76ers will become dynasty in 10 years

[DickGrayson]

Dynasties don't rely on two injury prone big men. Until Noel and Embiid can show they can play 3 durable seasons in a row and can lead Philadelphia to the playoffs, then let these talks about potential dynasty begin. Right now Philadelphia are still a tanking franchise who can't be taken seriously in terms of competition. Drafting injury prone players so they can get another shot at the lottery... Losing culture breathes in deeply into these young players especially Noel and Embiid who never won anything at the collegiate level.

I love how all the ladies saying **** about the sixers set it up so they can't fail. If embiid and Noel put together 3 seasons like thst they'll be an unstoppable force but you'll be saying "I said until they put together 3 seasons we won't be able to tell!"



If we flip a coin you'd be saying unless it lands on what I want we won't be able to determine a winner way to go out on a limb Jesus.

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so you're upset because I'm asking people to wait 3 years of proven durable basketball before they proclaim Embiid and Noel as healthy bodies?
Didn't know strong evidence made you angry, calm down nena. You're not proving anyone wrong 5 years from now except yourself. The future you would be embarrass to see how you're writing these post. Swearing to Jesus in your post, are you thst serious ?

I have no idea why I am wasting time on this but:

Nerlens played 30.8 minutes per game last year and played 75 (and has been mentioned, could have been higher).

Theres hardly any evidence or argument that tells us Noel isn't injury prone.
it's been repeated and we know already Noel played over 70 games.
If Noel gets injured or hurt every season or year he's injury prone. History tells us so. Not even history but recent times showed Noel got injured this year. Not severely but Noel has a glass body. It's not about my expectations it's about your lack of patience to wait until Noel proves he's a durable player and can go another 3 seasons playing 70 games until you can logically say "he isn't as injury prone as you think" and actually defend the kid with an argument because all the information points towards the fact that Noel gets hurt or injured every season. Nene is a perfect example of a guy who just isn't that durable but can play 70 games in a season but only gets about 30 minutes a game.


Can Noel be a 33-35 minute player for 3 seasons without seriously getting hurt ? Let's wait and see. Don't tell me he isn't injury prone without him proving it.

Like I asked before:
show me a year or season where Noel was 100% healthy.

Whatever, there's no point in continuing with you. The entire debate is "don't tell me he isn't injury prone without him proving it" while your subjective standard of the necessary proof is unrealistic.

It's realistic for a healthy durable player to go through 2-3 seasons without any major injuries. Players play with pain and get hurt, but that happens in all sports.
It's unrealistic for an injury prone player to go 2-3 seasons without any alarming injuries or reoccurring injuries.

Healthy players face injuries too, career ending sometimes. These things we never know, but they get labeled healthy players for a reason. There's a reason why LeBron James is LeBron James and Nerlens Noel is Nerlens Noel.

The question is, what is reality to you? I got faith in Noel he can stay healthy. But that's faith and faith only.

[BullyKing]

Dynasties don't rely on two injury prone big men. Until Noel and Embiid can show they can play 3 durable seasons in a row and can lead Philadelphia to the playoffs, then let these talks about potential dynasty begin. Right now Philadelphia are still a tanking franchise who can't be taken seriously in terms of competition. Drafting injury prone players so they can get another shot at the lottery... Losing culture breathes in deeply into these young players especially Noel and Embiid who never won anything at the collegiate level.

I love how all the ladies saying **** about the sixers set it up so they can't fail. If embiid and Noel put together 3 seasons like thst they'll be an unstoppable force but you'll be saying "I said until they put together 3 seasons we won't be able to tell!"



If we flip a coin you'd be saying unless it lands on what I want we won't be able to determine a winner way to go out on a limb Jesus.

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so you're upset because I'm asking people to wait 3 years of proven durable basketball before they proclaim Embiid and Noel as healthy bodies?
Didn't know strong evidence made you angry, calm down nena. You're not proving anyone wrong 5 years from now except yourself. The future you would be embarrass to see how you're writing these post. Swearing to Jesus in your post, are you thst serious ?

Theres hardly any evidence or argument that tells us Noel isn't injury prone.
it's been repeated and we know already Noel played over 70 games.
If Noel gets injured or hurt every season or year he's injury prone. History tells us so. Not even history but recent times showed Noel got injured this year. Not severely but Noel has a glass body. It's not about my expectations it's about your lack of patience to wait until Noel proves he's a durable player and can go another 3 seasons playing 70 games until you can logically say "he isn't as injury prone as you think" and actually defend the kid with an argument because all the information points towards the fact that Noel gets hurt or injured every season. Nene is a perfect example of a guy who just isn't that durable but can play 70 games in a season but only gets about 30 minutes a game.


