Philly wiiling to Eat Cole Hamels Salary now

[North_of_Border]

They were already willing to eat part of his salary for a good return but now they are willing to eat even more. A sign of desperation. He is also pitching at an elite level right now with a 2.91 ERA and 76 K in 74 Innings..... Philly wants an elite prospect pect in return.

2015 - $22.5 million
2016 - $22.5 million
2017 - $22.5 million
2018 - $22.5 million
2019 - $20 million club option

...... remember we are currently paying Buhrle, a 500 career pitcher 20 million. Dickey is at 12-13 million if im not mistaken. If Jays want an elie pitcher of Hamels's stature in FA, it will cost more than a 4 year deal, which is what Hamels is locked to. Yes he will cost an elite prospect, but this a Josh Donaldson type of move in my opinion. worth the risk. consider the risks of prospects and the status of Hamels. If Philly is even willing to eat 5 million per season of that salary, its a steal.

just for example:

- Pompey, Boyd, Osuna for Hamels, mid level prospect (would that be enough in ur opinion?)

or

- Penecost, Castro, Lugo for Hamels..... ?

ofcourse Hamels has a no trade clause.... whole new story. But assuming he would waive.

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ofcourse Hamels has a no trade clause.... whole new story. But assuming he would waive.

Unless he changes his mind, he said recently that he would NOT waive his NTC to come to Toronto.

Jon Heyman at CBS Sports reports that the Blue Jays are not likely to pull the trade off, as Hamels will not waive his no trade clause for that team. The Cardinals could be an option, as they have lost Adam Wainwright for the season to an injury and may look at adding another top pitcher. The Red Sox remain the most likely option, as they have a deep farm system and a major need. The team was expected to have a deep rotation this year,

[North_of_Border]

ofcourse Hamels has a no trade clause.... whole new story. But assuming he would waive.

Unless he changes his mind, he said recently that he would NOT waive his NTC to come to Toronto.

Jon Heyman at CBS Sports reports that the Blue Jays are not likely to pull the trade off, as Hamels will not waive his no trade clause for that team. The Cardinals could be an option, as they have lost Adam Wainwright for the season to an injury and may look at adding another top pitcher. The Red Sox remain the most likely option, as they have a deep farm system and a major need. The team was expected to have a deep rotation this year,

u have a point

but i think some team willing to give u an elite prospect is gonna have a steal on their hands. Similar to the Donaldson deal Toronto pulled off. Financially this deal is huge for a player of his stature. On the open marlet Hamels would command a 7-8 year year contract minnimum for maybe even more money.

[Kurtz]

I'd give up either of those packages...especially the Pentecost one, since we'll most likely have to trade Max soon anyway. If only Hamels was willing to come here.

[torontoaces04]

Hamels isn't coming...if he does, I'd be shocked!

[Sifu]

Its ambiguously reported how much salary Philly is willing to take on. All we know is that it is more but more is a wide range.

Also, there is value in these prospects and a package of trading for a player plus paying them has an all in cost.

Or put another way, Hamel's is owed 110m / 5 years including the option.

Say Philly eats 20 m of that to bring it to 90m.

Then a package of prospects likely to include one of Hoff or Norris, plus one of Osuna or Castro, and another prospect.

Knowing what we have in those prospectd, how much money would they be worth in the open market? Is Hoffman was unsigned, would you drop 5m right now to sign him? I think so.

Not sure what the value of these prospects are but say its another 10m altogether. Then the value paid to Hamel climbs to 100m.

Now at age 31/32, is Hamel worth that?

I'm not sure.

Couple in that this is a win now move and the window is basically this year and at best next year, followed by years of financial inflexibility. We will be treading water for many years and another prolonged period of playoff futility.

Sign me up for that!

[Xaos]

I'd wait a little longer. Philly will get desperate and won't be asking as much when that time comes. We would also have Hamels locked up for the next few years.

Imagine a starting rotation of:

Hamels
Stroman
Sanchez
Buehrle
Hutch

Pretty damn good if you ask me!

[rarefind]

This team needs to play itself into a contender role before you even think about mortgaging the future further.

[Skin Blues]

The 2019 season is guaranteed at $24M if he is healthy in 2017 and 2018, and the buyout is $6M. His contract starting from this year is effectively 5 years, $118M. Basically it's the Lester contract with one less year of commitment, and whatever a sandwich pick is worth. So yeah, it's a good deal since he's healthy and effective right now, but that also means there's very little surplus value. You could have signed Lester in the offseason only with cash and a sandwich pick.

That said, I don't think much of Pompey so I'd be fine with trading him. I think hitters that haven't actually hit very well yet are constantly over-rated. But Pompey, Boyd and Osuna??? I don't know... seems too steep to me. Hard to know for sure the value of each of those guys but they are likely worth $40M in surplus value, or thereabouts. So if you'd do that trade, that's essentially like giving Jon Lester $32M/year. Which is almost certainly a lot more than it would have taken to outbid the Cubs in the offseason.

[Schad]

I'd wait a little longer. Philly will get desperate and won't be asking as much when that time comes. We would also have Hamels locked up for the next few years.

Philly has no real reason to get desperate. The only reason he hasn't been traded is that teams weren't willing to give up an absolute king's ransom in the off-season. They'll get a very good package from someone, and trading Hoffman + others (because that's likely what it'll take; Boston was dangling a pretty serious package, but Amaro wanted the moon) for a guy in his 30s attached to a massive deal in order to save a season in which we're on pace to win 72 games is madness.

[Lateral Quicks]

We shouldn't be mortgaging the future at all until this team proves it's competitive. One starter upgrade or one bullpen upgrade isn't enough. Hopefully AA has learned his painful lesson from the Dickey trade and learned not to go all in until the team on the field merits it.