The #2 Pick

[dockingsched]

Take either big, as Randle is a closer to 6'7 than 6'9. So a big next to him would be a better fit. Clarkson and Russell would be very much the same. Plus paying JC under 1 million and and lottery pick will get over 3 to 4 million.

Towns looks to be sure fire #1. Why would Twolves take another PG, have they not learned over the years from pass lottery picks that went PG.

seeing as how Randle measured at 6"9", i don't see how he's closer to 6'7" than 6'9"

[john248]

Our drafted bigs were Divac who only become a true mainstay C in this league after leaving here, Elden who never fully developed

This is true to a degree on Elden,he was one of few NBA to improved his scoring average for like his first 7 seasons. Campbell's main problem was having Del Harris as a coach who never tap in on how to utilize Campbell's talent. Campbell had the natural ability to be a consistent 20 point score but was never molded into to by any of his coaches. I saw Elden play in high school seeing as his team was a cross town rival of my high school.

I rather go small easy because I think they are better players, but also because I think we develop those guys way better than we do bigs

They may be better players, but guards tend to struggle early on for a good chunk of an 82 game season before figuring it out. Lastly it's not about how we've developed players in terms of guards or bigs....that plays to two factors, luck in terms of the player and who the coaches are. I'd say we got Bynum from total project to All Star due to the tutelage of Jabbar and Phil. The only part where we failed is the background portion of figuring out what made Bynum tick. We did a piss poor job of that, because his problems were on the surface we just didn't dig deep enough into his psyche.

C'mon man. I realize you have some attachment to Campbell based on seeing him as a high school kid, but let's not get carried away especially when his career played out. IIRC he was a late 1st round pick which is nice but didn't scream 20 ppg coming out of Clemson. No need to blame all his coaches when he himself could've also gotten better.

[john248]

Take either big, as Randle is a closer to 6'7 than 6'9. So a big next to him would be a better fit. Clarkson and Russell would be very much the same. Plus paying JC under 1 million and and lottery pick will get over 3 to 4 million.

Towns looks to be sure fire #1. Why would Twolves take another PG, have they not learned over the years from pass lottery picks that went PG.

seeing as how Randle measured at 6"9", i don't see how he's closer to 6'7" than 6'9"

Yea, especially when he was measured at 6'8" (6'7.75") without shoes and players listed height are with shoes on. If people want to talk about his lack of a reach or mediocre wingspan, that's fine. But I haven't a clue where this 6'7" crap is coming from.

[moonpie]

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Russell must be the big name working out for us tomorrow

[dockingsched]

Seems like they're really trying to get a measure for the type of men these draftees are.

[iamworthy]

Russells Jump shot is legit. He looks slow though

[ArC_man]

We're gonna take all of these guys out for dinner?

[TyCobb]

Seems like they're really trying to get a measure for the type of men these draftees are.

I love it.

[Mirjalovic]

Yes, i guess they wanted to look at their manner, and what goes inside their head.

[moonpie]

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[LApwnd]

Phil is going to outsmart himself with our pick. I can see Mudiay falling to the Kings.

Maybe Phil jerks off the pick, but Mudiay won't fall to 6.

This means you're telling me the Knicks won't take him at 4 ? We know Philly is taking Russell at 3, and if Orlando passes on him then maybe he drops to 6th.

I know Phil is leaning towards a big for now, he liked Russell early on...but you guys need a lead PG, one with talent that won't relent to Melo's demand for the rock.

Winslow and WCS are the guys that are linked to us. Not sure what Phil will try to do here. If we are to believe his tweet about the importance of penetration, then Mudiay should be in play.

With the 4th pick nyk selects

[Slava]

Seems like they're really trying to get a measure for the type of men these draftees are.

I love it.

Happens every year I think. The Kings apparently passed on Rubio, as they thought he was too dependent because his mum cut his steak during the dinner.

[kblo247]

Seems like they're really trying to get a measure for the type of men these draftees are.

I love it.

Well considering some of their last picks are the likes of Caracter who is out the league for his character, Ebanks who was an alcoholic, and most notably Bynum who had all the talent in the world but so little **** to give about the sport


I support sitting down with them the night before and breaking bread. I support it even more when they do it on a game night where the action may be on a screen on a TV in the place they are and can get an idea of what a guy sees. A talk before a workout is nice but two encounters is better. They need to do this right. They need a guy with work ethic, mentality, body, and skill all being there. These top 4 probably are the squeakiest clean guys I've seen in years in terms of few detractors for outside stuff coming out about them. They should repeat the process for towns and Okafor. Then they should way the personality as well as the workout and ceiling. They shouldn't be set on any of the top 4 before going in because you never know what can happen at a different workout, as guys can get hurt by the most routine thing (embid) or you can find a structural flaw in their body (Randle). Least this way they will know what makes the 4 guys all the best possible pick. Hell I'd advocate bringing Mario in too to out him thru his paces as he is the fifth most talented guy, just has a very bad rep for being a bratty kid when things don't go his way

[kblo247]

Our drafted bigs were Divac who only become a true mainstay C in this league after leaving here, Elden who never fully developed

This is true to a degree on Elden,he was one of few NBA to improved his scoring average for like his first 7 seasons. Campbell's main problem was having Del Harris as a coach who never tap in on how to utilize Campbell's talent. Campbell had the natural ability to be a consistent 20 point score but was never molded into to by any of his coaches. I saw Elden play in high school seeing as his team was a cross town rival of my high school.

I rather go small easy because I think they are better players, but also because I think we develop those guys way better than we do bigs

They may be better players, but guards tend to struggle early on for a good chunk of an 82 game season before figuring it out. Lastly it's not about how we've developed players in terms of guards or bigs....that plays to two factors, luck in terms of the player and who the coaches are. I'd say we got Bynum from total project to All Star due to the tutelage of Jabbar and Phil. The only part where we failed is the background portion of figuring out what made Bynum tick. We did a piss poor job of that, because his problems were on the surface we just didn't dig deep enough into his psyche.