Can Noel be a 33-35 minute player for 3 seasons without seriously getting hurt ? Let's wait and see. Don't tell me he isn't injury prone without him proving it.

Like I asked before:
show me a year or season where Noel was 100% healthy.

Whatever, there's no point in continuing with you. The entire debate is "don't tell me he isn't injury prone without him proving it" while your subjective standard of the necessary proof is unrealistic.

It's realistic for a healthy durable player to go through 2-3 seasons without any major injuries. Players play with pain and get hurt, but that happens in all sports.
It's unrealistic for an injury prone player to go 2-3 seasons without any alarming injuries or reoccurring injuries.

Healthy players face injuries too, career ending sometimes. These things we never know, but they get labeled healthy players for a reason. There's a reason why LeBron James is LeBron James and Nerlens Noel is Nerlens Noel.

The question is, what is reality to you? I got faith in Noel he can stay healthy. But that's faith and faith only.

The problem isn't wanting to see Noel be healthy for a couple of years for it to quiet your injury concerns. That's perfectly reasonable. It's not giving him credit for last year as one such year that makes you sound absurd Unless you count respiratory infections among alarming or reoccurring injuries.

[HartfordWhalers]

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I think it is perfectly reasonable to say you want to see more healthy seasons from Noel before counting him as not injury prone.

Calling 2014-2015 an 'injured' season seems a lot less reasonable. By that standard, 4 out of 5 players are injured every year.

[DickGrayson]

I love how all the ladies saying **** about the sixers set it up so they can't fail. If embiid and Noel put together 3 seasons like thst they'll be an unstoppable force but you'll be saying "I said until they put together 3 seasons we won't be able to tell!"



If we flip a coin you'd be saying unless it lands on what I want we won't be able to determine a winner way to go out on a limb Jesus.

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so you're upset because I'm asking people to wait 3 years of proven durable basketball before they proclaim Embiid and Noel as healthy bodies?
Didn't know strong evidence made you angry, calm down nena. You're not proving anyone wrong 5 years from now except yourself. The future you would be embarrass to see how you're writing these post. Swearing to Jesus in your post, are you thst serious ?

Whatever, there's no point in continuing with you. The entire debate is "don't tell me he isn't injury prone without him proving it" while your subjective standard of the necessary proof is unrealistic.

It's realistic for a healthy durable player to go through 2-3 seasons without any major injuries. Players play with pain and get hurt, but that happens in all sports.
It's unrealistic for an injury prone player to go 2-3 seasons without any alarming injuries or reoccurring injuries.

Healthy players face injuries too, career ending sometimes. These things we never know, but they get labeled healthy players for a reason. There's a reason why LeBron James is LeBron James and Nerlens Noel is Nerlens Noel.

The question is, what is reality to you? I got faith in Noel he can stay healthy. But that's faith and faith only.

The problem isn't wanting to see Noel be healthy for a couple of years for it to quiet your injury concerns. That's perfectly reasonable. It's not giving him credit for last year as one such year that makes you sound absurd Unless you count respiratory infections among alarming or reoccurring injuries.

I think Noel deserved Rookie of the year, he played a great season especially after all star break.

But it's absurd to say he isn't injury prone by ignoring his history and if he has a minor injury or gets hurt in his lower extremity and act like it's an accident. It's a blind way to look at things.

Hartford whalers, Noel got injured late in the season. To call it an injured season would be unfair. may you invite me to show me 80% of the players in the NBA who have had as many low extremity injuries as Noel during age 17 to 20.
I just believe ignoring Noels 2015 injury is straight up malpractice. This kids healths means the world right now especially for Philadelphia who can be a special kind of team we haven't seen since the 90s Spurs or mid 00s Pistons. Noel definately proved he can provide 70 games in a season. My concern is how much of his health he has to continue on. Trust me I am not a Noel hater, I love Kentucky products and Noel is everything the Knicks don't have and Philly is blessed to have such a talent. If he can play 30 minutes a game without any stops to his career the NBA will be a better league. We need more defensive players.

[HartfordWhalers]

Hartford whalers, Noel got injured late in the season. To call it an injured season would be unfair. may you invite me to show me 80% of the players in the NBA who have had as many low extremity injuries as Noel during age 17 to 20.
I just believe ignoring Noels 2015 injury is straight up malpractice.

