Draftexpress drops Mudiay down to pick #6 today

[Fury]

mudiay cant shoot, questionable d, struggles to finish at rim..he is a poor mans rondo

Why is he a lot mans Rondo if he's a better shooter than rondo? He's also bigger and stronger. And he's a better scorer too.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

I actually see triple double potential from this kid.
He could be a baby Lebron, for real...an even more pure playmaking version at that.
A Russell Westbrook that "plays the right way".
I'm really thinking there's no way this kid goes past #4 overall.
He seems intelligent and mature as well.

[mpharris36]

trolling by a moderator...oh well

[Greenie]

You all are welcome on the Big Willie train. Im you're conductor....Greenie

[Greenie]

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You could put Kobe, MJ, Shaq in any or most offenses and they would still produce great numbers/win championships. The triangle isn't going to workout because you build systems to fit with your players not the other way around.

This team has no where near the talent to be drafting by need, yet they're planning to do so. That's one of the biggest mistakes you could make. If Jackson skips on Mudiay I really hope he gets fired, you always take the BPA especially if you're in the top five.

of course they could

and the biggest issue this team has had is that were fielding a pathetic supporting cast with Melo and wasting years and years

that and his coaches have been subpar

Look at Kobe and Shaq before Phil or after him when they struggled
its not just a matter of slotting in the players

the system got MJ and Pippen past the Pistons when they couldn't before
the system got Kobe and Shaq past Utah and Portland and SA when they couldn't before

Shaq won 1 more title after LA in Mia when Wade basically was unstoppable and the Mavs fell apart
Kobe won 3 more in LA after Shaq left when Phil slotted in Bynum and Gasol who are no Shaq

Phil's record speaks for itself

I trust him to build around Melo
I trust him to draft the player that works in his system the best
I trust his hand picked and schooled coach to make the system work and adjust it when it doesn't

and I have more faith in this than a cynical, lazy and anti-fan statement like

The triangle is garbage, the only reason it produced championships is because it had all time greats playing in it. I'm gonna love watching Phil describe the 'problems' with the roster when it doesn't work out.

I dont understand fans like you
people who say they can't wait to see a failure
people who say they are going to laugh when such and such bad thing happens

either you are too young to developed empathy and class and humility or you are just posturing for the internet or you are a terrible fan and should go be a 76er fan

I LOVE YOU NLR...

[swisscheeseD]

You all are welcome on the Big Willie train. Im you're conductor....Greenie

So you're riding the Big Willie? You never struck me as someone who was into the D.

[EdgeOf]

You all are welcome on the Big Willie train. Im you're conductor....Greenie

So you're riding the Big Willie? You never struck me as someone who was into the D.

It's a dike.

If we take Cauley-Stein then I will personally shoot up the MSG front office.

The worst thing to grab out of this draft is a role playing 5, can you imagine the boos when this kid can't score for his life. I'd rather spend top dollar on Andre Drummond next season, at least he has room to grow and is talented on both ends of the court.

If Phil ruins this off-season I might take a couple seasons off from the Knicks, can't watch this anymore….

I actually see triple double potential from this kid.
He could be a baby Lebron, for real...an even more pure playmaking version at that.
A Russell Westbrook that "plays the right way".
I'm really thinking there's no way this kid goes past #4 overall.
He seems intelligent and mature as well.

It would be death to pass on this kid, especially for Justise (role-player, I am a 3) Winslow. If the Knicks take this kid they deserve the mediocrity he provides. I don't even think he is good enough to be the next Thaddeus Young

[melomax]

If Mudiay's floor is Rondo,

You still draft him over WCS and Winslow in a heartbeat.

[kingquan316]

Draft the best available player. The triangle is garbage, the only reason it produced championships is because it had all time greats playing in it. I'm gonna love watching Phil describe the 'problems' with the roster when it doesn't work out.

Those all time greats didn't win **** until Phil came aboard and help them win 3-peats.

U need both all time great players, and a great coach to win titles most of the time in the nba.

So you say u gonna love watching Phil describe the problems, when it doesn't work out. So you as a supposed Knick fan would rather see the team fail, and show that u were right, then to be wrong and have your supposed favorite team have success. The only thing that is garbage is u being a true Knick fan. I know you ain't a real Knick fan, and are a troll, cause I know your history on here, and how u are a little cry baby when people call out your bs. Go ahead and whine about me, and try to suspend me. Cause the only thing u are good at is bitching about stuff.

[Rasho Brezec]

Only someone who hates the Knicks would want them to draft Willie Trill Cauley-Stein.

[Fat Kat]

Draft the best available player. The triangle is garbage, the only reason it produced championships is because it had all time greats playing in it. I'm gonna love watching Phil describe the 'problems' with the roster when it doesn't work out.

Those all time greats didn't win **** until Phil came aboard and help them win 3-peats.

