Draftexpress drops Mudiay down to pick #6 today

[Obi-One]

Things are going to get very interesting when the Lakers take Mudiay at #2

[NoLayupRule]

Things are going to get very interesting when the Lakers take Mudiay at #2

dreams are a wonderful thing

if they take anyone other than Okafor its Russell

they need shooting not another developing shooter


they could shock the world and take Mario possibly

[NOOB77]

We were linked to him before so maybe some interest there. I think that team has a solid foundation.

I would only consider it if we are definitely getting Taj

That team stinks.

No cuties ??

[Greenie]

Trade the pick and Jose for...Rubio.


Runs and hides...

[DickGrayson]

Winslow is a guy you want on your team once he plays out his rookie contract.

What does that even mean?
Aren't we drafting these guys based on what they're going to be 3-5 years from now? If Winslow is a guy you want once he played 3-4 years....then isn't he a success?

Maybe you should watch him without a blind fold because Winslow's footage shows he has superstar potential. He's just not the kind of "superstar" that Okafor is, being a great scorer and nothing else. He's a throwback superstar with intangibles. Winslow can score, pass, rebound and defend really well. He's arguably a top 2 player in this draft. Draft Express sees Winslow as a top 2-4 talent...HOWEVER

this doesn't mean Mudiay isn't. Mudiay is really **** good. I had Mudiay #1 before September 2014. He's #3 to me right now. Knicks will get a STEAL in WINSLOW and MUDIAY.

Very few power forwards overpower him inside the paint, while he's quick and agile enough to stay in front of guards on the perimeter, giving him tremendous versatility on this end of the floor. His footwork and lateral movement is outstanding for a player his age, as he's always in a stance, displays tremendous focus and awareness, and is incredibly tough, physical and competitive. While he's tremendous one on one, he's even better as a team defender, doing an outstanding job of making the right rotations and helping out his teammates, digging down on the post, closing out on shooters, and finding ways to make plays off the ball, averaging 1.8 steals and 1.2 blocks per-40 minutes.

Offensively, Winslow is not the most prolific scorer around, with his 17 points per-40 ranking towards the bottom among wing players in this draft, but he's efficient, with a 58% TS%, and also is a solid passer who rarely turns the ball over. He's excellent in transition, where he finds himself frequently with his aggressive style of play, and can also go down to the low post and punish opposing players with his strong frame. He is very intelligent operating off the ball, showing a great knack for being in the right place at the right time and making strong cuts to the rim when the opportunity presents itself.

- From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3bvjMlawF (JW's scouting report)


Winslow real weakness is shooting off the dribble (2 out of 19 at DUKE). Winslow has the work ethic to develop this part of his game, most SF's his age do so. If Winslow develops that part of his game, what stops him from being an all star or franchise SF?

Winslow a GYM RAT, an extremely intelligent player who is highly unselfish, executes extremely well offensively, and has won in EVERY single level he's been at. He won THREE gold medals with USA Basketball, and a NCAA championship as a freshman.

If you don't think Winslow is a competitor and can change the culture of a franchise, then you need to see an eye doctor.

[Greenie]

I would only consider it if we are definitely getting Taj

That team stinks.

No cuties ??

Winslow and Melo are cute...
Team still stinks though...

[god shammgod]

if he wants to use a 1st to drop caldeon they should fire him on the spot. he already used tyson to drop felton and now he has to use a pick to drop jose ? do you understand how horrible that is ?

so theoretically if LMA and Gasol both told there agents to set up a meaning with Phil and Melo and lets get this done. You would have an issue with moving calderon for a future protected pick?

you could walk away with Mudiay, Melo, LMA, and Gasol and you want him fired?

I don't think we move the 2018 pick for Calderon but every move should be judged in a vacuum. The deal is done. The point is to make this team better.

Now I know it is drastic, but its phil fault that calderon got hurt last year?

you don't even have the money for that. you would need 40 million for the 2 of them.

and no, you can't judge them individually when they lead to each other. he took on salary with the tyson deal for a player he didn't want shortly after acquiring him. which made moving shump/jr for nothing that much more important to get more cap space. now he 's gonna use a pick to clean up the mess further ? that's ridiculous.

[DickGrayson]

The hate for Winslow is real.

and has no substance AT ALL.
These guys supposedly watched the NCAA tourney but obviously were too focus on Okafor's big booty over Winslows domination.
but can't even get access to CBA games and realistically don't sit and watch full games. Just work outs and dunk montages of Mudiay.

It's crazy because I really like Mudiay, but I'm not dumb enough to believe Mudiay, Russell, Okafor and Towns are the only ones in this draft with high potential. We don't know how good these guys will be. We just know the tools they possess now and they're all promising, but so are 3-4 other players.

[K_ick_God]

if he wants to use a 1st to drop caldeon they should fire him on the spot. he already used tyson to drop felton and now he has to use a pick to drop jose ? do you understand how horrible that is ?

so theoretically if LMA and Gasol both told there agents to set up a meaning with Phil and Melo and lets get this done. You would have an issue with moving calderon for a future protected pick?

you could walk away with Mudiay, Melo, LMA, and Gasol and you want him fired?

I don't think we move the 2018 pick for Calderon but every move should be judged in a vacuum. The deal is done. The point is to make this team better.

