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Should Ferry Be Fired?

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Should Ferry Be Fired?

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Re: Should Ferry Be Fired? 

Post#121 » by ATLHawksfan21 » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:50 am

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ATLHawksfan21 wrote:Looks like the new commish agrees with me. He just backed Ferry and said that he should not be fired over this incident. At least the commish is able to think with a clear head.

I guess you will categorize his statement as whining and naivety as well.


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2194 ... from-hawks


Today Adam Silver made comments commending Ferry's decision to step aside. SOMEWHAT counter to his previous statement that Ferry shouldn't be fired.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/HerringWSJ/status/514088851263213568[/tweet]

I think most people would agree that the situation had been so toxic and hostile, a change was simply necessary.



You seem to be reaching pretty hard with your suggestion of what this tweet means.

I take it as he is commending him for taking the leave of absence while you seem to be suggesting that Silver is saying it is already permanent. Where's the rest of his statement?
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Re: Should Ferry Be Fired? 

Post#122 » by PandaKidd » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:56 am

Adam Silver praises Ferry for taking a leave of absence

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... rom-hawks/

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Re: Should Ferry Be Fired? 

Post#123 » by ATLHawksfan21 » Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:43 am

After meeting with Ferry, Magic Johnson is now backing Ferry and says he deserves a second chance. Guys like Magic and Silver wouldn't be sticking their heads out for Ferry if he was likely to be fired.

https://twitter.com/CVivlamoreAJC/statu ... 6975765504

I'm still confident that Ferry keeps his job and I'm confident that it is the best move for us going forward.
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Re: Should Ferry Be Fired? 

Post#124 » by PandaKidd » Wed Sep 24, 2014 2:31 am

I'm slightly more confident he keeps his job now, but I also think its the 100% wrong thing to do. He's a lame duck.

I honestly don't know if he survives the sale of the team, new ownership will want THEIR guy anyway

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Re: Should Ferry Be Fired? 

Post#125 » by Hawk Eye » Wed Sep 24, 2014 4:51 am

PandaKidd wrote:I'm slightly more confident he keeps his job now, but I also think its the 100% wrong thing to do. He's a lame duck.

I honestly don't know if he survives the sale of the team, new ownership will want THEIR guy anyway

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I don't think it matters if ferry comes back honestly. Once new ownership comes in, I'm almost positive that they will bring in their guy to replace ferry as GM.
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Re: Should Ferry Be Fired? 

Post#126 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:41 am

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It'll be interesting to see how much weight Magic's words carry. Ferry is clearly on damage control, working to rebuild his reputation around the league.

The question still remains: Can DF effectively do his job in light of the uproar his comments caused?

NOT so Bold Prediction: Wilkins as a part of Hawks hierarchy seems like an inevitability at this point.
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Re: Should Ferry Be Fired? 

Post#127 » by PandaKidd » Wed Sep 24, 2014 4:30 pm

Wilkins is going to be brought on im almost positive. He should be, good image person, minority that was arguably the BEST playing in Hawks history, good community person, great personality. Long overdue, I think he should be brought in ASAP.

Wilkins is a super smart guy from what I can tell, understands the game, ive met him in passing at games a few times and hes always very very gracious (him and Mutumbo).
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Re: Should Ferry Be Fired? 

Post#128 » by azuresou1 » Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:31 pm

The reclusive great Mr. Duncan comes out in support of DF:

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2014/9/24 ... anta-hawks
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Re: Should Ferry Be Fired? 

Post#129 » by PandaKidd » Mon Sep 29, 2014 7:24 pm

Via PTH
A number of players were asked if they would welcome back Ferry to the team. DeMarre Carroll and Jeff Teague were a couple that said they would and several declined to answer the questions saying that it wasn't their decision to make. All of them were supportive and seemed ready to get the focus back on playing basketball.

From a basketball standpoint, the team has been mostly together the entire month of September training and have built some momentum heading into camp. Al Horford looked good and reiterated that he intends to be ready to go on opening night.
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Re: Should Ferry Be Fired? 

Post#130 » by Jamaaliver » Sun Oct 5, 2014 6:23 am

Hilarious interaction between Hawks CEO Steve Koonin and AJC Columnist Jeff Schultz:

The relevant question is not whether Ferry is, was or ever has been a racist.
From the Hawks’ perspective, the only thing that really matters is whether they can move on with him? The belief here: no. There are always going to be players and fans who wonder about Ferry. That tarnishes the brand and affects their ability to grow.