Calling 2014-2015 an 'injured' season seems a lot less reasonable. By that standard, 4 out of 5 players are injured every year.

Was this really confusing? His minutes played put him in the top 80% of NBA players easily, for 2014-2015. And missing the last game(s) was a game time decision influenced by the fact that it was the last game(s).

[wickedwrister]

Just to be clear, my comment was in regards whether Minnesota had a better future than Philly. I never said that the morality of the talent acquisition should affect the evaluation of the talent. Tim Duncan was drafted after a tank job. But, if we are having a discussion about which team was more embarrassing, I'd be prouder of a team that tried, albeit unsuccessfully to actually put a set of players on the court to compete than a team whose strategic purpose was to be as bad as possible to a level rarely seen, even among tanking teams. Honorable failure vs. dishonorable success. This part of the conversation is old though, and it is unrelated to whether the strategy will work or not, something we won't know for a while. There aren't any new arguments.

The more interesting argument now is whether Minnesota has a better future or not.

Oh, silly me! Now it all makes sense!

When a GM tries to put a competitive team out on the floor, and fails spectacularly, well that is what being a good GM is all about.

But when a GM has a rational, cohesive plan to bottom out, build around high lottery picks, and acquire assets, well that man is pure evil. How dare he show intelligence and foresight!

You guys are morons.

Remember that time the brilliant GM Flip Saunders thought his team could compete this year so he traded a 1st round pick to the dastardly embarrassment known as the Sixers for that most rare commodity in the world, a veteran presence in Thad Young? And then the Wolves went out and had the worst record in the league. #honorablefailure.

I think it all comes down to this.

Neither the Sixers or the Wolves had any shot at winning the title last year.

Fans would rather:
1) A team pretend that its going to have a shot and make poor long term decisions to chase that goal (see Thad Young trade for Miami 1st)
than
2) Acknowledge that there is no hope to win a title this year and make moves that benefit subsequent years where they may have a shot (see Thad Young trade for Miami 1st)

But no one will admit this fact because it is kinda dumb when you actually say it out loud, so you get all this other noise around the Sixers

[OrlandoDream]

Dynasty? The 76rs should worry about getting out of the top 3 before making these kind of assumptions.

[DanTown8587]

Let's say that it's true that the Sixers hit on every draft pick, the problem will come with affording them. One of the problems that comes with great success at the top of the draft, you have to pay everyone that second contract and we can see what happens when you don't (OKC). SO yeah, maybe Embidd/Noel/Saric/This guy this year/Some guy next year are all really good but that window isn't open for a decade, it's probably smaller and then you have the problem of having to make the right decision. And then get lucky.

New Orleans, SOLELY because they have Davis, is more likely to be a dynasty because dynasties in almost all cases have a top 3 (at worst) player on their team and Philly, even if guys max out, probably doesn't have that.

[Unbreakable99]

The people who hate on the Sixers' plan are Neanderthals. It's just that simple. They are clueless and are just embarrassing themselves with each post.

[nbafan38]

Remember when we all thought that the Thunder would be in every finals for the next decade after 2012? They had so much young talent, so how could it go wrong?

Terrible trade and really bad luck in terms of injuries. That team truly had dynasty in the making back in 2012.

[BullyKing]

The people who hate on the Sixers' plan are Neanderthals. It's just that simple. They are clueless and are just embarrassing themselves with each post.

Please stop doing this. It does not help the situation and is what helps lead to having to respond 1 million times to people who say that all Sixers fans act like there is no chance the plan fails.

[HartfordWhalers]

The people who hate on the Sixers' plan are Neanderthals. It's just that simple. They are clueless and are just embarrassing themselves with each post.

You really should take a break from posting. At the very least in this thread. The 'what is your team plans???!?!?' were getting pretty cringeworthy, but this is even further.

[Mik317]

Sure neither Embiid or Russell will light the world on fire their first years...Durant didn't do that.

I hate the OKC comps too but you go back to Durant's rookie year and you wouldn't think they'd be this good either..,.we had jokers on this very board calling Durant a bust, a chucker, and a scrub and ****.

that's completely unfounded. nobody ever called Durant a bust or chucker during his rookie season, when he averaged 20.3ppg/4.4rpg/2.4apg. there were questions that he'd ever be MVP-caliber, but most people had him pegged as leading the league in scoring down the line, similar to Orlando-era Tracy McGrady. and that was as a rookie. but then you say "first couple of years", despite Durant averaging 30.1 points per game in his third season.