U need both all time great players, and a great coach to win titles most of the time in the nba.

So you say u gonna love watching Phil describe the problems, when it doesn't work out. So you as a supposed Knick fan would rather see the team fail, and show that u were right, then to be wrong and have your supposed favorite team have success. The only thing that is garbage is u being a true Knick fan. I know you ain't a real Knick fan, and are a troll, cause I know your history on here, and how u are a little cry baby when people call out your bs. Go ahead and whine about me, and try to suspend me. Cause the only thing u are good at is bitching about stuff.

He's a craptor fan. Thought everyone knew this.

[NoLayupRule]

I LOVE YOU NLR...

[Kenyon009]

Draft the best available player. The triangle is garbage, the only reason it produced championships is because it had all time greats playing in it. I'm gonna love watching Phil describe the 'problems' with the roster when it doesn't work out.

Those all time greats didn't win **** until Phil came aboard and help them win 3-peats.

U need both all time great players, and a great coach to win titles most of the time in the nba.

So you say u gonna love watching Phil describe the problems, when it doesn't work out. So you as a supposed Knick fan would rather see the team fail, and show that u were right, then to be wrong and have your supposed favorite team have success. The only thing that is garbage is u being a true Knick fan. I know you ain't a real Knick fan, and are a troll, cause I know your history on here, and how u are a little cry baby when people call out your bs. Go ahead and whine about me, and try to suspend me. Cause the only thing u are good at is bitching about stuff.

It's my prediction for now. So far the off-season has barely even started and there's a lot of moves to be made. But if you think that trading down for Trey Lyles of all people would make the team better you are delusional and blindly following Phil. Phil is a rookie GM and his perceived greatness is because of great players on his roster.

It has nothing to do with me being a bad fan. It's just me being tired of the same rinse and repeat scenarios, so called great GM comes in claiming to have this holy grail of a thing called the triangle. Then he's skipping out on BPAs and rumoured to try and trade down for lesser talent. In a market where it's already hard enough to get players to come here why in the blue hell would you do that? Especially considering your last few championships all had 2-3 players of top ten rank.

I'm a real Knicks fan I watched 90% of the games last year despite living overseas, the tank job, a massive time difference, and being in school while working on the side too. I would have to get up/stay up between 12am-3am just to catch games.

[Kenyon009]

Only someone who hates the Knicks would want them to draft Willie Trill Cauley-Stein.

If you're looking for fit you have to consider WCS. He isn't the perfect fit for the triangle however if you put Anthony at the PF position you're going to need a strong help defender and rim protector.

[Kenyon009]

that post <<<<<<<<<<<<

You could put Kobe, MJ, Shaq in any or most offenses and they would still produce great numbers/win championships. The triangle isn't going to workout because you build systems to fit with your players not the other way around.

This team has no where near the talent to be drafting by need, yet they're planning to do so. That's one of the biggest mistakes you could make. If Jackson skips on Mudiay I really hope he gets fired, you always take the BPA especially if you're in the top five.

of course they could

and the biggest issue this team has had is that were fielding a pathetic supporting cast with Melo and wasting years and years

that and his coaches have been subpar

Look at Kobe and Shaq before Phil or after him when they struggled
its not just a matter of slotting in the players

the system got MJ and Pippen past the Pistons when they couldn't before
the system got Kobe and Shaq past Utah and Portland and SA when they couldn't before

Shaq won 1 more title after LA in Mia when Wade basically was unstoppable and the Mavs fell apart
Kobe won 3 more in LA after Shaq left when Phil slotted in Bynum and Gasol who are no Shaq

Phil's record speaks for itself

I trust him to build around Melo
I trust him to draft the player that works in his system the best
I trust his hand picked and schooled coach to make the system work and adjust it when it doesn't

and I have more faith in this than a cynical, lazy and anti-fan statement like

The triangle is garbage, the only reason it produced championships is because it had all time greats playing in it. I'm gonna love watching Phil describe the 'problems' with the roster when it doesn't work out.

I dont understand fans like you
people who say they can't wait to see a failure
people who say they are going to laugh when such and such bad thing happens

either you are too young to developed empathy and class and humility or you are just posturing for the internet or you are a terrible fan and should go be a 76er fan

http://www.lakersnation.com/shaquille-o ... 014/10/17/

Who's our second superstar? Where are we getting him? Def not through the draft, even the Knicks FO has rumored to be content with a rotational player from it (WCS/Lyles). Since you're blindly instilling faith in Phil why not instill it in someone who's won championships with him and spent more time with Phil than you or any Knick fan has?

[NoLayupRule]

Who's our second superstar? Where are we getting him? Def not through the draft, even the Knicks FO has rumored to be content with a rotational player from it (WCS/Lyles). Since you're blindly instilling faith in Phil why not instill it in someone who's won championships with him and spent more time with Phil than you or any Knick fan has?