Now I know it is drastic, but its phil fault that calderon got hurt last year?

I don't see it as horrible at all, even without adding LMA and Gasol, which would obviously make his sequence of moves not terrible.

Tyson was not a significant asset going into last season. He was coming off a terrible season. Calderon was coming off of a good season. Nobody thought, last summer, 'Oh great, at least we have Tyson in our arsenal, so we can use him to clear a bad contract and get a position upgrade too.'

[mpharris36]

you don't even have the money for that. you would need 40 million for the 2 of them.

and no, you can't judge them individually when they lead to each other. he took on salary with the tyson deal for a player he didn't want shortly after acquiring him. which made moving shump/jr for nothing that much more important to get more cap space. now he 's gonna use a pick to clean up the mess further ? that's ridiculous.

I think the 1st year max either could get is 18.5. If we cleared jose and dropped to a later pick that would be like freeing up 8 million. Getting use right around 36 million. You could even lose timmy for a future 2nd round pick to get us 37 million in space.

That would give each player starting at 18.5 which is there max no?

But I guess there really is no point in going back and forth since it wouldn't happen but the trade is made, its done. Calderon was suppose to have a better year. Injuries and having a terrible roster around him effected that. So the point I was now trying to make its a new year. We need to move on, live in the future and its not an unmovable contract.

if we need to move it because he is holding up an important signing, all I am saying is that we would be able to move it.

what exactly did you expect back from a tyson and felton trade though. I don't remember teams banging down our doors. We wanted to get into the draft. I am not sure a team would have just gave us straight cap space for those too because the team interested in tyson really didn't have cap space to give us. We had to take something back.

Maybe in theory you would have wanted Brandon Wright. Maybe we could of gotten him instead. I don't remember anyone asking for him though.

[Carl_Karlson]

More years at a high rate.

ok, I don't see NY giving Wade many years on a deal but let me ask you then why would we want to give Wade a 4 year high salary deal?

Hes breaking down at an alarming rate as is

Why not? Giving out long, pricy contracts to vets past their prime is what NYK does. I think he's got a few more years as a very good player in the league. His #s this year were actually better than the previous year. And, at least on paper, that lineup is very complementary. It looks like a classic Phil Jackson lineup with long defenders, shooter/defender at the PG, slashers, midrange specialists, finishers, big butt in the post...

Then you have Melo/Wade as a lure instead of just Melo. Their personalities complement each other with Wade as the more vocal player and other leadership around Melo with the young cats. Cap space in upcoming years.



It's not what I would do... it's what I see happening with a WCS pick. We shall see.

We should get LaLa for that

[Bklyn&company]

a lot could be feasible if we could trade calderon but phil himself said people weren't really interested. i don't have much hope.

the idea would be trading down. That would be the incentive to have someone to take calderon. Of course right now no one is going to just take calderon off our hands until he proves he can be healthy and productive. But if Phil wanted to get 35 million in cap space to do some damage to get two big FA names.

He could theoretically move down a few spots. Still get someone he likes. And shed Calderon contract. I actually think it would be pretty easy especially if Phil wasn't enamored with Mudiay.

This is what I've been trying to say. Move down, shed Jose, pick up an asset and draft WCS.

Denver gets: #4 and Jose
New York gets: #6 and a future 1st

Denver drafts: Manny (they are going to move Lawson)
New York drafts: WCS


It makes too much sense.

Trade Timmy too... Denver needs shooting! Lol... seriously... we need to give free agents reasons to join here together we need max money available. ..

[DickGrayson]

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Embrace it.

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[GONYK]

We were linked to him before so maybe some interest there. I think that team has a solid foundation.

I would only consider it if we are definitely getting Taj

That team stinks.

Maybe, but it would probably outperform a team that just adds WCS

[asuran]

Mudiay reminds me of how OJ Mayo was, not in the sense of skills/talent, but in the sense of potential and the buildup to his hype.

[NoLayupRule]

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Embrace it.

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Winslow is awfully damn good but he's gonna see a very different defense in the NBA and his post up / drive through won't work so well either

[Sark]

Draft just went from a 4 star draft to a 3 star draft. We're getting stuck with a role player instead of a franchise player because Fisher wasn't with team tank.

Yup. If only he had won 1-4 more games, we'd be sitting pretty.

As it's been said before, winning is not in your control. Losing is.

[GONYK]

Draft just went from a 4 star draft to a 3 star draft. We're getting stuck with a role player instead of a franchise player because Fisher wasn't with team tank.

Yup. If only he had won 1-4 more games, we'd be sitting pretty.

As it's been said before, winning is not in your control. Losing is.

Say it as often as you like. Doesn't make it true.

[Thorn]

No, he controls...

Melo is the new Starbury? Remember when folks used to blame Marbury for everything and not just bad things that happen specifically for the Knicks?

Marbury did much less damage but ok.

That is an interesting debate actually, statistically Marbury made teams he joined after parting ways with KG for the most part. I would like to see the damage he did in terms of win/loss compared to Melo.

[Sark]

Yup. If only he had won 1-4 more games, we'd be sitting pretty.

As it's been said before, winning is not in your control. Losing is.

Say it as often as you like. Doesn't make it true.

Then we should just make ourselves go 82-0 next year.