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Re: PC Board OT thread 

Post#961 » by NyCeEvO » Wed Jun 3, 2015 10:34 pm

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PaulieWal wrote:Why the hell would I take an assistant job when I can wait for Byron Scott to get fired while living large on the Bulls' dime?

Thibs may love basketball but I am sure he loves free $9 mil more while he gets to chill for a year.


He gets his money regardless. For any other normal person, I would agree with this sentiment, but from what we know about Thibodeau and his personality, the guy is all hoops.

Maybe he sits out a year, but that would be weird to me. This is after all the man who broke up his relationship with his fiancé because he had no time for both a woman and coaching.

Considering that Gentry was an associate head coach and is now a head coach again and Monty Williams just took up an assistant coach position with the Thunder, I don't see why Thibs wouldn't just become an AHC or AC and just wait for the next desirable HC spot to open up.
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Post#962 » by Dr Spaceman » Wed Jun 3, 2015 11:12 pm

NyCeEvO wrote:
Mark K wrote:
PaulieWal wrote:Why the hell would I take an assistant job when I can wait for Byron Scott to get fired while living large on the Bulls' dime?

Thibs may love basketball but I am sure he loves free $9 mil more while he gets to chill for a year.


He gets his money regardless. For any other normal person, I would agree with this sentiment, but from what we know about Thibodeau and his personality, the guy is all hoops.

Maybe he sits out a year, but that would be weird to me. This is after all the man who broke up his relationship with his fiancé because he had no time for both a woman and coaching.

Considering that Gentry was an associate head coach and is now a head coach again and Monty Williams just took up an assistant coach position with the Thunder, I don't see why Thibs wouldn't just become an AHC or AC and just wait for the next desirable HC spot to open up.


Because Thibs doesn't have an image to rehabilitate. Perception around the league right now is that he can immediately step in as HC and cause massive improvement. He could legitimately command one of the highest salaries league-wide if he wanted. Taking an assistant job can only hurt him from a financial and perceptive standpoint.

Gentry has had numerous head coaching stints where his teams underperformed and he barely lasted a couple seasons. Williams is largely seen as below-average, and not the type of coach you want on a team serious about winning. The market for Gentry in 2013 was unpalatable, and its very likely the market for Monty this summer was even worse. It's entirely possible Monty never even gets a shot to coach again (although Avery Johnson was given a second chance so who knows)
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Re: PC Board OT thread 

Post#963 » by NyCeEvO » Wed Jun 3, 2015 11:49 pm

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He gets his money regardless. For any other normal person, I would agree with this sentiment, but from what we know about Thibodeau and his personality, the guy is all hoops.

Maybe he sits out a year, but that would be weird to me. This is after all the man who broke up his relationship with his fiancé because he had no time for both a woman and coaching.

Considering that Gentry was an associate head coach and is now a head coach again and Monty Williams just took up an assistant coach position with the Thunder, I don't see why Thibs wouldn't just become an AHC or AC and just wait for the next desirable HC spot to open up.


Because Thibs doesn't have an image to rehabilitate. Perception around the league right now is that he can immediately step in as HC and cause massive improvement. He could legitimately command one of the highest salaries league-wide if he wanted. Taking an assistant job can only hurt him from a financial and perceptive standpoint.

Gentry has had numerous head coaching stints where his teams underperformed and he barely lasted a couple seasons. Williams is largely seen as below-average, and not the type of coach you want on a team serious about winning. The market for Gentry in 2013 was unpalatable, and its very likely the market for Monty this summer was even worse. It's entirely possible Monty never even gets a shot to coach again (although Avery Johnson was given a second chance so who knows)

I do think Thibs can choose where he wants to coach for the most part but I don't think he has a clean bill.

His reputation as a coach who overworks his players not only got to Bulls management, but it got to the players as well. I know he told ORL he wasn't interested but I didn't hear about his thoughts on NOP. Some thought he and AD would've been a match made in heaven but the counterargument was that he'd run AD, who's already been injury-prone thus far, into the ground.

I think Thibs is a great coach. Heck, I'd want the Nets to move Hollins and bring in Thibs. At the same time, I think he does has some question marks and/or flaws that need to be addressed before he takes up his next gig.
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Post#964 » by PaulieWal » Wed Jun 3, 2015 11:59 pm

NyCeEvO wrote:I do think Thibs can choose where he wants to coach for the most part but I don't think he has a clean bill.