Jeff Schultz wrote:Schultz: Can you truly move past everything if Danny Ferry is still in place?

Koonin: Danny’s not in place.

Schultz: You’ve left it open-ended. He still an employee.

Koonin: He’s on a leave of absence. He is technically an employee, but he has no functioning responsibility.

Schultz: If it’s open-ended, I’m assuming there’s a possibility he returns.

Koonin: Why would you assume he’s coming back?

Schultz: I’m not, but you’re leaving it open that he could.

Koonin: Well, it’s an indefinite leave of absence. We’re moving on.

Schultz: Moving on suggests there’s finality. The perception is otherwise.

Koonin: I’m aware of the perception and I have no interest in commenting further on it. Because nobody knows what’s going to happen.

Schultz: But you could bring finality to it now and you choose not to.

Koonin: Danny Ferry is on an indefinite leave of absence. These are complex decisions. There are contracts …

Schultz: So this is just a legal, contract situation?

Koonin: It’s an indefinite leave of absence situation.

So. That clear everything up?


Jeff has always had a way of getting under people's skins, but I'm impressed he actually had the chutzpah to call out Hawks leadership on the absurdity of the situation.
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Re: Should Ferry Be Fired? 

Post#131 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Nov 28, 2014 6:52 am

PMOTT3 wrote:I don't think it matters if ferry comes back honestly. Once new ownership comes in, I'm almost positive that they will bring in their guy to replace ferry as GM.


Word is, Ferry is ALSO skeptical new ownership would allow him to return.

As for Ferry, the likelihood that he'd return to his old role for a new owner is something even he doesn't believe is possible, according to league sources. He has met with numerous individuals and groups to try and make amends for his words and seems, by all accounts, to be genuinely remorseful.

But it will likely be a long time before he's working in the NBA again.


Frightening news for Hawks fans:

Meanwhile, Budenholzer...has even more on his plate. He now has decision-making authority on trades and other transactions.

He's leaning a little more on his assistant coaches, assistant general manager Wes Wilcox and senior adviser and longtime NBA executive Rick Sund.


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Re: Should Ferry Be Fired? 

Post#132 » by simon24 » Fri Nov 28, 2014 7:46 am

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PMOTT3 wrote:I don't think it matters if ferry comes back honestly. Once new ownership comes in, I'm almost positive that they will bring in their guy to replace ferry as GM.


Word is, Ferry is ALSO skeptical new ownership would allow him to return.

As for Ferry, the likelihood that he'd return to his old role for a new owner is something even he doesn't believe is possible, according to league sources. He has met with numerous individuals and groups to try and make amends for his words and seems, by all accounts, to be genuinely remorseful.

But it will likely be a long time before he's working in the NBA again.


Frightening news for Hawks fans:

Meanwhile, Budenholzer...has even more on his plate. He now has decision-making authority on trades and other transactions.

He's leaning a little more on his assistant coaches, assistant general manager Wes Wilcox and senior adviser and longtime NBA executive Rick Sund.


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Well so far Bud hasn't made any trades.
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Re: Should Ferry Be Fired? 

Post#133 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Jun 2, 2015 12:55 pm

AJC Columnist Mark Bradley pens a new article indicating his belief that ATL will indeed be looking for a new GM sooner than later. Complimentary link to the MyAJC article:

The Hawks will soon be seeking a new GM

It usually works this way: Owner hires general manager; GM hires coach. These being the Hawks, they have it backward. They have a coach but not yet a new owner and a GM who hasn’t been GM since Sept. 12 and probably won’t be again. (At least not here.)

...These being the Hawks, the organization has turned back-flips in the effort to distance itself from Ferry, even to the laughable extent of nominating Budenholzer for NBA executive of the year.

Roster-wise, Budenholzer hasn’t had much to do. That’s about to change. The draft is June 25 and the Hawks are again picking 15th. Free agency arrives in July. There’s a chance new ownership — the Hawks are being bought by a group headed by Antony Ressler — could say, “Hey, Budenholzer finished third in the exec-of-the-year voting; let’s make him permanent GM.” Such an urge should be resisted.

Ferry built the best team in franchise history, although “builder” isn’t the B-word anyone uses to describe his situation. The word invariably used is “baggage.” It’s hard to imagine new owners choosing to keep someone whose image, if not his basketball acumen, has been besmirched. These being the Hawks, they might never find a GM better than the one they’re about to dump.