I get that you have an agenda, but most of RealGM isn't ignorant about basketball. at least make an effort to use some sort of factual argument, like "Blake Griffin missed his rookie season, and he turned out fine" with respect to Embiid. otherwise, any valid points you make will be overlooked due to a complete lack of credibility.

I'm not going back to search that far but there was a ton of idiots calling Durant an inefficient chucker his rookie season. they were idiots but they still called him that (especially early IIRC). But my point is that Durant did not win games for his few few years....that is true isn't it? Not sure why this is what you are calling me out on... That is a fact, no? We probably will also not win a lot of games next year either...but we will begin to see the potential Embiid or whoever have...That was my point in both posts.

I hate when people pick out one sentence of posts to attack any way...quote the whole thing. That post wasn't even about Durant really but rather how we couldn't compare our dudes to him yet because they haven't played (again a fact) and the other one was saying that we should find out how good our guys are because EVEN IF THEY DON'T light up the world (i.e win games or be consistantly great), you generally see signs of said greatness....like Durant. None of that is false, is it? IIRC I was talking about the 10 year plan guy and why do Sixers fans think our future is awesome guy.

Next time try to read the entire posts instead of cherry picking specific lines so you can call me out on some agenda. Sounds like you have an agenda of your own....

[Higga]

It's more likely they'll be a repeat of the late 90s/early 00s Clippers where they get high first rounders every year but have no clue how to actually build a team beyond stockpiling 19-22 year olds and end up falling into the abyss of NBA franchises.

[Unbreakable99]

The people who hate on the Sixers' plan are Neanderthals. It's just that simple. They are clueless and are just embarrassing themselves with each post.

Please stop doing this. It does not help the situation and is what helps lead to having to respond 1 million times to people who say that all Sixers fans act like there is no chance the plan fails.

I never said the Sixers plan wouldn't fail so no I will not stop doing this.

[Unbreakable99]

The people who hate on the Sixers' plan are Neanderthals. It's just that simple. They are clueless and are just embarrassing themselves with each post.

You really should take a break from posting. At the very least in this thread. The 'what is your team plans???!?!?' were getting pretty cringeworthy, but this is even further.

Maybe you should stop posting as well. If you don't like what I post then deal with it. I come with facts.

[BullyKing]

The people who hate on the Sixers' plan are Neanderthals. It's just that simple. They are clueless and are just embarrassing themselves with each post.

Please stop doing this. It does not help the situation and is what helps lead to having to respond 1 million times to people who say that all Sixers fans act like there is no chance the plan fails.

I never said the Sixers plan wouldn't fail so no I will not stop doing this.

You seem like a really mature guy. I bet you're a blast at parties.

[Unbreakable99]

Please stop doing this. It does not help the situation and is what helps lead to having to respond 1 million times to people who say that all Sixers fans act like there is no chance the plan fails.

I never said the Sixers plan wouldn't fail so no I will not stop doing this.

You seem like a really mature guy. I bet you're a blast at parties.

Whatever. You may not be able to comprehend reading because you said I said something I didn't say. Don't get mad at me that you misunderstood. I never said the Sixers' plan has no chance of failure. If I did then please show me where I said that. Otherwise just keep quiet.

[HartfordWhalers]

The people who hate on the Sixers' plan are Neanderthals. It's just that simple. They are clueless and are just embarrassing themselves with each post.

You really should take a break from posting. At the very least in this thread. The 'what is your team plans???!?!?' were getting pretty cringeworthy, but this is even further.

Maybe you should stop posting as well. If you don't like what I post then deal with it. I come with facts.

So far you have deflected off both some legitimate and some illegitimate questions about the Sixers by badgering posters about other teams' plans, and then called everyone who disagrees Neaderthall. I'm not sure how you reconcile that with 'coming with facts', it is the exact opposite and a type of post that promotes zero discussion and serves no one.

That said, I won't post to you more on it, and just ignore you.

[wickedwrister]

It's more likely they'll be a repeat of the late 90s/early 00s Clippers where they get high first rounders every year but have no clue how to actually build a team beyond stockpiling 19-22 year olds and end up falling into the abyss of NBA franchises.

If you can't tell the difference between the structure/vision/competence of the current Sixers front office vs that of Donald Sterling and Elgin Baylor.......