I'm really hating your posts

who's our 2nd superstar you ask?

well its great that you went ahead and predicted the future by saying its not coming in the draft despite the fact that Mudiay was supposed to be a franchise level talent until we dropped to 4. despite the fact that Russell or Okafor could drop. Despite the fact that Winslow has Kawai Leonard potential. Despite the fact that there are several euros under the radar who might be stars.

And thats ignoring our 27mil in cap space this summer and another 15-20 next summer

so apparently thats not good enough.

you'd prefer me to read what Shaq has to say instead? Guess what, Shaq isn't a basketball mind he's a basketball body. I don't put as much faith in Shaq's analysis or your bloated negativity as I do in one of the greatest motivators and winners of our generation.

call me crazy

[Kenyon009]

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I'm really hating your posts

Does this imply that you have an agenda against me? Hate is subjective. I'm telling what I think will be the most likely outcome.

who's our 2nd superstar you ask?

well its great that you went ahead and predicted the future by saying its not coming in the draft despite the fact that Mudiay was supposed to be a franchise level talent until we dropped to 4. despite the fact that Russell or Okafor could drop. Despite the fact that Winslow has Kawai Leonard potential. Despite the fact that there are several euros under the radar who might be stars.

In which alternate universe does a player that can't shoot or have less than stellar athletic ability while performing very average in a chinese league end up being a superstar in the NBA? I can guarantee that Mudiay won't break a 15+ PER on a above 500 team over a full course of a season in at least his first 3 years.

Do you actually think that Mudiay will be able to develop on a team that's trying to win now? He's being depicted as the next Wall or Rose out of HS, that is complete hype. He is the BPA at 4 but the draft is definitely not top heavy after the top three it is very murky.

And thats ignoring our 27mil in cap space this summer and another 15-20 next summer

Look at the 2010 FA which btw had fewer buyers than 2016 will and NY was considered to have a great market that only was able to lure in a injury studded Amare.

The best bid in 2015 FA will be Monroe since most RFA outside of maybe Harris will be retained.

so apparently thats not good enough.

you'd prefer me to read what Shaq has to say instead? Guess what, Shaq isn't a basketball mind he's a basketball body. I don't put as much faith in Shaq's analysis or your bloated negativity as I do in one of the greatest motivators and winners of our generation.

call me crazy

Shaq knows the triangle better than you or most Knick fans. He played in it for 3+ years and he had more communication with PJ than any/all Knick fans combined. A coach is only as good as it's talent while talent can overcome bad coaching (ex. Mike Brown and LeBron, Monty and Davis, etc). This team doesn't even have one superstar according to the average NBA player and that said superstar is on a decline.

It's not negativity it's being a realist. Not everything is going to be going accordingly next season and that's the sad reality of it. So look, the easiest solution is to trade Melo before his terrible contract kicks in for maybe the 2nd pick. Then build from there. How often does a year of tanking and then retooling work? Not too many examples out there. The Knicks aren't the exception they're the rule...

[KingDavid]

Trade Melo for the second pick? That's a very radical idea. I think the Lakers wouldn't do that. Melo has a no-trade clause as well.

[AmazingJason]

You all are welcome on the Big Willie train. Im you're conductor....Greenie

So you're riding the Big Willie? You never struck me as someone who was into the D.

It's a dike.

If we take Cauley-Stein then I will personally shoot up the MSG front office.

The worst thing to grab out of this draft is a role playing 5, can you imagine the boos when this kid can't score for his life. I'd rather spend top dollar on Andre Drummond next season, at least he has room to grow and is talented on both ends of the court.

If Phil ruins this off-season I might take a couple seasons off from the Knicks, can't watch this anymore….

I actually see triple double potential from this kid.
He could be a baby Lebron, for real...an even more pure playmaking version at that.
A Russell Westbrook that "plays the right way".
I'm really thinking there's no way this kid goes past #4 overall.
He seems intelligent and mature as well.

It would be death to pass on this kid, especially for Justise (role-player, I am a 3) Winslow. If the Knicks take this kid they deserve the mediocrity he provides. I don't even think he is good enough to be the next Thaddeus Young

I'm all for drafting Mudiay. I love the kid. But is it the end of the world if we draft WCS?

WCS = DeAndre Jordan that can shoot
Melo = Blake Griffin that can shoot the 3
Combo Forward = FA $$
Wing = FA $$
Galloway = Derek Fisher with elite D

This team will probably make one Finals; it could take a year or two to gel, though. But we would be contenders throughout Melo's contract. Especially in the East.

[mpharris36]

i love you jason but WCS = DeAndre that can shoot?

lol come one with that, DeAndre Jordan is the best rebounder in the NBA. WCS wasn't even the best rebounder on his college basketball team.