, and Jordan Hill who is the most inconsistent forward in the game. Bad Trade.

Trade 2)George Hill is getting paid 16mil for the next 2 years to score 4 more ppg. than Galo. That's more than Calderon so we're adding salary when were trying to get a superstar. Mahinmi who?, does he even avg. more than 1bpg? Bad Trade.

Trade 3) Terrence Jones? He Avg. about 4 RPG, career 6.8, and we get his scrubb azz for two years? Papanikolou? Do we really
NEED
them or are we making trades just to say we made a trade? Bad Trade.

Trade 4) Hood is on a 5 year contract and we're already stacked at SF, why would we add more money to what we already have. None of these players do anything great, are they decent players? Yes, but they're not worth mentioning to a team trying to rebuild. The only thing good about this trade is picking up two draft picks which also takes away from money we need this summer. Bad Trade.

So yes until we make a trade that 1) benefits us, 2) we actually win the trade, and 3) we don't hinder ourselves with incoming contracts that hurt us in the long run I will continue to bang my head :banghead:

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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#3543 » by 92Knicksfan93 » Sun May 31, 2015 8:51 pm

SARGO127 wrote:Do you guys only read what you want to read? We trade down 2 spots while dumping Calderon and picking up McLemore. McLemore is not the center of the deal, at all....


Ben McLemore provides no value to the Knicks at outside of his highlight dunks. Like THJR he doesn't defend. He's shorter than the typical 2 guard (without shoes) and lacks the ideal length and reach of the protopyical SG. He's a below average 2G from a height/length stand point. A bad defensive player.

He's not worth the Calderon dump!
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#3544 » by SARGO127 » Sun May 31, 2015 8:53 pm

What about signing Bismack to a contract like 3/13? Young big with defensive upside. No reason why he can't be our "WCS"
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#3545 » by 92Knicksfan93 » Sun May 31, 2015 8:56 pm

SARGO127 wrote:
92Knicksfan93 wrote:People need to get it through their heads Ben McLemore is not a very good player. He's limited athletically: at 6'3.5" without shoes with a 6'7" wingspan, and 8'4" standing reach he's going to struggle on the glass and defending against longer wings and will be bothered by them when he's on offense. On a good team he's a high energy 6th/7th man off the bench line a Shannon Brown type player. He's never going to be a star player. He's the shooting guard version of Richard Jerferson-that's not a player we need.


Once again, no one is saying he is a starplayer. He's the type of player you get when you move down TWO spots in the draft and deal a useless 7 million dollar point guard.


Any that is exactly why I wouldn't trade our draft pick just to get rid of Calderon. I have 0 count it 0 use for Ben McLemore. He's basically modern Lavor Postell, weeeeee! McLemore doesn't make us a better team than we were last year. He's not an upgrade over THJR for that matter unless you think McLemore's 112 DRating is awesome compared to THJR's 114 DRating.

I would rather eat the cost of Calderon at the very least he can provide veteran presence in the lockerroom and be more of a glue guy even if on the court he's a limited player. But I'm not cutting off my nose to spite my face.
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#3546 » by 92Knicksfan93 » Sun May 31, 2015 9:02 pm

SARGO127 wrote:What about signing Bismack to a contract like 3/13? Young big with defensive upside. No reason why he can't be our "WCS"


He's a restricted free agent. I don't know what it's going to cost to get him, but it seems like 3/13 is a deal Charlotte would match. I sure as hell don't want to trade for him if it involves giving up our 2015 #4 pick. He hasn't lived up to his top 10 pick draft status to warrant it.
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#3547 » by Besart19 » Sun May 31, 2015 9:08 pm

Mudiay/Galloway (5M)
Matthews/Shved (13M)
Carmelo/Brewer (27M)
Bass/Amundson (6M)
Gasol/Bargnani (20M)

=> 66M + (Lou and Bargs for the vet min, Shved with the MMLE); Cole, Early, Thanasis, Thomas & A.Miller as 3rd stringers!
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Post#3548 » by nykballa2k4 » Sun May 31, 2015 9:26 pm