A good read. Not much concrete evidence or info to support the inference. But clearly the speculation has been consistent for months. The belief my many in the know that DF is indeed gone.

I heard on an ESPN Podcast months ago that the reason Ferry hasn't been outright let go is that he has a clause in his contract that does not allow him to be fired. This at least makes sense from the actions that the organization has taken and a statement Koonin made to the AJC last year. (3 posts above)
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Re: Should Ferry Be Fired? 

Post#134 » by PandaKidd » Tue Jun 2, 2015 1:52 pm

Well, they had a segment on this on the Buck and Kincaid shows yesterday and the theory is , if Bud is TRULY in the mold of Popovich, then he will want the control. Pop is Coach/GM and Bud has been Coach/GM for a year.

The logical step in their minds would be to dismiss Ferry and continue with Bud as COTY with the assistant GM remaining (I think its Wes Wilcox or something?)

Ferry I think will be let go at this point, I dont see the Hawks risking all the good publicity they built up this year and bring him back. You know when he comes back ESPN will run that story over and over again reminding everyone all over again. I think they move on once Ressler is officially the owner.

I also think they give him a positive send off, something like "he doesnt fit for us anymore, but he deserves credit did a great job, blah blah blah"
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Re: Should Ferry Be Fired? 

Post#135 » by Yungsta404 » Tue Jun 2, 2015 8:36 pm

Someone made a good point of the hawks sending in votes declaring that Bud should be executive of the year instead of Ferry as a sign of not wanting to be associated with Ferry anymore. The hawks may see bringing back Ferry as a potential PR issue.

I DONT want a GM and coach to be the same person. I feel like coaches have too strong of a relationship with players to make objective GM decisions when needed.
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Re: Should Ferry Be Fired? 

Post#136 » by MaceCase » Tue Jun 2, 2015 9:18 pm

Yungsta404 wrote:Someone made a good point of the hawks sending in votes declaring that Bud should be executive of the year instead of Ferry as a sign of not wanting to be associated with Ferry anymore. The hawks may see bringing back Ferry as a potential PR issue.

I DONT want a GM and coach to be the same person. I feel like coaches have too strong of a relationship with players to make objective GM decisions when needed.

Well those "Hawks" were likely the Gearons and CO. so it isn't at all surprising that they wouldn't want to give Ferry credit after actively working to discredit him. They of course won't have much of a say once the new owners take over lest they formulate yet another plan to cut off their nose to spite their face.

What was most telling in that nomination for EOY was how Bud publicly came out and gave all the credit to Ferry and how rivals claimed that their votes for "Bud" were indeed votes for "Ferry".
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Re: Should Ferry Be Fired? 

Post#137 » by geeman » Wed Jun 3, 2015 9:45 pm

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Re: Should Ferry Be Fired? 

Post#138 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:54 pm

The Atlanta Hawks are planning to name coach Mike Budenholzer team president, a move that would result in the exit of general manager Danny Ferry, Yahoo! Sports reported Thursday.


Good luck to dude. This was inevitable, but he will likely bounce back pretty easily. His reputation around the league front offices seems intact.

I often disapproved of his moves, but he did bring in Bud and rid of us JJ's contract. Both pivotal decisions as the Hawks head man.
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Re: Should Ferry Be Fired? 

Post#139 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Jan 14, 2016 5:39 pm

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The Atlanta Hawks are planning to name coach Mike Budenholzer team president, a move that would result in the exit of general manager Danny Ferry, Yahoo! Sports reported Thursday.


Good luck to dude. This was inevitable, but he will likely bounce back pretty easily. His reputation around the league front offices seems intact.


Six months later....Danny Ferry might get to take advantage of Billy King's incompetence one last time:

Report: Nets interested in Danny Ferry

However, league sources outside of the direct search told the Daily News that they expect the Nets to look at two other experienced candidates for GM — Danny Ferry and Bryan Colangelo.

... He holds particular ties to Brooklyn. Ferry’s dad, Bob Ferry, scouts for the Nets. Ferry is also close with former Brooklyn general manager Billy King.
Here

Sounds like Joe Johnson might be made available after all. :lol:
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Re: Should Ferry Be Fired? 

Post#140 » by HMFFL » Sat Jan 16, 2016 4:07 pm

I'd love to see Ferry back in the league as a GM.
I believe he'd be perfect for the Brooklyn job.

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