C'mon man. I realize you have some attachment to Campbell based on seeing him as a high school kid, but let's not get carried away especially when his career played out. IIRC he was a late 1st round pick which is nice but didn't scream 20 ppg coming out of Clemson. No need to blame all his coaches when he himself could've also gotten better.

To deeps credit, Elden put up numbers without Shaq. It was the way Harris tried to make him a 4 next to Shaq that saw him struggle to all hell and be a throw in with Eddie. Harris didn't even see the benefit of playing Kobe and Eddie together for god knows what reason.

Boy if Phil ever had Nick, Kobe, Eddie, Elden, Shaq, Fish, Fox, and Horry like Harris did

[TyCobb]

Seems like they're really trying to get a measure for the type of men these draftees are.

I love it.

Happens every year I think. The Kings apparently passed on Rubio, as they thought he was too dependent because his mum cut his steak during the dinner.

Sounds like he got his assisting attributes from his mama.

[john248]

This is true to a degree on Elden,he was one of few NBA to improved his scoring average for like his first 7 seasons. Campbell's main problem was having Del Harris as a coach who never tap in on how to utilize Campbell's talent. Campbell had the natural ability to be a consistent 20 point score but was never molded into to by any of his coaches. I saw Elden play in high school seeing as his team was a cross town rival of my high school.

They may be better players, but guards tend to struggle early on for a good chunk of an 82 game season before figuring it out. Lastly it's not about how we've developed players in terms of guards or bigs....that plays to two factors, luck in terms of the player and who the coaches are. I'd say we got Bynum from total project to All Star due to the tutelage of Jabbar and Phil. The only part where we failed is the background portion of figuring out what made Bynum tick. We did a piss poor job of that, because his problems were on the surface we just didn't dig deep enough into his psyche.

C'mon man. I realize you have some attachment to Campbell based on seeing him as a high school kid, but let's not get carried away especially when his career played out. IIRC he was a late 1st round pick which is nice but didn't scream 20 ppg coming out of Clemson. No need to blame all his coaches when he himself could've also gotten better.

To deeps credit, Elden put up numbers without Shaq. It was the way Harris tried to make him a 4 next to Shaq that saw him struggle to all hell and be a throw in with Eddie. Harris didn't even see the benefit of playing Kobe and Eddie together for god knows what reason.

Boy if Phil ever had Nick, Kobe, Eddie, Elden, Shaq, Fish, Fox, and Horry like Harris did

I was actually happy when Jones and Campbell were traded for Glen Rice. It was too bad Rice was such a selfish, complaining prick who didn't know how good he had it with the Lakers. Still though, even with him half-assing it, he was more effective than what Campbell would've been. Then again, you could argue that at least Jones would've still been on the team.

Phil would've never played Campbell next to Shaq for the same reasons why he favored Kukoc more than Rodman come playoff time...to not clog the paint. Campbell was expendable which obviously Jerry West knew when he made that trade for Rice while bringing in Phil the following season. Campbell's offense was ok but not anything special. Even if he had the drive to be great, I don't see him as a 20 ppg guy unless you just force feed the ball to him, so I don't see development as the problem here. What did you project Campbell as or could've been? Someone like prime Duncan or last year's Greg Monroe?

In the end, who cares if Phil had the same roster that Harris did since the Lakers 3 peated as soon as he got here.

Anyways back to the topic on hand. I'm starting to waiver on Okafor. He'd have to be really impressive during his interviews and tell ownership that he's willing to commit to hustling on every play...especially getting back on defense and not being lazy when a play isn't called for him.

[kblo247]

14 and 8 type player meaning we have someone when shaq misses his fourth of all games every year and wouldn't overload Horry. It would have basically been giving us what Horace gave us for all those years instead of the Green, Horace, Samaki, Slava, etc experiment

[DEEP3CL]

@john248...Understand that I said he had the natural ability to be a 20 points scorer. This means he had the body type,footwork,could hold his post position easily, was a more than decent free throw shooter....all these elements play into that.
It's not about me having some attachment to him just because I saw him in high school. Hell the center for my high school team use to muder Campbell on a regular basis when they matched up because he was a bigger guy than Campbell. You just never heard of him because he was the classic academic failure who didn't make it.

Hell Elden wasn't even a 20 point scorer in college because he played with NBA ready guys such as Horace Grant at Clemson.

Weather you like it or not you have to be utilized properly by your coaches and Harris was a bad coach for Campbell because as kblo247 pointed out, it how he used him. Harris basically wanted Campbell to be a scraps guy.

[ALL HAIL]

@john248...Understand that I said he had the natural ability to be a 20 points scorer. This means he had the body type,footwork,could hold his post position easily, was a more than decent free throw shooter....all these elements play into that.
It's not about me having some attachment to him just because I saw him in high school. Hell the center for my high school team use to muder Campbell on a regular basis when they matched up because he was a bigger guy than Campbell. You just never heard of him because he was the classic academic failure who didn't make it.

Hell Elden wasn't even a 20 point scorer in college because he played with NBA ready guys such as Horace Grant at Clemson.

Weather you like it or not you have to be utilized properly by your coaches and Harris was a bad coach for Campbell because as kblo247 pointed out, it how he used him. Harris basically wanted Campbell to be a scraps guy.

Elden Campbell played with Dale Davis DEEP.

Also, Campbell played very well under Dell Harris. He was only misused when Shaq came.

[Kilroy]

Russells Jump shot is legit. He looks slow though

Marcus Smart 2.0?