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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#621 » by kblo247 » Tue Jun 2, 2015 3:22 am

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Slava wrote:Yeah that'd put us in the Looney range if Washington/Toronto don't pick him at 19/20.



How freaking crazy if this happens...

Lakers draft Jahlil Okafor #2.
Lakers trade #27 and #34 for #22 and draft Kevon Looney.
Lakers sign Kevin Love as a FA.
Lakers sign Al-Farouq Aminu as a FA.

PG Jordan Clarkson, Vander Blue, Ronnie Price
SG Kobe Bryant, Jabari Brown
SF Al-Farouq Aminu, Nick Young, Kevon Looney
PF Kevin Love, Julius Randle, Ryan Kelly
C Jahlil Okafor, Tarik Black


That's the absolute best case scenario and it could be a borderline playoff team if we get a good year out of Kobe. I wouldn't even be surprised if Looney grabs the starting spot at SF over Aminu halfway into the season.

Draft Towns, sign Marc, sign rondo, draft Anderson, give the room to brewer

Rondo Clarkson Price
Kobe Nick Jabari
Brewer Anderson
Randle Towns
Marc Black

Looney is a wack mans post Achilles surgery Elton Brand. Marc is better than Love and so is Aldridge, so you would be better off paying them. The room is better spent on a guy who actually can stay in a rotation than Al, in the likes of Gerld Green or Corey Brewer. Rondo could be had cheap and make Clarkson fight to start, make him hungry, piss him off, and so on to continue his development as he has not earned a starting spot by being a numbers guy on a losing team. The suck twins of Kelly and Sacre shouldn't be on a roster, and neither should Wes
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#622 » by TyCobb » Tue Jun 2, 2015 3:24 am

Yeah, you didn't watch Looney at all this past season. He's nothing like Brand. :lol:
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#623 » by kblo247 » Tue Jun 2, 2015 3:28 am

He's very much like old man brand. All arms. He can board but at the nba level he's nothing more than a fifth best player at his best. He has no go to move, no shot, no amazing athletism, and is flat footed. He's not going to be anything more than a role guy in the nba, which is why I stick with old man Brand that Phili got. His way too slow to play the 3 and doesn't have the hops or shot blocking to play the 5. He's a 4 that would get his lunch money took 9/10 times by taj Gibson
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#624 » by LApwnd » Tue Jun 2, 2015 3:29 am

kblo247 wrote:
Slava wrote:
TyCobb wrote:

How freaking crazy if this happens...

Lakers draft Jahlil Okafor #2.
Lakers trade #27 and #34 for #22 and draft Kevon Looney.
Lakers sign Kevin Love as a FA.
Lakers sign Al-Farouq Aminu as a FA.

PG Jordan Clarkson, Vander Blue, Ronnie Price
SG Kobe Bryant, Jabari Brown
SF Al-Farouq Aminu, Nick Young, Kevon Looney
PF Kevin Love, Julius Randle, Ryan Kelly
C Jahlil Okafor, Tarik Black


That's the absolute best case scenario and it could be a borderline playoff team if we get a good year out of Kobe. I wouldn't even be surprised if Looney grabs the starting spot at SF over Aminu halfway into the season.

Draft Towns, sign Marc, sign rondo, draft Anderson, give the room to brewer

Rondo Clarkson Price
Kobe Nick Jabari
Brewer Anderson
Randle Towns
Marc Black

Looney is a wack mans post Achilles surgery Elton Brand. Marc is better than Love and so is Aldridge, so you would be better off paying them. The room is better spent on a guy who actually can stay in a rotation than Al, in the likes of Gerld Green or Corey Brewer. Rondo could be had cheap and make Clarkson fight to start, make him hungry, piss him off, and so on to continue his development as he has not earned a starting spot by being a numbers guy on a losing team. The suck twins of Kelly and Sacre shouldn't be on a roster, and neither should Wes

Unless rondo take 4-6mill/yr your plan is a fail...we have bout 23-24 mill in cap after cap hold and rookie signing, would takeax offer to getarcs attention and his max is almost 20mill per yr
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#625 » by kblo247 » Tue Jun 2, 2015 3:30 am

That's exactly what I'd offer rondo, what's left of out cap with a player option for year 2 where he gets paid if he plays well.
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#626 » by Pointgod » Tue Jun 2, 2015 3:31 am

TyCobb wrote:
Slava wrote:Yeah that'd put us in the Looney range if Washington/Toronto don't pick him at 19/20.



