Draftexpress drops Mudiay down to pick #6 today

[BeagleBoss]

Fyi Chad Ford still has Mudiay 4th in his latest mock.

[BeagleBoss]

Winslow > Mudiay

Why?

Saw all Mudiay games and he just didn't win me over. He's too average and does nothing special and I don't see a future star at all. He doesn't have that Westbrook/Wall athleticism, he had issues finishing in the paint against CBA bigs, too many careless turnovers and meh courtvision and he just didn't stand out in a awful league. I don't think Winslow will be a star either but he'll be the better pro.

Being 4th stinks.

[Fat Kat]

Fyi Chad Ford still has Mudiay 4th in his latest mock.

He'll change this mock post draft.

[nykballa2k4]

good points

I don't see these guys sitting on a contract and not improving their games either

Shooting, of all things, is the most improvable skill
that and free throw shooting

That is the strongest argument for Mudiay yet

yeah, its why I can't worry to much about him

Hee seems to have everything but shooting right now and even his shooting mechanics seem to be pretty solid

Ill bet as draft night nears we hear a lot more talk about him rising and Russell or Okafor dropping

Not that I want this, but I am pretty sure we will be drafting Okafor @4

[MelosSoreWrist]

he'd be 37 at the end of the deal....ugh

Ugh indeed.

I will say this. Wade is a winner though. Not saying it would be an ideal scenario but he is the type of leader that people have suggested we have needed in terms of knowing how to win and preparing the right way

If nothing else, Wade could teach Melo how to flop and get more free throws.

[Manhattan Project]

Wade leaving Miami for New York... Phil Jackson of all people would be an awesome F U to Pat. However the odds of that happening seem slim to nil though.

[Capn'O]

Wade leaving Miami for New York... Phil Jackson of all people would be an awesome F U to Pat. However the odds of that happening seem slim to nil though.

That's part of why I think he'll do it.

Heat kind of have a connundrum between him and Dragic. WT says Riles' offer to Wade starts at 10 mil. We start him at 13 and that's 55 mil over four years. I think he walks.

[mos_def]

I know this is going to sound incredibly silly. But the knicks need a high flier at the 2 that gets a lot of highlight reel dunks and finishes. Exciting players like that get a lot of exposure and TV time. ESPN shoves them down your throat all day long. That makes more fans want to watch that players team. More televised games brings more positive exposure. The way the game is played today,... big athletes are at an advantage because all they have to do is get near the rim and jump. Guys like that also control the crowd and that influences teammates, and like it or not,.. the refs. Its the stuff manufactured stars are made of. I have always felt that one of the reasons carmelo does not get as much love (and calls) as others is because he is a more grounded player.

So you want Hezonja?

Yeah he literally just described Hezonja to a tee.

He did. 62% of his points where above the rim dunks and then you get into his 3pt and FT%

[Manhattan Project]

That's part of why I think he'll do it.

Heat kind of have a connundrum between him and Dragic. WT says Riles' offer to Wade starts at 10 mil. We start him at 13 and that's 55 mil over four years. I think he walks.

I think Wade bolting Miami would be a disaster to Pat regardless of where he goes. At the end of the day Wade will go down as the greatest player in Heat history, he carried that franchise for years and you're going to let him finish his career on another team? That's slime status even for Pat.

[DowNY]

Wade leaving Miami for New York... Phil Jackson of all people would be an awesome F U to Pat. However the odds of that happening seem slim to nil though.

That's part of why I think he'll do it.

Heat kind of have a connundrum between him and Dragic. WT says Riles' offer to Wade starts at 10 mil. We start him at 13 and that's 55 mil over four years. I think he walks.

13 in NY would end up being like 10M or less if you factor in state taxes.

[melomax]

Guys...

they are testing for HGH next year.

No Wade plz.

[K_ick_God]

I'll gladly take D-Wade. Awesome career, still capable of helping us a lot. And it would just be damn fun to watch him and Melo play together, with D-Wade tutoring Mudiay along the way.

[HEZI]

I think Wade bolting Miami would be a disaster to Pat regardless of where he goes. At the end of the day Wade will go down as the greatest player in Heat history, he carried that franchise for years and you're going to let him finish his career on another team? That's slime status even for Pat.

