76ers will become dynasty in 10 years

[Ponchos]

Can you tell me how long it took KD to learn to win? In games or seasons please. What about LeBron? Or Wade? Or any very good player drafted to a crappy team.

whats your point?

are you stating you have KD, or a lebron or a wade on your team?

Sixers ain't my team. My point is "learn to win" is a meaningless statement. Talent wins games. Young talent, old talent it doesn't matter. These guys have been playing their whole lives, they know what wins a game. Magic won a title in his rookie season. Countless teams have gone from terrible to good with young talent. "Learn to win" is as useless as "winning culture" in terms of platitudes.

[Ponchos]

They stop red-shirting when they are healthy. Why rush a guy back to play on a team that isn't going anywhere. Also no time is coming off Saric's rookie deal.

Just like Freeland and Splitter, Saric will be eligible for a contract larger than the rookie scale if he waits 3 years to enter the NBA. Not that it will be a max contract, but they will have to bid competitively against Euro teams.

Euro teams have no chance of competing with even a moderate NBA deal in 3 years with the way the salary cap is expanding.

[Blkbrd671]

So then Cleav's good management decision was having LeBron be born in Ohio?

Clevelands poor management decisoin was drafting Waiters over Val or Dre
Drafting Bennett of Noel
trading Wiggins for a player thats leaving

My point of all this is just because you get the 1st pick 3 times in a row, doesn't mean your building a dynasty. As with Philly's previous management, you still have to make the right decision when it comes down to it. It literally takes 1 poor decision over the next 10 years to completely f* up this entire plan up.

[76ciology]

Nothing in life is sure. But I say, Sixers has a pretty good chance to be a dynasty.

Not just internal potential of having the most talent via picks, trades and FA. But also externally, when there's a lot of aging teams (LBJ should be around 35-40 by then) and not much teams projected to have that much talent in 5-10 years time.

And it all starts with a healthy Embiid, improvement of Noel and Hinkie nailing our picks going forward.

So far Hinkie has been stellar with cap management, picking up role players (Covington, Ish, Trob and others), player development(shooting of Noel and Jerami), draft (arguably got the consensus top players in past 2 drafts) and trade (Jrue and MCW trades). So sixers is on the right track.

[Ponchos]

So then Cleav's good management decision was having LeBron be born in Ohio?

Clevelands poor management decisoin was drafting Waiters over Val or Dre
Drafting Bennett of Noel
trading Wiggins for a player thats leaving

My point of all this is just because you get the 1st pick 3 times in a row, doesn't mean your building a dynasty. As with Philly's previous management, you still have to make the right decision when it comes down to it. It literally takes 1 poor decision over the next 10 years to completely f* up this entire plan up.

I agree with a lot of that aside from 1 poor decision. Pretty much any championship team you point to has multiple poor decisions in their recent history.

You can say this with anything though. Hiring the wrong coach, implementing the wrong system, making the wrong trades. Having high draft picks doesn't mean your success or failure is completely tied to them, take for example what Boston did with Al Jeff and some picks. Philly isn't married to all their players, I fully expect in 5 years that they will have traded many 1st rounders or one of Embiid/Noel/Russell for other assets.

[kingofthecourt67]

So then Cleav's good management decision was having LeBron be born in Ohio?

Clevelands poor management decisoin was drafting Waiters over Val or Dre
Drafting Bennett of Noel
trading Wiggins for a player thats leaving

My point of all this is just because you get the 1st pick 3 times in a row, doesn't mean your building a dynasty. As with Philly's previous management, you still have to make the right decision when it comes down to it. It literally takes 1 poor decision over the next 10 years to completely f* up this entire plan up.

The exact opposite is actually the beauty of the plan. Hinkie has stockpiled so many first round picks because he knows he won't hit on all of them. Even if only 2-3 of them are hits, we are in great shape.

The 1 poor decision you would be talking about is a crippling trade (e.g. Andrew Bynum) or signing (e.g. Elton Brand).

[Ponchos]

Nothing in life is sure. But I say, Sixers has a pretty good chance to be a dynasty.

Not just internal potential of having the most talent via picks, trades and FA. But also externally, when there's a lot of aging teams (LBJ should be around 35-40 by then) and not much teams projected to have that much talent in 5-10 years time.

And it all starts with a healthy Embiid, improvement of Noel and Hinkie nailing our picks going forward.

I like what Philly is going forward with and I love the gameplan Hinkie is following. But... C'mon. They have an AWFUL chance at being a dynasty. Tiny chance.

A decent chance at being a contender? I think more likely than not. But dynasty???? Out of the 100's of team combinations in the last 40 years there have been very very few dynasties. Put the kool-aid down.

[Blkbrd671]

So then Cleav's good management decision was having LeBron be born in Ohio?