How freaking crazy if this happens...

Lakers draft Jahlil Okafor #2.
Lakers trade #27 and #34 for #22 and draft Kevon Looney.
Lakers sign Kevin Love as a FA.
Lakers sign Al-Farouq Aminu as a FA.

PG Jordan Clarkson, Vander Blue, Ronnie Price
SG Kobe Bryant, Jabari Brown
SF Al-Farouq Aminu, Nick Young, Kevon Looney
PF Kevin Love, Julius Randle, Ryan Kelly
C Jahlil Okafor, Tarik Black


Kevin Love isn't coming.
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#627 » by kblo247 » Tue Jun 2, 2015 3:32 am

Rather have Russell than towns, unless of we have a deal lined up to flip Towns.
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#628 » by LApwnd » Tue Jun 2, 2015 3:54 am

kblo247 wrote:That's exactly what I'd offer rondo, what's left of out cap with a player option for year 2 where he gets paid if he plays well.

Well cant say no at that price
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#629 » by DEEP3CL » Tue Jun 2, 2015 3:57 am

Pointgod wrote:Kevin Love isn't coming.
Agreed...people need to let go of the pipe dream, plus we don't need him.

TyCobb wrote:
How freaking crazy if this happens...

Lakers draft Jahlil Okafor #2.
Lakers trade #27 and #34 for #22 and draft Kevon Looney.
Lakers sign Kevin Love as a FA.
Lakers sign Al-Farouq Aminu as a FA.

PG Jordan Clarkson, Vander Blue, Ronnie Price
SG Kobe Bryant, Jabari Brown
SF Al-Farouq Aminu, Nick Young, Kevon Looney
PF Kevin Love, Julius Randle, Ryan Kelly
C Jahlil Okafor, Tarik Black
Sorry man but that isn't a playoff team, any team containing D League left overs and Ronnie Price ain't competing for a playoff spot. And I wasn't impressed with Looney at all, except for Powell all those guys played over achieving ball at UCLA under Alford.
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Re: NBA Draft Lottery 2015 | Lakers Pick #2, #27 and #34 

Post#630 » by Mirjalovic » Tue Jun 2, 2015 3:58 am

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ScHoolBoy B wrote:Why do people think we're getting Okafor? Recently mock drafts have him going #1. Wolves love him for some reason, or should I say Flip is doing his old college buddy a favor by favoring his client Okafor. Plus I'd rather have Towns at #2 just because of his defensive potential alone.

you can't go wrong with the top 3, but i think Okafor will be a dominant force in the NBA, like DeMarcus Cousins, while a see Town will have Noah-like impact.


I'm not sure about that comparison. Does Towns pass and play defense like Noah? I see Towns as a bigger Al Horford with better shot-blocking skills and more range on his jumper.


Yes, he can pass.
shawn_hemp wrote: a guy who is far worse than Robert Covington in Brandon Ingram, and a guy who is no better than TJ McConnell or Tony Wroten in D'Angelo Russell.

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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#631 » by TyCobb » Tue Jun 2, 2015 4:00 am

DEEP3CL wrote:Sorry man but that isn't a playoff team, any team containing D League left overs and Ronnie Price ain't competing for a playoff spot. And I wasn't impressed with Looney at all, except for Powell all those guys played over achieving ball at UCLA under Alford.


They overachieved because Looney was so damn versatile.

If Aldrige, Matthews, and Lopez leave...

Spurs, Thunder, Pelicans, Rockets, Clippers, Warriors, Grizzlies, then 8th up for grabs.
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#632 » by DEEP3CL » Tue Jun 2, 2015 4:10 am

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DEEP3CL wrote:Sorry man but that isn't a playoff team, any team containing D League left overs and Ronnie Price ain't competing for a playoff spot. And I wasn't impressed with Looney at all, except for Powell all those guys played over achieving ball at UCLA under Alford.


They overachieved because Looney was so damn versatile.

If Aldrige, Matthews, and Lopez leave...

