Pistons may not chase RFAs

[princeofpalace]

I found this nugget in Vince Ellis' Arn Tellum article

A person with firsthand knowledge of the Pistons' off-season plans said signing Green is not realistic because they expect the Warriors, playing in the NBA Finals and working for a new arena, to match any offer sheet. The person, not publicly authorized to discuss the team's plans, said that the Pistons do not want to tie up salary cap space for 72 hours – the time allotted the Warriors to match any offer – when more easily obtainable free agents might be available.

Sounds like D.Green is not likely, but also sounds like RFAs won't be targeted since Pistons don't want to tie up cap for 3 days. On Twitter, Ellis said that this was only applicable to Draymond Green though so who knows if SVG chases some RFAs that are more attainable. Id have to think that Harris and Middleton are out of the question though.

[Kilo]

To have a chance at a RFA you need to overpay to get them - you can't overpay Draymond right now(ie he's worth the max offer he can get), so you're not going to get him. You could overpay Toby Harris or Khris Middleton - but you better be right in your assessment that they'll eventually become the player to earn that contract. And who better than their current team to have a read on them - so if the current team is unwilling to match that should be telling - especially with the cap explosion next off-season meaning nobody should have tax worries.

[sc8581]

That 72 hour crap bothers me, teams have known their player is going to sign an offer sheet since they signed their previous deal, the duration of that contract is time to assess a players value, 24 hours is more than enough time.

[bstein14]

Pistons must have the knowledge that Green will get the contract matched by the warriors... which makes sense now that Arn T is on board with the Pistons... won't make sense to throw a Max offer at Draymond if Arn knows that GS is willing to give him the Max anyways.

[Snakebites]

The Warriors will not let Draymond Green walk.

Therefore, it is in the teams' best interest not to waste their time signing him to an offer sheet when he will never suit up in a Pistons uniform.

Him coming to Detroit is attractive to us for quite a few reasons, but its not happening.

[Kilo]

Only way Draymond ever got here was if he wanted to be here at all costs and signed the Warriors QO to be a UFA come next off-season when cap explodes. That doesn't seem likely, in as much as he loves hometown, he's happy in Bay Area with an elite team three games from a title.

[The Penguin]

LMA!

[Billl]

Just because the pistons wouldn't want to target Green doesn't mean they wouldn't target any RFA.

[Laimbeer]

Teams lie. We could say we'll match any offer for Reggie but that wouldn't prevent someone from signing him. If the Warriors don't sign Green as soon as they're able and there's even a hint of a quibble, I'd give him a max offer.

[joeposh]

I think the key here is chasing.

If we miss out on some of our FA targets and have solid intel that a coveted RFA wants us and their team isn't interested in ponying up, that's one thing, but we're not going to come out of the gate throwing offer sheets around because we may miss out on a chance to get a key piece on the open market or at least a deal on a serviceable talent that folks expected to demand more.

With the cap going up, this is just a common sense realization that signing RFA's to offer sheets isn't the conundrum for their existing squads that it once was. Most will be willing to pony up.

[dc]

That 72 hour crap bothers me

It used to be something like 10, believe it or not.

[dc]

Only way Draymond ever got here was if he wanted to be here at all costs and signed the Warriors QO to be a UFA come next off-season when cap explodes. That doesn't seem likely, in as much as he loves hometown, he's happy in Bay Area with an elite team three games from a title.

Green was a 2nd round pick who signed a straight 3 year deal. There is no QO for guys like these. Only applies to 1st round picks who get their 3rd/4th year options picked up.

[coordinator0]

Only way Draymond ever got here was if he wanted to be here at all costs and signed the Warriors QO to be a UFA come next off-season when cap explodes. That doesn't seem likely, in as much as he loves hometown, he's happy in Bay Area with an elite team three games from a title.

Green was a 2nd round pick who signed a straight 3 year deal. There is no QO for guys like these. Only applies to 1st round picks who get their 3rd/4th year options picked up.

That's not right.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q44

Restricted free agency exists only on a limited basis. It is allowed following the fourth year of rookie "scale" contracts for first round draft picks (see question number 49). It is also allowed for all veteran free agents who have been in the league three or fewer seasons. However, a first round draft pick becomes an unrestricted free agent following his second or third season if his team does not exercise its option to extend his rookie scale contract for the next season. All other free agency is limited to unrestricted free agency

There is a difference in how much the qualifying offer is worth in some cases, but Green definitely has one. A player can only be a restricted free agent if a qualifying offer is tendered.

[Kilo]

^So hypothetically how could he force his way to be a UFA? Sign a one year contract with the Pistons to see it matched by GS and then he'd be a UFA next off-season?

[Irate]

^So hypothetically how could he force his way to be a UFA? Sign a one year contract with the Pistons to see it matched by GS and then he'd be a UFA next off-season?

Offer sheets can not be for one year. They have to be for two years minimum.

The fastest way for Green to force himself out, assuming he wants to, is not sign any offer sheet and don't sign an extension from Golden State. Play out his qualifying offer like Monroe did this year and become unrestricted next summer.

[russkopp]

Yeah, Green isn't coming here. An NBA GM, when asked about Green's contract said, the Warriors second best player in the playoffs is getting the max, on the Warriors, one way or another. I agree.

That being said, if we hear about Tobias Harris for example, not being matched by Orlando and the rumors of him DYING to get to NY are false, throw the $$$ and see what happens.

[MotownMadness]

I got a feeling we're going after Danny Green as soon as FA starts.

[theBigLip]

Green isn't happening. Middleton? Maybe. Harris? Maybe.

But SVG doesn't seem like he needs to throw MAX money around like Dumars did. Stan probably feels like he can coach players "up", so he's probably looking for good values and a certain type of player.

[Pharaoh]

Middleton at near max or Danny Green for $10 mil per?

What's better for us?

With $20 mil in space we could get Aminu & Danny Green after drafting Winslow/Johnson/Portis...

Drum/Anthony
Tolliver/Aminu
Green/Aminu/Martin
KCP/Meeks
RJ/BJ/Dinwiddie

Throw in #8...

Drummond, Aminu, Green, KCP, RJ...probably enough spacing there to play that group together assuming development from KCP & RJ

Replace Aminu with Tolliver and there's plenty of spacing!

[MotownMadness]

Green isn't happening. Middleton? Maybe. Harris? Maybe.

But SVG doesn't seem like he needs to throw MAX money around like Dumars did. Stan probably feels like he can coach players "up", so he's probably looking for good values and a certain type of player.

Green sounds more realistic then both those guys. He's got plenty of playoff experience, 3&D wing, won't take a max contract and unlike those other two guys he's a UFA.