Clevelands poor management decisoin was drafting Waiters over Val or Dre
Drafting Bennett of Noel
trading Wiggins for a player thats leaving

My point of all this is just because you get the 1st pick 3 times in a row, doesn't mean your building a dynasty. As with Philly's previous management, you still have to make the right decision when it comes down to it. It literally takes 1 poor decision over the next 10 years to completely f* up this entire plan up.

I agree with a lot of that aside from 1 poor decision. Pretty much any championship team you point to has multiple poor decisions in their recent history.

Yes but the consequences of those poor decisions is not normally 10 years of planning.

You can say this with anything though. Hiring the wrong coach, implementing the wrong system, making the wrong trades. Having high draft picks doesn't mean your success or failure is completely tied to them, take for example what Boston did with Al Jeff and some picks.

except currently Philly has put themselves in a position where draft picks success or failure is directly tied to the teams success or failure.

[Ponchos]

except currently Philly has put themselves in a position where draft picks success or failure is directly tied to the teams success or failure.

Did I miss an NBA rule that forbids Philly from trading their players/picks or signing free agents?

[majortom71]

I love articles that predict things a decade from now. Hopefully I'll remember this 10 years from now so I can exclaim "Wow! I was there when this was predicted!"

Seriously though, let's focus on next year first shall we?

[HawaiianJazzFan]

Just stop. The Blazers had a great core decimated by injuries.

Saying the Sixers don't have 5% of the potential of OKC is also foolish. You are obviously angry at the Sixers for whatever reason, but don't make blanket statements that are senseless.

I would go as far as to say Phillys entire roster doesn't have 5% of Durants talent let alone Durant/WB/Harden/Ibaka potential core

If we are talking about pure talent, Embiid rivals Durant as a prospect. Noel is way better defensively than any of those guys, too.

Not sure where you are getting these numbers, but they are laughable.

I don't know if the Sixers are going to be a dynasty, I like their core in comparison to a lot of other young teams... but seriously? Saying Noel is way better defensively than 3 consecutive all-nba 1st teamer Serge Ibaka (who's rim protection numbers are ridiculous) is kinda crazy.

[Blkbrd671]

The exact opposite is actually the beauty of the plan. Hinkie has stockpiled so many first round picks because he knows he won't hit on all of them. Even if only 2-3 of them are hits, we are in great shape.

The 1 poor decision you would be talking about is a crippling trade (e.g. Andrew Bynum) or signing (e.g. Elton Brand).

i am not saying that Philly will make a poor decision, i am saying that in a 10 years plan , each decision regarding your assets has that much more weight . It also assumes that the league is going to continue to allow this, and i do believe by 2017 there will be something to deter this. Will Philly have their "hits" by then?

Yes i am making a bit of assumptions, however when you have a 10 year plan, you need to account for realistic events

[Blkbrd671]

except currently Philly has put themselves in a position where draft picks success or failure is directly tied to the teams success or failure.

Did I miss an NBA rule that forbids Philly from trading their players/picks or signing free agents?

did i miss the part where anyone trades significant value for a draft pick failure...............Just stop with this argument. Philly's whole plan is based on the success of their high picks to develop a dynasty. Whether they trade them or keep them, they'll have to be successful if Philly wants the players to build a dynasty around. Stop arguing with yourself.

[Ponchos]

except currently Philly has put themselves in a position where draft picks success or failure is directly tied to the teams success or failure.

Did I miss an NBA rule that forbids Philly from trading their players/picks or signing free agents?

did i miss the part where anyone trades significant value for a draft pick failure...............Just stop with this argument. Philly's whole plan is based on the success of their high picks to develop a dynasty. Whether they trade them or keep them, they'll have to be successful if Philly wants the players to build a dynasty around. Stop arguing with yourself.

Why do you have to trade failures? OKC traded Harden and Green. Boston traded Al Jeff for KG. Clippers traded EG and Aminu for Paul. Just stop.

[kingofthecourt67]

The exact opposite is actually the beauty of the plan. Hinkie has stockpiled so many first round picks because he knows he won't hit on all of them. Even if only 2-3 of them are hits, we are in great shape.

The 1 poor decision you would be talking about is a crippling trade (e.g. Andrew Bynum) or signing (e.g. Elton Brand).

i am not saying that Philly will make a poor decision, i am saying that in a 10 years plan , each decision regarding your assets has that much more weight . It also assumes that the league is going to continue to allow this, and i do believe by 2017 there will be something to deter this. Will Philly have their "hits" by then?

Yes i am making a bit of assumptions, however when you have a 10 year plan, you need to account for realistic events

Wait...what? When did this become a 10 year plan. Sheridan is saying they'll be a dynasty in 10 years.