Spurs, Thunder, Pelicans, Rockets, Clippers, Warriors, Grizzlies, then 8th up for grabs.
Yeah that would set the Blazers back. And what about Mavs,Suns and Jazz ? Teams that are supposedly better than us, how do we shake them ?
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#633 » by TyCobb » Tue Jun 2, 2015 4:35 am

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TyCobb wrote:
DEEP3CL wrote:Sorry man but that isn't a playoff team, any team containing D League left overs and Ronnie Price ain't competing for a playoff spot. And I wasn't impressed with Looney at all, except for Powell all those guys played over achieving ball at UCLA under Alford.


They overachieved because Looney was so damn versatile.

If Aldrige, Matthews, and Lopez leave...

Spurs, Thunder, Pelicans, Rockets, Clippers, Warriors, Grizzlies, then 8th up for grabs.
Yeah that would set the Blazers back. And what about Mavs,Suns and Jazz ? Teams that are supposedly better than us, how do we shake them ?


Don't want to get yelled at by DD for going off topic, but just real quick it's possible Suns coach goes to Iowa State, and Jazz still missing veteran leadership. Not worried about either of those organizations.
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#634 » by dockingsched » Tue Jun 2, 2015 4:58 am

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DEEP3CL wrote:Sorry man but that isn't a playoff team, any team containing D League left overs and Ronnie Price ain't competing for a playoff spot. And I wasn't impressed with Looney at all, except for Powell all those guys played over achieving ball at UCLA under Alford.


They overachieved because Looney was so damn versatile.

If Aldrige, Matthews, and Lopez leave...

Spurs, Thunder, Pelicans, Rockets, Clippers, Warriors, Grizzlies, then 8th up for grabs.


Looney's draft position has been something that has really kept my interested since you started singing his praises way back when and now with those recent analytical mocks that rated him way higher than traditional mock sites. I had him late lottery, 12-14ish, and he dropped like crazy on sites like draftexpress and nbadraft. By comparision, Chad Ford has kept him higher than most. Such a mystery where he'll ultimately go and with that rumored 27/34 for 22, it makes his draft stock a lot more relevant to the Lakers.
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#635 » by Slava » Tue Jun 2, 2015 5:12 am

I still think he'll go in the lottery or thereabouts but if Phoenix or Atlanta don't draft him, there's legit chance he'll be on board when the Wizards pick comes but he won't fall beyond 19.
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#636 » by TyCobb » Tue Jun 2, 2015 5:17 am

He shouldn't get past Detroit, but you never know with these things. I wouldn't be surprised if he went 5th overall and I wouldn't be surprised if he went 15th.
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Re: NBA Draft Lottery 2015 | Lakers Pick #2, #27 and #34 

Post#637 » by dipstick » Tue Jun 2, 2015 6:49 am

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CodyB_ wrote:What do Lakers fans think of moving the Number 2 pick for someone like Nerlens Noel?

I'm high on him. While his per was only average this year, you can tell by watching him that he is going to be a Gobert level defender in a few years time. He is 7'0 with a massive standing reach and the agility of a guard. He also shows decent touch on his jumper out past 15 feet. When that improves he'll be a prototypical big man for the 'New Nba'.

After that, the Lakers focus on finding an offensive game changer like KD or Russ Westbrook and the others bits will come together. KD is close to maturity and once he is healthy again he is going to be a monster, I think the Lakers are in a position to put a championship team around him. Westbrook I think is fools gold.


I'd think about it, and then realize that Okafor has the best post game since Tim Duncan and that you don't pass that up for an offensively-challenged big.


The NBA right now is officially favouring (by way of the rules) guard play. Post play has almost disappeared as a mainstay of any offense and you're starting to see guards get higher TS% than big men. Okafor is a great player, extremely gifted as a post operator but this NBA won't allow him to function as such. His lack of defense will make him a fringe +- player if he plays starters minutes. He will be the starting Centre on a treadmill team.

Someone like Nerlens Noel will play a similar role to Tyson Chandler or Andrew Bogut. Statistically nothing much to write home about, but absolute game changers. The thing is Noel, is going to better than either ever was. He has better athleticism, quicker hands and shows promise on his stroke.

Anyways, just a thought. The more I see of Okafor, however, the less I like. I think Towns will be much better.


The following is my humble opinion on how people may be overstating that we must adapt to the NBA being guard centric:

I think too much has been said about the type of play changing to more guard centric. I'm not really sure what rules are there that dissuades players from posting up, however, I believe the shift in play has more to do with big guys getting more athletic and even lanky at times and trying to shoot too much from the outside. Lets face it, everyone, even bigs just want to shoot from outside or drive to the hoop. Nobody wants to learn the "boring", slow it down type of game. But the fact is, those are still the highest percentage shots and will give you the most chances of getting points on the board.

