Draftexpress drops Mudiay down to pick #6 today

[Manhattan Project]

I dunno. They kind of set the stage for it with the Dragic move. It may be best for both parties to move on now rather than try to work it out. I think the fans would understand, though with a quick hook if they don't retool quickly.

Plus, I think Melo and Wade really want to play together. And we saw how much that matters already.

I don't think there's a chance Dragic would stick around if Wade bolts, what for? He's going to get paid, why not go to a team with a better situation. I mean maybe you can argue that sticking in the East with Deng, Bosh and Whiteside would be worth it, but that doesn't scream to me serious playoff contender.

[Context]

melo controls draftexpress ?

No, he controls...

this was perfect thorn

[MeloTime]

Wade leaving Miami for New York... Phil Jackson of all people would be an awesome F U to Pat. However the odds of that happening seem slim to nil though.

That's part of why I think he'll do it.

Heat kind of have a connundrum between him and Dragic. WT says Riles' offer to Wade starts at 10 mil. We start him at 13 and that's 55 mil over four years. I think he walks.

That contract would be disastrous. Wade has maybe 2 good years left.

So offer him 3 year deal / 45 million with 3 year being player option

You get the 2 good years left out of Wade.

Wade is still a really good player and is exactly the type of player Melo needs.

[Capn'O]

Wade leaving Miami for New York... Phil Jackson of all people would be an awesome F U to Pat. However the odds of that happening seem slim to nil though.

That's part of why I think he'll do it.

Heat kind of have a connundrum between him and Dragic. WT says Riles' offer to Wade starts at 10 mil. We start him at 13 and that's 55 mil over four years. I think he walks.

That contract would be disastrous. Wade has maybe 2 good years left.

I know. I'm hoping for the best but preparing for the Knicks.

[K_ick_God]

Wade leaving Miami for New York... Phil Jackson of all people would be an awesome F U to Pat. However the odds of that happening seem slim to nil though.

That's part of why I think he'll do it.

Heat kind of have a connundrum between him and Dragic. WT says Riles' offer to Wade starts at 10 mil. We start him at 13 and that's 55 mil over four years. I think he walks.

That contract would be disastrous. Wade has maybe 2 good years left.

We could only sign him for 4.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

Just throwing this out there...but if we get Wade; trade #4/Calderon/THJ to CHICAGO for Gasol/Mirotic/Mcdermott

Galloway
Wade
Melo/McDermott
Mirotic
Gasol

[Carl_Karlson]

People want Wade? The fucc? Stat and Mcyess too far in the past for you?

[knickstape21]

I'd only like to bring in Wade if we got Gasol. Now we're talkin...

[Context]

People want Wade? The fucc? Stat and Mcyess too far in the past for you?

desparation...

[Adelheid]

Some people just want that star power even if the player is already hobbled.
While it is true that any played can be injured even if 100% healthy and young, the chances are are much2x higher to those with bodies that are breaking down.

At any rate, Mr. Miami should stay with the heat and be a heatlyfer. That would do good to his legacy.

[HEZI]

No one is going to deny the fact that Wade took less money to make his job easier, but how much did you profit off of that? Wade making his job easier to play with LeBron and Bosh and retaining Haslem paid off with huge dividends for all parties. Snaking Mike Miller is one thing, Miller is just Mike Miller. Last year Wade took less money so that the Heat could have more flexibility and on top of that you give Bosh a mega contract?

I mean it comes down to how you feel, but when you're talking HOF players and franchise all timers I think you play with a different set of rules. It's why I love Cuban, it's why I love how Dirk handled it all. Letting players like Wade walk at the end of their careers never ends well for either side.

I am not sure I remember what happened last summer and the whole situation there, so I could be wrong with my guess here but Wade taking less money last year might have had something to do with him believing Lebron was going to come back. Just like in 2010, if Lebron is not in the picture, do you really think Wade is taking less money? Wade was thinking too far down the line, he likely figured that he could ride Lebrons back to a couple more contracts while preserving his role and career in the process instead of being the go to guy again and having to carry a team on his shoulders at this stage in his career. It backfired, because Lebron left, but you cant go to the management now and say hey look I took a pay cut so now you guys should overpay me to compensate. It doesnt work like that. Nobody put a gun to Wades head and told him to take less money, he did it because he wanted to do it, but you cant expect the franchise now to give him a max contract at this point in his career and hurt themselves further down the road. He is 33 years old and his body is breaking down and his style of play is dependent heavily on his athletic ability, any team should be cautious signing him to any type of multiyear deal, Knicks included.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

Wade is a poor fit here with health issues. We don't have the depth to rest him 30 games. If Phil wants to build continuity we need to stop **** with these rosters that are barely ever all healthy at once.