[psualltheway5]

I would go as far as to say Phillys entire roster doesn't have 5% of Durants talent let alone Durant/WB/Harden/Ibaka potential core

If we are talking about pure talent, Embiid rivals Durant as a prospect. Noel is way better defensively than any of those guys, too.

Not sure where you are getting these numbers, but they are laughable.

I don't know if the Sixers are going to be a dynasty, I like their core in comparison to a lot of other young teams... but seriously? Saying Noel is way better defensively than 3 consecutive all-nba 1st teamer Serge Ibaka (who's rim protection numbers are ridiculous) is kinda crazy.

Noel is a lot better on defense than Ibaka. Noel offers similar rim protection (as a rookie) and their steals/defense in passing lanes aren't comparable. And don't bring up All-NBA defensive teams in the argument. We all know how much of a joke those voters are.

[nikster]

You can tank all you want and have the best scouts in the business, but at the end of the day there is one major factor that is 100% out of any GM's control and that's strength of the drafts.

I was in Seattle for the changing of the guard from Ray to KD, and Presti got very lucky in continuing the Seattle tank plan in 3 of the best draft years in recent history.

2007: Oden, Durant, Horford, Conley, Noah, etc..
2008: Rose, Westbrook, Love, Lopez, etc..
2009: Blake, Harden, Steph, etc..

If Presti had gotten 2, 4, 3 in the next 3 years we're looking at:
2010: Evan Turner
2011: Tristan Thompson
2012: Bradley Beal

Presti is an excellent GM and knows what he's doing, but he still got extremely lucky in tanking at possibly the strongest 3 year draft block in the past twenty years, if not ever. Draft quality usually fluctuates, it's almost impossible to have 3 can't-miss drafts in a row like we did back then.

Even the legendary 2003 draft was followed by 2004 where 2 of the top 3 were Emeka Okafor & Ben Gordon.

Hinkie may have done as much research as possible, but he can't control the talent level of kids in high school.

thats assuming he drafts as bad as some of those lottery teams did. and that is a huge assumption. when 76ers took Turner Demarcus Cousins and Paul George were still on the board. in 2011 there was still Klay, Kawhai and Jimmy Butler. and taking bradley in 2012 would be great, as he is one of the best young SGs in the league and was amazing in these playoffs. He still could have built a team drafting any one of those years

[nikster]

If we are talking about pure talent, Embiid rivals Durant as a prospect. Noel is way better defensively than any of those guys, too.

Not sure where you are getting these numbers, but they are laughable.

I don't know if the Sixers are going to be a dynasty, I like their core in comparison to a lot of other young teams... but seriously? Saying Noel is way better defensively than 3 consecutive all-nba 1st teamer Serge Ibaka (who's rim protection numbers are ridiculous) is kinda crazy.

Noel is a lot better on defense than Ibaka. Noel offers similar rim protection (as a rookie) and their steals/defense in passing lanes aren't comparable. And don't bring up All-NBA defensive teams in the argument. We all know how much of a joke those voters are.

noel has the potential to be a lot better on defense, hes not there yet

[76ciology]

Nothing in life is sure. But I say, Sixers has a pretty good chance to be a dynasty.

Not just internal potential of having the most talent via picks, trades and FA. But also externally, when there's a lot of aging teams (LBJ should be around 35-40 by then) and not much teams projected to have that much talent in 5-10 years time.

And it all starts with a healthy Embiid, improvement of Noel and Hinkie nailing our picks going forward.

I like what Philly is going forward with and I love the gameplan Hinkie is following. But... C'mon. They have an AWFUL chance at being a dynasty. Tiny chance.

A decent chance at being a contender? I think more likely than not. But dynasty???? Out of the 100's of team combinations in the last 40 years there have been very very few dynasties. Put the kool-aid down.

We're talking about probability.

Embiid can be a two way-franchise player, Russell could be one of the best offensive players in the league shown by his ORTG and scoring prowess in college (I'm rooting for Mudiay though) and Noel is already one of the top defensive players in the league while challenging all time defensive numbers as a rookie. And we haven't factored in the probability of adding a top 3 pick next year(Ben Simmons?), our other 1sts next year (Lakers, OKC and Mia) and Saric/Jerami. In paper, which all arguments about future is based upon on, it's arguably sixers will have lopsided talent in 5-10 years time. Then also factor in the cap space and the probability of landing a superstar.

I also think you need to factor in the competition. Aging teams and superstars while not as promising rebuilding teams (don't get me wrong, they're good but i don't think they are better).

[Blkbrd671]

Wait...what? When did this become a 10 year plan. Sheridan is saying they'll be a dynasty in 10 years.

idk, i've been debating with 4 different 76er's posters and none of them have corrected me. Also if the discussion is at the 10 year they become a dynasty. Doesn't that make it a 10 year plan?

i guess a better question is, what is philly's time frame