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Re: Your predictions and discussion for the NBA Finals and other team news 

Post#1161 » by RunDogGun » Mon Jun 8, 2015 1:45 pm

Frank Lee wrote:This is becoming a battle of styles/philosophies as well. GS lets this one slip away, it will be a coffin nail for jump shooting teams. They sure get away with a lot on D (and O) BTW. There RDog.... that was for you.


Our Nash teams always play to their strengths, which was Nash. I like what Griffin said.... run the legs out from under the other team. It was the most enjoyable 5 yrs of basketball I have witnessed. No Ring will always be the rebuttal, but in my mind the Black Hand of F-n Fate took away least 2 opportunities to be in the finals. We got Fannucci-ed.

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During the D'Antoni years, it seemed quite clear that our goal was not to foul. It slowed the game down, and often when the other team may be celebrating, we'd already be down the court scoring. The bad part of this was often a ref could slow the game down, and this was out of our control. Moreover, we were often perceived as less aggressive on defense, and sometimes refs allow aggressive teams to continue playing that way.

I'm not sure what Gentry is talking about other than Kerr trading away of best defenders, before Gentry became head coach. I really hope he wasn't saying that he himself did a poor job coaching defense. :wink:

As for our above average defenders, Diaw was, so was KT, James Jones, and Banks. And if anyone doesn't list Hill as an above average defender, than I think a caning might be in order. Shaquille was a decent defender. I know many think Nash was terrible, but to anticipate so many player's moves and take the charge, is often overlooked because it's not listed in the stats. Nash's biggest weakness was lagging off his man to help, and his limited lateral movements. I think if had had KG in the middle, Nash would have gone over more screens instead of under them, and lagged less off his man knowing there was a competent defender watching the paint. During the Gentry years both Dudley and Lou were good defenders.

The Suns main issues were we had Amare at center, and he was not a good defender. I think he still turns his head on shots before boxing his man out. It probably comes from relying so much on his athleticism and never taking the time to learn position.

We had good to great chances to get to the finals. Some bad luck, some poor adjustments, some unfortunate calls, and sometimes just facing a prepared opponent, did us in.
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Re: Your predictions and discussion for the NBA Finals and other team news 

Post#1162 » by RunDogGun » Mon Jun 8, 2015 1:56 pm

As for these finals, still way too much fouling in crunch time, and mainly on one end. Both games shouldn't have gone into OT, and the Cavs should be up two.

There are players I really dislike on both teams. But there are players I do like, like James Jones, Livingston, and LB. I was really impressed with how hard Jones played, even at an older age. And Livingston's determination is a joy to watch. I would list Iggy if he didn't flop so much. :-) Green and Smith are my least favorite players in the league.

Now with the Cavs being so short handed, I guess I'm rooting for them.
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Post#1163 » by letsgosuns » Tue Jun 9, 2015 6:20 pm

Andrew Bogut just dissed Kevin Love pretty badly.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... t-Shooting

Saying that James Jones provides the same impact that Kevin Love does is ridiculous. Maybe Bogut should try averaging more than 6 points a game before he opens his mouth criticizing other players. Bogut might be the worst offensive center I have ever seen. He routinely passes the ball away even when he is right under the hoop. It is like he is afraid to shoot the ball. He makes Steven Hunter's offensive game look like Shaq's. No idea why he would want to say something like that now during the finals for two reasons. First is because it is a cheap shot at Love when Love is not even available to play to be able to prove him wrong. Secondly, it provides even more locker room material to further motivate the Cavaliers for absolutely no reason. It was a pointless thing for Bogut to say.
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Post#1164 » by RunDogGun » Tue Jun 9, 2015 7:42 pm

I know, Jones's defense is so much better than Love. ;-)
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Post#1165 » by Damkac » Tue Jun 9, 2015 8:00 pm

Looks like not only Suns players are saying stupid things :P
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Post#1166 » by thamadkant » Tue Jun 9, 2015 11:11 pm

Cavs rely on James to have a monster game and Curry/Thompson to shoot sub 35% to have a chance...

This series reminds me of the Grizzlies series, when the Grizzlies made the Warriors shoot bad from the arc, they dictated enough and won. But when the Warriors are shooting "average" from the arc... Grizzlies didnt have enough fire power to keep up.

Cavs DO NOT have enough fire power, nope, not without Irving and Love.... they simply must rely on historically good defence OR good defence + atrocious shooting night from Warriors to have a chance.
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Post#1167 » by RaisingArizona » Tue Jun 9, 2015 11:17 pm

Like I said, Cavs in 6.
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Post#1168 » by saintEscaton » Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:09 am

If LBJ goes Greg Jennings mode for the remainder of this series and puts the team on his back doe he will soldidify his Tier 1 GOAT status imo
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Re: Your predictions and discussion for the NBA Finals and other team news 

Post#1169 » by Cutter » Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:49 am

ginobiliflops wrote:Like I said, Cavs in 6.

Haha! I voted Cavs in 6 also. I wondered who the other poster was.
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Post#1170 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:52 am

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ginobiliflops wrote:Like I said, Cavs in 6.

Haha! I voted Cavs in 6 also. I wondered who the other poster was.


I'm kind of suddenly pulling for the Cavs, and I thought I'd definitely be pulling for the Warriors. It's crazy thinking now how good the Cavs will actually be next year if they have a healthy Love and Kyrie. They could possibly win 70 if healthy.
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Post#1171 » by SunsRback4Good » Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:53 am

ginobiliflops wrote:Like I said, Cavs in 6.