[Sark]

It is very ironic that you are trying to argue how statistics and probability work so you can take shots on our place in the lottery

I'm not taking a shot at our place in the lottery. I'm taking a shot at our incompetence in not securing the best possible position for the franchise. If we had the worst record, and gotten 4th pick, then well there's nothing you can do about that. But it just so happens the worst record this year got the #1 pick, and it's a spot we had in our grasps. I can care less about 2, 3, 4, 5, etc, or wherever the Lakers and Sixers ended up. #1 was there for the taking.

Fallacy of the pre-determined outcome.

You can't argue that Knicks would have gotten that bounce had they had the most lotto balls. Everything changes from the point forward. They COULD have, but the lottery would have went differently.

Fixating on the fact the Knicks didn't shut-down their undrafred D-leaguer and somehow didn't anticipating a couple good games from a player who played terrible for them all year and helped them lost a majority of their games is a path to nowhere.

Nope. The lotto takes place in a literal vacuum. The outcome is not affected by anything in the outside world. There is no butterfly effect which changes the outcome of the balls.

[Context]

I'm not taking a shot at our place in the lottery. I'm taking a shot at our incompetence in not securing the best possible position for the franchise. If we had the worst record, and gotten 4th pick, then well there's nothing you can do about that. But it just so happens the worst record this year got the #1 pick, and it's a spot we had in our grasps. I can care less about 2, 3, 4, 5, etc, or wherever the Lakers and Sixers ended up. #1 was there for the taking.

Fallacy of the pre-determined outcome.

You can't argue that Knicks would have gotten that bounce had they had the most lotto balls. Everything changes from the point forward. They COULD have, but the lottery would have went differently.

Fixating on the fact the Knicks didn't shut-down their undrafred D-leaguer and somehow didn't anticipating a couple good games from a player who played terrible for them all year and helped them lost a majority of their games is a path to nowhere.

Nope. The lotto takes place in a literal vacuum. The outcome is not affected by anything in the outside world. There is no butterfly effect which changes the outcome of the balls.

Sark i agree with you 100%.

[And100]

I'm not taking a shot at our place in the lottery. I'm taking a shot at our incompetence in not securing the best possible position for the franchise. If we had the worst record, and gotten 4th pick, then well there's nothing you can do about that. But it just so happens the worst record this year got the #1 pick, and it's a spot we had in our grasps. I can care less about 2, 3, 4, 5, etc, or wherever the Lakers and Sixers ended up. #1 was there for the taking.

Fallacy of the pre-determined outcome.

You can't argue that Knicks would have gotten that bounce had they had the most lotto balls. Everything changes from the point forward. They COULD have, but the lottery would have went differently.

Fixating on the fact the Knicks didn't shut-down their undrafred D-leaguer and somehow didn't anticipating a couple good games from a player who played terrible for them all year and helped them lost a majority of their games is a path to nowhere.

Nope. The lotto takes place in a literal vacuum. The outcome is not affected by anything in the outside world. There is no butterfly effect which changes the outcome of the balls.

Of course it does. Members of the participating teams attend the lottery. You're assuming no matter what happened in regard to the final standings, every person would have walked into that room in the exact identical manner to the microsecond and gesture. It's a lotto machine like you see on TV. Each ball placed different into the machine by even of a fraction of the second or inch changes the results. The guy running the machine looks in a different direction and things are different.

That's a simple fact. Of course that means the Knicks could have also finished first, instead of second, but it would have been different if just Steve Mills arrived 30 seconds before or after he did. There were human hands loading the balls and operating the machine being influenced by people in the room with them.

[Johnny Hoops]

Anyone wanting the washed up carcass of D- Wade on the Knicks is a damn idiot.