I like that Memphis is looking at Oden. If they like him as a b/u center, might mean Koufos is totally available. I doubt Marc Gasol leaves, but of we see LA take a guard... we know whats up.
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#3549 » by No-Man » Sun May 31, 2015 9:28 pm

Trade 4th, Calderon and Hardaway for Bledsoe, 13th and 44th.
Draft Portis, 13th overall and Norman Powell, 44th.
Sign Marc Gasol, Danny Green, Elton Brand, Marcus Thornton, Landry Fields, Chuck Hayes, Reggie Evans.
Retain, Early, Antetokounmpo, Ledo, Galloway, Bargnani (for the miniMLE).

Bledsoe-Galloway
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Post#3550 » by SARGO127 » Sun May 31, 2015 9:30 pm

Fischella wrote:Trade 4th, Calderon and Hardaway for Bledsoe, 13th and 44th.
Draft Portis, 13th overall and Norman Powell, 44th.
Sign Marc Gasol, Danny Green, Elton Brand, Marcus Thornton, Landry Fields, Chuck Hayes, Reggie Evans.
Retain, Early, Antetokounmpo, Ledo, Galloway, Bargnani (for the miniMLE).

Bledsoe-Galloway
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Portis-Evans-Early
Gasol-Bargnani-Hayes


Not really a fan of Bledsoe.
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Post#3551 » by NYKnicksTAPE » Sun May 31, 2015 9:31 pm

Fischella wrote:Trade 4th, Calderon and Hardaway for Bledsoe, 13th and 44th.
Draft Portis, 13th overall and Norman Powell, 44th.
Sign Marc Gasol, Danny Green, Elton Brand, Marcus Thornton, Landry Fields, Chuck Hayes, Reggie Evans.
Retain, Early, Antetokounmpo, Ledo, Galloway, Bargnani (for the miniMLE).

Bledsoe-Galloway
Green-Thornton-Powell-Ledo
Anthony-Fields-Antetokounmpo
Portis-Evans-Early
Gasol-Bargnani-Hayes

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Post#3552 » by SARGO127 » Sun May 31, 2015 9:39 pm

Sign LMA
Sign Middleton
Trade #4, Calderon for Kemba, #9 (WCS) , #39 (Danilo Fuzaro_

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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#3553 » by 92Knicksfan93 » Sun May 31, 2015 9:42 pm

malik959 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
Johnny Hoops wrote:
How the hell do you know if the player at #4 is a possible star and yet the player at #6 or #7 is not? :banghead: :banghead:
On top of that you don't know anything about who the Knicks may have higher on their board. Just because some people have Mudiay at #4 does not mean that Knicks don't have him at #7 with guys like WCS, Winslowand Porzingis all ahead of them. Plus getting an extra starter back to move 2 or 3 spots down isn't a dumb idea :banghead: :banghead: it's a dumb idea not to take the extra starter if you are moving down to take your top ranked player. Regardless what some turds on a message board think.

Well said and i agree 100%. People think because some damn dang draft site has players ranked at a certain number that everyone has those players ranked the same dang way which is ridiculous. Phil hasn't done enough as a GM to not make me nervous about what he's gonna end up doing with our pick but if he can trade down some while bringing in a player that can help us then i'm all for it.


No what I'm saying is this team has years of bad trades where we never get the upper hand on the deal. This pick is the HIGHEST pick we've had sense Ewing and you want to trade it away for Clarkson, who was a second rd and shows no more promise than Galo, and Jordan Hill who is the most inconsistent forward in the game. Bad Trade.

Trade 2)George Hill is getting paid 16mil for the next 2 years to score 4 more ppg. than Galo. That's more than Calderon so we're adding salary when were trying to get a superstar. Mahinmi who?, does he even avg. more than 1bpg? Bad Trade.