Furthermore, I believe that today's NBA has been forced to evolve because of the lack of dominant big men. Lets face it, after Shaq and Duncan, there is no real dominant big man who can dominate the paint. The hope was for Howard and to an extent, Bynum, but we saw how both situations developed. Bynum is gone and Dwight is still just so-so on offense. Best traditional big right now, would probably be Marc Gasol who is not really on the superstar level like Shaq or Kareem to be able to carry a team on his back. If we look around the league, the other best bigs would be LMA, Blake Griffin maybe even include Z-bo and Al Jefferson. Niche defensive guys like DeAndre Jordan are already considered as elite even if they don't have an offensive game.

If we have a chance to grab a great postup guy like Okafor, it should be a no brainer because his potential on that aspect of the game is much much higher than anyone else and would give us a look that no other teams would be able to give. If he develops to his potential, you cannot find a guy who would even be 70% as good as he is on the block. On the other hand, you would be happy if a guard like Russell turns out to be near guys like Curry and Harden and you could even argue that guys like Dragic, Derek Rose, Damian Lillard are all within 80-90% of what guys like Curry and Harden can do.
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#638 » by LApwnd » Tue Jun 2, 2015 4:41 pm

TyCobb wrote:
DEEP3CL wrote:Sorry man but that isn't a playoff team, any team containing D League left overs and Ronnie Price ain't competing for a playoff spot. And I wasn't impressed with Looney at all, except for Powell all those guys played over achieving ball at UCLA under Alford.


They overachieved because Looney was so damn versatile.

If Aldrige, Matthews, and Lopez leave...

Spurs, Thunder, Pelicans, Rockets, Clippers, Warriors, Grizzlies, then 8th up for grabs.


you had Looney at SF if we did get him but do you think he has enough speed to cover that position defensively? Can he be a dreymond green type Sf/Pf hybrid?
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#639 » by TyCobb » Tue Jun 2, 2015 7:35 pm

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DEEP3CL wrote:Sorry man but that isn't a playoff team, any team containing D League left overs and Ronnie Price ain't competing for a playoff spot. And I wasn't impressed with Looney at all, except for Powell all those guys played over achieving ball at UCLA under Alford.


They overachieved because Looney was so damn versatile.

If Aldrige, Matthews, and Lopez leave...

Spurs, Thunder, Pelicans, Rockets, Clippers, Warriors, Grizzlies, then 8th up for grabs.


you had Looney at SF if we did get him but do you think he has enough speed to cover that position defensively? Can he be a dreymond green type Sf/Pf hybrid?


I've never heard so many people referencing Draymond Green as I have this year. Everybody wants the next Draymond Green. Crazy.

But no, that's not his playing style. Draymond Green plays physical, bully ball. I absolutely hate player comparisons, especially for projections, but think Andrei Kirilenko minus the weakside shotblocking skills. I think I might have given that comparison here before somewhere. But anyways, like Kirilenko, he doesn't have outstanding athleticism or footspeed, but he has an extremely high, offensive and defensive, IQ, and instincts, that he uses to guard multiple positions by using his outstanding length and reads to create angles or cover ground.
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#640 » by LApwnd » Tue Jun 2, 2015 8:11 pm

TyCobb wrote:
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They overachieved because Looney was so damn versatile.

If Aldrige, Matthews, and Lopez leave...

Spurs, Thunder, Pelicans, Rockets, Clippers, Warriors, Grizzlies, then 8th up for grabs.


you had Looney at SF if we did get him but do you think he has enough speed to cover that position defensively? Can he be a dreymond green type Sf/Pf hybrid?


I've never heard so many people referencing Draymond Green as I have this year. Everybody wants the next Draymond Green. Crazy.

But no, that's not his playing style. Draymond Green plays physical, bully ball. I absolutely hate player comparisons, especially for projections, but think Andrei Kirilenko minus the weakside shotblocking skills. I think I might have given that comparison here before somewhere. But anyways, like Kirilenko, he doesn't have outstanding athleticism or footspeed, but he has an extremely high, offensive and defensive, IQ, and instincts, that he uses to guard multiple positions by using his outstanding length and reads to create angles or cover ground.


cause Draymond is a beast :lol:

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