Business is business and loyalty means nothing nowadays, especially to Riley. I think he has a set price on what he believes Wade is worth now, and if Wade is not happy with that I think Riley has no problem letting him walk. I dont think he cares about the history of the franchise and what the past used to be, its all about the present and the future and business is business.

[Manhattan Project]

Business is business and loyalty means nothing nowadays, especially to Riley. I think he has a set price on what he believes Wade is worth now, and if Wade is not happy with that I think Riley has no problem letting him walk. I dont think he cares about the history of the franchise and what the past used to be, its all about the present and the future and business is business.

Usually I would agree with this line of thinking, however this is a small exception. Sure first hall of famer, the best player in franchise history, a multiple champion, someone whose helped the franchise by taking less money a few times. Hell if anyone deserves the Kobe/Houston contract it's Wade. It's something I don't even think Miami fans would tolerate.

[melomax]

Wade leaving Miami means Dragic might be right behind him.

[HEZI]

Usually I would agree with this line of thinking, however this is a small exception. Sure first hall of famer, the best player in franchise history, a multiple champion, someone whose helped the franchise by taking less money a few times. Hell if anyone deserves the Kobe/Houston contract it's Wade. It's something I don't even think Miami fans would tolerate.

But lets be real, Wade didnt take a pay cut to save the franchise money, he took a pay cut to win a ring. He took a pay cut in order to make his own job easier and have more fun in his profession. Miami doesnt owe Wade anything, they drafted him and took care of him and made him King of the city, and put him in a title contending environment year after year. There is no reason why they should just go above and beyond what they feel like his market value is. Like I said, that organization doesnt owe him anything, so if they cant come to a mutual agreement then its time to part ways, its that simple.

[Manhattan Project]

But lets be real, Wade didnt take a pay cut to save the franchise money, he took a pay cut to win a ring. He took a pay cut in order to make his own job easier and have more fun in his profession. Miami doesnt owe Wade anything, they drafted him and took care of him and made him King of the city, and put him in a title contending environment year after year. There is no reason why they should just go above and beyond what they feel like his market value is. Like I said, that organization doesnt owe him anything, so if they cant come to a mutual agreement then its time to part ways, its that simple.

No one is going to deny the fact that Wade took less money to make his job easier, but how much did you profit off of that? Wade making his job easier to play with LeBron and Bosh and retaining Haslem paid off with huge dividends for all parties. Snaking Mike Miller is one thing, Miller is just Mike Miller. Last year Wade took less money so that the Heat could have more flexibility and on top of that you give Bosh a mega contract?

I mean it comes down to how you feel, but when you're talking HOF players and franchise all timers I think you play with a different set of rules. It's why I love Cuban, it's why I love how Dirk handled it all. Letting players like Wade walk at the end of their careers never ends well for either side.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Eh don't see Wade opting out of his $16mil deal to play for the Knicks unless we offer a ridiculous contract.... Which is probably what will happen....and of course won't end well ....fml

[Capn'O]

Business is business and loyalty means nothing nowadays, especially to Riley. I think he has a set price on what he believes Wade is worth now, and if Wade is not happy with that I think Riley has no problem letting him walk. I dont think he cares about the history of the franchise and what the past used to be, its all about the present and the future and business is business.

Usually I would agree with this line of thinking, however this is a small exception. Sure first hall of famer, the best player in franchise history, a multiple champion, someone whose helped the franchise by taking less money a few times. Hell if anyone deserves the Kobe/Houston contract it's Wade. It's something I don't even think Miami fans would tolerate.

I dunno. They kind of set the stage for it with the Dragic move. It may be best for both parties to move on now rather than try to work it out. I think the fans would understand, though with a quick hook if they don't retool quickly.

Plus, I think Melo and Wade really want to play together. And we saw how much that matters already.

[Fat Kat]

Wade leaving Miami for New York... Phil Jackson of all people would be an awesome F U to Pat. However the odds of that happening seem slim to nil though.

That's part of why I think he'll do it.

Heat kind of have a connundrum between him and Dragic. WT says Riles' offer to Wade starts at 10 mil. We start him at 13 and that's 55 mil over four years. I think he walks.

That contract would be disastrous. Wade has maybe 2 good years left.