Trade 3) Terrence Jones? He Avg. about 4 RPG, career 6.8, and we get his scrubb azz for two years? Papanikolou? Do we really
NEED
them or are we making trades just to say we made a trade? Bad Trade.

Trade 4) Hood is on a 5 year contract and we're already stacked at SF, why would we add more money to what we already have. None of these players do anything great, are they decent players? Yes, but they're not worth mentioning to a team trying to rebuild. The only thing good about this trade is picking up two draft picks which also takes away from money we need this summer. Bad Trade.

So yes until we make a trade that 1) benefits us, 2) we actually win the trade, and 3) we don't hinder ourselves with incoming contracts that hurt us in the long run I will continue to bang my head :banghead:

Nothing against you NY, but we must do better than this.


You hit the nail on the head, these hypothetical trades are just trades to say we made a trade to satisfy the fans that cry babied about the tank season. They would rather we operate like Thomas and Layden making idiotic trades just to chase a 5-8 seed in the Eastern Conference, but those moves would do nothing to improve the chances of winning a title. The icing on the cake of these latest trades is Ben McLemore or trading with Denver without getting back TY Lawson, or trading with Utah for Gobert without getting back their first round pick this year.
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#3554 » by Mason14nyk » Sun May 31, 2015 9:47 pm

Hence the reason draft picks are more valuable in a capped league. Always pying for FAs leave your with bloated contracts on over the hill players. Instead rookies that are developed by year 3 give you two years of value playing well anove their contracts and to that poibt playibg even harder because they want/need that next contract.
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Post#3555 » by 92Knicksfan93 » Sun May 31, 2015 9:47 pm

There is zero trade down scenario that I will agree to where the primary purpose for doing the trade is clearing Calderon.
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Post#3556 » by kej718 » Sun May 31, 2015 9:58 pm

Found this on a Reddit page (old article but interesting). Shows the salary each play is expected to make but it was before the playoffs / draft so things can change.
Rondo? Aldridge? 12 realistic Knicks free-agent targets
http://nypost.com/2015/04/18/rondo-aldridge-12-realistic-knicks-free-agent-targets/
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New York basketball fans love college prospects, ping-pong ball possibilities and the fact the Knicks will have a top-five pick come June 25. But Knicks president Phil Jackson was as clear as the blue sky over Los Angeles on March 12 when he emphasized free-agent additions are the key to next season’s revival.
“In the present day in the NBA, 19-, 20-year-olds, coming into the league, it’s really hard to project what that player will be like in his first contract situation,’’ Jackson said. “We know what the first-round pick will mean to us, but we also know we will build the team on free agents. We have 190 players or so who will be free agents. That’s where our priority stands.’’
The Knicks will have $26 million of 2015 cap space after signing their top-five pick, and Jackson said the goal is to sign three prominent free agents — preferably two starters. The trick is spreading the wealth wisely, perhaps with enticements of one-year opt-outs. The Knicks don’t have a big man under contract for 2015-16, but could use help defensively at guard.
Figure center Marc Gasol (Memphis), Kevin Love (Cleveland) and Goran Dragic (Miami) re-sign, and restricted free agents Jimmy Butler (Chicago), Kawhi Leonard (San Antonio) and Reggie Jackson (Detroit) have offer sheets matched by their teams.
Paring our January list, here is a group of more realistic targets with various starting-salary estimates — the figure that counts more than the deal’s average wage.
C/PF LaMarcus Aldridge (Blazers): Rumblings are it’s no longer a guarantee he re-signs with the Blazers, especially if they’re one-and-done in the playoffs. He talked about fitting the triangle offense during All-Star weekend, but his max starting salary is a hefty $18.9 million. Can Jackson convince Aldridge to sign for one year at less than the max so he can reap the benefits of the 2016 cap explosion?
C Greg Monroe (Pistons): A nifty, left-handed low-post scoring fit to cement the triangle, but is no stout defender and may come overpriced if he needs the max for his years of service to sign — about $15 million. But he seems bent on exiting Detroit and said he is ready to meet with Jackson.
PF Paul Millsap (Hawks): Could be solid tag-team with Carmelo Anthony, adding more grit, scoring (16.7 ppg) and perhaps comes cheaper than Monroe at a starting wage of $13 million with opt-out after one season.
PG Rajon Rondo (Mavericks): Word is he would love to play with fellow Oak Hill Academy stud Carmelo Anthony, though not a traditional triangle fit. Hasn’t helped market value in Dallas and may not get raise over current $12.5 million wage.
SG Wesley Matthews (Blazers): Ruptured Achilles could help Knicks as market value softens, perhaps to less than starting salary of $10 million with no guarantee he is ready for camp. He is the rugged, 3-point-shooting, stout, big-guard defender Knicks crave.
C DeAndre Jordan (Clippers): Has talked of interest in New York, and is the menacing, athletic defensive, rim-protecting center Jackson said he wants. But why would Clippers let him flee?
C Robin Lopez (Blazers): Another active defensive center who comes more reasonably priced than Jordan — or even his brother, Brook. Not a bad value if starting salary is $8 million.
SF/PF Tobias Harris (Magic): Pride of Dix Hills wants to be here and is only 22. But would need to overpay a player who plays Anthony’s position. Orlando brass is threatening to match almost any offer.
SF/SG DeMarre Carroll (Hawks): Calls himself “The Junkyard Dog’’ because of his gritty, defensive mentality and has picked up his offensive firepower this season. Expressed interest in New York and playing for Derek Fisher and perhaps can start at $6 million.
SG/SF: Khris Middleton (Bucks): Could be value signing of free-agent class — a good defender who averaged 13.4 points and shot 40.7 percent from 3 with starting wage in $5 million range.
SG Danny Green (Spurs): Long Island kid who is getting All-Defensive Team votes and is a fine 3-point marksman. Perhaps takes a home discount.
PG/SG: Patrick Beverley (Rockets): Perimeter-defending point guard is good fit, depends how cheaply he comes.