[Sark]

Fallacy of the pre-determined outcome.

You can't argue that Knicks would have gotten that bounce had they had the most lotto balls. Everything changes from the point forward. They COULD have, but the lottery would have went differently.

Fixating on the fact the Knicks didn't shut-down their undrafred D-leaguer and somehow didn't anticipating a couple good games from a player who played terrible for them all year and helped them lost a majority of their games is a path to nowhere.

Nope. The lotto takes place in a literal vacuum. The outcome is not affected by anything in the outside world. There is no butterfly effect which changes the outcome of the balls.

Of course it does. Members of the participating teams attend the lottery. You're assuming no matter what happened in regard to the final standings, every person would have walked into that room in the exact identical manner to the microsecond and gesture. It's a lotto machine like you see on TV. Each ball placed different into the machine by even of a fraction of the second or inch changes the results. The guy running the machine looks in a different direction and things are different.

That's a simple fact. Of course that means the Knicks could have also finished first, instead of second, but it would have been different if just Steve Mills arrived 30 seconds before or after he did. There were human hands loading the balls and operating the machine being influenced by people in the room with them.

If a lotto can be affected by outside sources, then it is not legit. The whole point of putting it in that vacuum machine, is to show that it is in a vacuum, and not affected by anything in the outside world. Otherwise, why not just do a roll of the dice? Or something that is literally not inside of a vacuum?

[And100]

Nope. The lotto takes place in a literal vacuum. The outcome is not affected by anything in the outside world. There is no butterfly effect which changes the outcome of the balls.

Of course it does. Members of the participating teams attend the lottery. You're assuming no matter what happened in regard to the final standings, every person would have walked into that room in the exact identical manner to the microsecond and gesture. It's a lotto machine like you see on TV. Each ball placed different into the machine by even of a fraction of the second or inch changes the results. The guy running the machine looks in a different direction and things are different.

That's a simple fact. Of course that means the Knicks could have also finished first, instead of second, but it would have been different if just Steve Mills arrived 30 seconds before or after he did. There were human hands loading the balls and operating the machine being influenced by people in the room with them.

If a lotto can be affected by outside sources, then it is not legit. The whole point of putting it in that vacuum machine, is to show that it is in a vacuum, and not affected by anything in the outside world. Otherwise, why not just do a roll of the dice? Or something that is literally inside of a vacuum?

Of course its affected by outside sources, it's just can't be specifically influenced. Balls are dropped into the machine and they scramble around like the lotto balls you see on TV, bouncing off one another. No lotto ball is a perfect sphere, so HOW they are placed in the machine by a human hand influences the entire result. The exact speed of the fan changes the results. The humidity in the room influences how they bounce. You think the machine is computer controlled by an atomic clock? You can load the machine twice in identical fashion "in a vacuum" and if you turn off the machine even a split second different in the "B" run" than you did in the "A" run, the results change.

Per NBA.com. "The drawing process occurs in the following manner: All 14 balls are placed in the lottery machine and they are mixed for 20 seconds"

20.01 seconds vs. 20.02 gives you a different result.

The process is utterly RANDOM, which serves its purpose. It doesn't occur in some pocket vacuum universe.

TOTAL butterfly effect. Any human person involved in the process has a different conversation in a reality in which the Knicks finished with the worst record and the lotto results change. Again, maybe in the Knicks favor. I'm not arguing they wouldn't have gotten the 2 seed. I'm saying the obvious, they wouldn't necessarily have gotten the 2 seed, they might have got the 1.

[Besart19]

If we get Okafor #4, I'm going with Wade at SG

Gallo
Wade
Melo
Millsap
Okafor

[Rasho Brezec]

Wade leaving Miami for New York... Phil Jackson of all people would be an awesome F U to Pat. However the odds of that happening seem slim to nil though.

That's part of why I think he'll do it.

Heat kind of have a connundrum between him and Dragic. WT says Riles' offer to Wade starts at 10 mil. We start him at 13 and that's 55 mil over four years. I think he walks.

If Wade leaves, there's a good chance Dragic does, too. Wade had a huge influence on him in these couple of months.

And if Phil signs Wade just to spite Riley, that's another example of bad GM'ing.