His reputation as a coach who overworks his players not only got to Bulls management, but it got to the players as well. I know he told ORL he wasn't interested but I didn't hear about his thoughts on NOP. Some thought he and AD would've been a match made in heaven but the counterargument was that he'd run AD, who's already been injury-prone thus far, into the ground.

I think Thibs is a great coach. Heck, I'd want the Nets to move Hollins and bring in Thibs. At the same time, I think he does has some question marks and/or flaws that need to be addressed before he takes up his next gig.


Fairly or unfairly Thibs perception in the league is still of a top-tier coach even after the exit from Chicago. Gentry and Williams are not on the same level as him.

Spaceman pointed it out. Monty Williams is generally regarded as a poor coach, Gentry has always been known for his offensive prowess but left much to be desired as a HC. Only now after the Warriors being this good he's getting another chance. The only way I see Thibs taking an Assistant job is if he a fails to get a HC job over the next couple of years but I think someone will give him another chance easily.
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Post#965 » by kingkirk » Thu Jun 4, 2015 12:17 am

Dr Spaceman wrote:Because Thibs doesn't have an image to rehabilitate. Perception around the league right now is that he can immediately step in as HC and cause massive improvement. He could legitimately command one of the highest salaries league-wide if he wanted. Taking an assistant job can only hurt him from a financial and perceptive standpoint.


I don't agree with this comment at all. The image of Thibodeau right now has certainly taken hit. He is being portrayed as a caveman in terms of his philosophies.

People are widely aware that he has flaws as a coach, of which they were clearly highlighted in the playoffs, and called out on it multiple times.

Would he still be employable? Absolutely. I don't think he is revered as he once was, though.
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Post#966 » by NyCeEvO » Thu Jun 4, 2015 12:31 am

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NyCeEvO wrote:I do think Thibs can choose where he wants to coach for the most part but I don't think he has a clean bill.

His reputation as a coach who overworks his players not only got to Bulls management, but it got to the players as well. I know he told ORL he wasn't interested but I didn't hear about his thoughts on NOP. Some thought he and AD would've been a match made in heaven but the counterargument was that he'd run AD, who's already been injury-prone thus far, into the ground.

I think Thibs is a great coach. Heck, I'd want the Nets to move Hollins and bring in Thibs. At the same time, I think he does has some question marks and/or flaws that need to be addressed before he takes up his next gig.


Fairly or unfairly Thibs perception in the league is still of a top-tier coach even after the exit from Chicago. Gentry and Williams are not on the same level as him.

Spaceman pointed it out. Monty Williams is generally regarded as a poor coach, Gentry has always been known for his offensive prowess but left much to be desired as a HC. Only now after the Warriors being this good he's getting another chance. The only way I see Thibs taking an Assistant job is if he a fails to get a HC job over the next couple of years but I think someone will give him another chance easily.

Again, I mostly agree with you but I just don't think it's a slam dunk no matter what.

And the way the coaching carousel has gone in the NBA, it seems like you at least need to be involved with the league in some capacity (e.g. color commentary, assistant coaching) in order to have your number called during every coaching search.

It may sound stupid but I don't think Van Gundy would get as many interviews for HC gigs if he was sitting at home and wasn't on TV.

Lionel Hollins did his year of NBA TV and used it as an excuse to say that his job forced him to pay attention to all of the league and he was able to notice the new trends of the NBA. It was really a cover to say "Let me pretend to like this analytics stuff so I can get brownie points in my interview."

Thibs is an excellent coach but I'd find it hard to believe that his next front office won't ask him about Chicago and what he's learned in his time off. In other words what stubborn things he got fired for that he will no longer do as the coach of his new team.

The fact that Thibs is viewed as the reason why Rose's knees and Noah's legs aren't good by a sizable minority of the Bulls fanbase is not a good look for him. You can't have the stigma of destroying the bodies of stars and superstars/MVPs on your resumé without cogently explaining how it was a strange coincidence and purely chance.
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Post#967 » by PaulieWal » Thu Jun 4, 2015 12:39 am

NyCeEvO wrote:Again, I mostly agree with you but I just don't think it's a slam dunk no matter what.

And the way the coaching carousel has gone in the NBA, it seems like you at least need to be involved with the league in some capacity (e.g. color commentary, assistant coaching) in order to have your number called during every coaching search.