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Middleton and Carrol's numbers seem off. If we are expected to have 27 mil in cap we would be able to sign both guys and Monroe or Milsap.
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#3557 » by 92Knicksfan93 » Sun May 31, 2015 10:01 pm

SARGO127 wrote:Sign LMA
Sign Middleton
Trade #4, Calderon for Kemba, #9 (WCS) , #39 (Danilo Fuzaro_

Kemba
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Melo
LMA
WCS
BN: Galloway, Hardaway, Early, Fuzaro, Aumndson, Vet FAs


I can't do this because Kemba Walker's O-Rating of 102 and D-Rating of 108 doesn't make us a better team. He's a 39% shooter from the field and 30% shooter from 3s. I liked him at UCONN, hate him in the NBA. All we've done is ensured that UCONN fans have a reason to watch one of their overrated NBA players play for a local team.
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Post#3558 » by Besart19 » Sun May 31, 2015 10:09 pm

Would've been great if Chris Paul demanded a trade...

Mudiay, Jose and 2018 Top 5 protected for CP3

Melo needs a veteran PG in the worst way...

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Post#3559 » by newyorker4ever » Sun May 31, 2015 10:35 pm

92Knicksfan93 wrote:There is zero trade down scenario that I will agree to where the primary purpose for doing the trade is clearing Calderon.

It's alright though cause you're just a fan on a message board so it's ok if you don't agree to any imaginary trades. lol
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Post#3560 » by 92Knicksfan93 » Sun May 31, 2015 10:45 pm

newyorker4ever wrote:
92Knicksfan93 wrote:There is zero trade down scenario that I will agree to where the primary purpose for doing the trade is clearing Calderon.

It's alright though cause you're just a fan on a message board so it's ok if you don't agree to any imaginary trades. lol


The purpose of making a trade is to improve your team's talent. Many of these trade downs people are throwing out where the 4 is attached to Calderon involve us getting younger mediocre players in return with no bang to their game that enables you to get excited about trading away from the 4 pick.
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