It may sound stupid but I don't think Van Gundy would get as many interviews for HC gigs if he was sitting at home and wasn't on TV.

Lionel Hollins did his year of NBA TV and used it as an excuse to say that his job forced him to pay attention to all of the league and he was able to notice the new trends of the NBA. It was really a cover to say "Let me pretend to like this analytics stuff so I can get brownie points in my interview."

Thibs is an excellent coach but I'd find it hard to believe that his next front office won't ask him about Chicago and what he's learned in his time off. In other words what stubborn things he got fired for that he will no longer do as the coach of his new team.

The fact that Thibs is viewed as the reason why Rose's knees and Noah's legs aren't good by a sizable minority of the Bulls fanbase is not a good look for him. You can't have the stigma of destroying the bodies of stars and superstars/MVPs on your resumé without cogently explaining how it was a strange coincidence and purely chance.


There's no way you can blame Rose's knees on Thibs. I think you can make a reasonable case for running Noah/Deng into the ground but anyone trying to put Rose's knees on him has got to be crazy.

I do think Thibs will need to change but I think it's also clear the Bulls FO handled it very poorly and then orchestrated a smear campaign of sorts after he left. That press release was horrible.

IMO eventually he will get another gig and if he fails in that as well then the league might get turned off of him.
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Post#968 » by Texas Chuck » Thu Jun 4, 2015 12:53 am

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There's no way you can blame Rose's knees on Thibs. I think you can make a reasonable case for running Noah/Deng into the ground but anyone trying to put Rose's knees on him has got to be crazy.

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No, but a big part of Rose's attitude of not playing even when fully medically cleared and constant I'm gonna take care of me first statements might be at least in part a reaction to Thibs. I think most of it is on Rose, but it certainly couldn't have helped the situation.


Right now we know he's a great defensive coach. But he clearly isn't among the best at managing personalities both among his players and his organization. Add to that his willingness to sacrifice his player's well-being in the name of wins and I don't think he's nearly the hot coaching prospect he once was.

And while he spread the word he didn't want the Pelicans job---I can't believe that and its probably more likely his agent got the word that they weren't interested in him(no one reputable ever reported they were) and so he tried to make it look like he didn't want it anyway. I think he was afraid how it would look if he got no real interest from any of the teams wiht openings.

He'll get another job and it will be sooner rather than later, but I know I'd think really long and hard about whether or not he was worth it for my franchise.
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Post#969 » by PaulieWal » Thu Jun 4, 2015 12:59 am

Chuck Texas wrote:No, but a big part of Rose's attitude of not playing even when fully medically cleared and constant I'm gonna take care of me first statements might be at least in part a reaction to Thibs. I think most of it is on Rose, but it certainly couldn't have helped the situation.


I think this is just a whole bunch of speculation that Rose didn't wanna play because of Thibs.

I do agree with your premise that Thibs has his warts and did think he was a tad overrated when he was touted as a top 3-4 coach in the league and it's on him to show the rest of the league that he can evolve. All of that being said I think he will easily get at least one more opportunity.
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Post#970 » by bondom34 » Thu Jun 4, 2015 1:07 am

PaulieWal wrote:
Chuck Texas wrote:No, but a big part of Rose's attitude of not playing even when fully medically cleared and constant I'm gonna take care of me first statements might be at least in part a reaction to Thibs. I think most of it is on Rose, but it certainly couldn't have helped the situation.


I think this is just a whole bunch of speculation that Rose didn't wanna play because of Thibs.

I do agree with your premise that Thibs has his warts and did think he was a tad overrated when he was touted as a top 3-4 coach in the league and it's on him to show the rest of the league that he can evolve. All of that being said I think he will easily get at least one more opportunity.

I'm sure he gets a job somewhere too, but I am pretty sure Rose nearly had to call him out. If correct word was 3 starters were very against Thibs return. So 3 of Rose, Butler, Pau, Noah, and Dunleavy. I'd have to think Noah was one, and I have a hard time seeing Dunleavy being one. I also doubt Pau was as he just signed, so it almost had to be Rose and Butler, which says something. I was actually glad OKC didn't look at him for HC and I don't think I want him as an assistant right now either.
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Post#971 » by PaulieWal » Thu Jun 4, 2015 1:14 am

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Chuck Texas wrote:No, but a big part of Rose's attitude of not playing even when fully medically cleared and constant I'm gonna take care of me first statements might be at least in part a reaction to Thibs. I think most of it is on Rose, but it certainly couldn't have helped the situation.


I think this is just a whole bunch of speculation that Rose didn't wanna play because of Thibs.

I do agree with your premise that Thibs has his warts and did think he was a tad overrated when he was touted as a top 3-4 coach in the league and it's on him to show the rest of the league that he can evolve. All of that being said I think he will easily get at least one more opportunity.

I'm sure he gets a job somewhere too, but I am pretty sure Rose nearly had to call him out. If correct word was 3 starters were very against Thibs return. So 3 of Rose, Butler, Pau, Noah, and Dunleavy. I'd have to think Noah was one, and I have a hard time seeing Dunleavy being one. I also doubt Pau was as he just signed, so it almost had to be Rose and Butler, which says something. I was actually glad OKC didn't look at him for HC and I don't think I want him as an assistant right now either.


But that 3 starters situation is from the exit interviews in 2015, Rose's return drama was taking place in 2013 when the organization itself had perhaps wrongly leaked that he had been medically cleared to return.

For the record I am not a Thibs supporter or fan.

Zach Lowe also said something similar that speaking privately players were tired of him. With all of that he is going to get another chance but he will need to change for sure.
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Post#972 » by bondom34 » Fri Jun 5, 2015 12:58 am

So, don't know how many of you guys post/read reddit for NBA stuff, but 2 things of note:

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Simmons may team up w/ Jon Stewart, which means that somehow I may actually be forced to read some Simmons just to get Jon Stewart's stuff.

http://tktk.gawker.com/an-interesting-r ... 1709017542

2. Not realistic but crazy, how dominant would Shaq's stats be if he was a 90 percent FT shooter...

http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/38 ... he/crvexq8

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If you want to break it down in terms of context against other career stat lines...
Stat           Original   90% FT   Original Rank   New Rank
FT           5935           10127   #19                  #1 (Karl Malone 9787)
FT%          .527          .900            n/a                  #7
Points       28596   32788   #6                  #3
TS%          .586          .672           #63                  #1 (Artis Gilmore .643)
Win Shares 189.2   320.2   #10                  #1 (Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 273.4)
WS/48     .209        .354            #15                 #1 (Michael Jordan .250)
BPM        5.0         8.5          #21                  #2
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Post#973 » by penbeast0 » Fri Jun 5, 2015 1:08 am

He'd be the Most Dominant Ever (in reality!), at least offensively.
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Post#974 » by Texas Chuck » Fri Jun 5, 2015 4:10 am

Props to Cleveland for giving them all they wanted in game 1. But I'm afraid that was their best shot to steal one in Oakland and if Irving is hobbled further.....

Timofey was playing strong. Loved that the big men were in the game down the stretch after so much small ball this season. I like it when the big guys are in there.
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Post#975 » by Clyde Frazier » Fri Jun 5, 2015 4:22 am

Man they're basically showing kyrie holding back the tears in the locker room... this is sad stuff
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Post#976 » by bondom34 » Fri Jun 5, 2015 5:11 am

For a guy I was never a big fan of, I feel really terrible for the kid. He made a huge leap this year I didn't expect and gained a ton of respect in my book. Hope he gets back.

Also, I want to say how funny it is that in the OT thread we all still talk about basketball.
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Post#977 » by RSCD3_ » Fri Jun 5, 2015 12:50 pm

I ave a better shot at beoming president than the cavs do at a winning a single game.

I think they probably wont even win 4 quarters from now on.
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Post#978 » by penbeast0 » Fri Jun 5, 2015 1:28 pm

RSCD3_ wrote:I ave a better shot at beoming president than the cavs do at a winning a single game.

I think they probably wont even win 4 quarters from now on.


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Post#979 » by RSCD3_ » Fri Jun 5, 2015 3:11 pm

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RSCD3_ wrote:I ave a better shot at beoming president than the cavs do at a winning a single game.

I think they probably wont even win 4 quarters from now on.


Why Hilary, I didn't even know you were a basketball fan?


I'm actually Rick Barry, former governor of Texas.
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Post#980 » by Clyde Frazier » Fri Jun 5, 2015 3:18 pm

Just ended up on the NBA draft board for the first time... this thread is a fun read:

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