Ryan, are you a lifelong cavs fan?
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Post#1172 » by SunsRback4Good » Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:55 am

bwgood77 wrote:
Cutter wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:Like I said, Cavs in 6.

Haha! I voted Cavs in 6 also. I wondered who the other poster was.


I'm kind of suddenly pulling for the Cavs, and I thought I'd definitely be pulling for the Warriors. It's crazy thinking now how good the Cavs will actually be next year if they have a healthy Love and Kyrie. They could possibly win 70 if healthy.


No team will ever win 70 games unlike that 96 Bulls team. Warriors had a monster season and yet missed out 3 games on reaching 70.
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Re: Your predictions and discussion for the NBA Finals and other team news 

Post#1173 » by letsgosuns » Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:01 am

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Cutter wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:Like I said, Cavs in 6.

Haha! I voted Cavs in 6 also. I wondered who the other poster was.


I'm kind of suddenly pulling for the Cavs, and I thought I'd definitely be pulling for the Warriors. It's crazy thinking now how good the Cavs will actually be next year if they have a healthy Love and Kyrie. They could possibly win 70 if healthy.


I think if they were 100% engaged every game like Jordan's 1996 Bulls were, they would have a chance to be a 70 win team. However, based on Love's and Irving's injury history, coupled with Lebron getting periodic rest, I do not see them putting together a season like 70 wins because of those factors. Definitely a 60 win team but 70 is so hard to do in this league. Only been done one time in history. And even though Lebron is amazing, I still consider Jordan so far and above him and everyone else it is not even close for me.
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Re: Your predictions and discussion for the NBA Finals and other team news 

Post#1174 » by Cutter » Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:09 am

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Cutter wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:Like I said, Cavs in 6.

Haha! I voted Cavs in 6 also. I wondered who the other poster was.


I'm kind of suddenly pulling for the Cavs, and I thought I'd definitely be pulling for the Warriors. It's crazy thinking now how good the Cavs will actually be next year if they have a healthy Love and Kyrie. They could possibly win 70 if healthy.

Im a Suns fan through and through, but for some reason I'm pulling on for LeBron to get ring number three. Outside of the fiasco that was "The Decision" (which I thought was douchey of LeBron), I think he seems to be a pretty decent person. He seems family oriented and doesn't come across as an A-Hole like so many superstars (I'm looking at you Kobe).

So if the Suns can't win any of the next 5 championships, I don't mind LeBron winning them. :)
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Post#1175 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:20 am

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Cutter wrote:Haha! I voted Cavs in 6 also. I wondered who the other poster was.


I'm kind of suddenly pulling for the Cavs, and I thought I'd definitely be pulling for the Warriors. It's crazy thinking now how good the Cavs will actually be next year if they have a healthy Love and Kyrie. They could possibly win 70 if healthy.


No team will ever win 70 games unlike that 96 Bulls team. Warriors had a monster season and yet missed out 3 games on reaching 70.


This Warriors team played in one of the toughest western conferences ever, and won 67 games. Cleveland, without 2 top 10 or so players, are basically matching them on the court...two OT games IN Golden State. So far, you'd almost have to give the edge to Cleveland since the home team allowed both games to go into OT and split them.

Add to that the fact that the eastern conference isn't nearly as tough as the western conference, I don't see how you don't think it is possible that a team without two stars (one in one of the games), playing a 67 win team on the home court to a draw in regulation twice, doesn't have that chance.
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Post#1176 » by SunsRback4Good » Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:21 am

Barbosa, iguodala and gentry deserve a championship they've been in the league long enough while Lebron has already two and Cavs WI be a force for the next 4-5 years in the east. Same can be said for GS but with gentry leaving and Barbosa close to retiring would be nice seeing them win this year.
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Post#1177 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:22 am

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Cutter wrote:Haha! I voted Cavs in 6 also. I wondered who the other poster was.


I'm kind of suddenly pulling for the Cavs, and I thought I'd definitely be pulling for the Warriors. It's crazy thinking now how good the Cavs will actually be next year if they have a healthy Love and Kyrie. They could possibly win 70 if healthy.


I think if they were 100% engaged every game like Jordan's 1996 Bulls were, they would have a chance to be a 70 win team. However, based on Love's and Irving's injury history, coupled with Lebron getting periodic rest, I do not see them putting together a season like 70 wins because of those factors. Definitely a 60 win team but 70 is so hard to do in this league. Only been done one time in history. And even though Lebron is amazing, I still consider Jordan so far and above him and everyone else it is not even close for me.


The complete book on LeBron hasn't been written. But Jordan never had to carry a team without his other two best players...I don't think he ever gets there without Pippen and Grant or Rodman.
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Post#1178 » by DRK » Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:25 am

I wanted GS to win, but LeBron this finals has absolutely won my respect. Jumping on the Cavs' bandwagon almost. LeBron is playing some of the best basketball I've ever seen from anyone. He's doing everything on the court.
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Post#1179 » by letsgosuns » Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:13 am

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bwgood77 wrote:
I'm kind of suddenly pulling for the Cavs, and I thought I'd definitely be pulling for the Warriors. It's crazy thinking now how good the Cavs will actually be next year if they have a healthy Love and Kyrie. They could possibly win 70 if healthy.


I think if they were 100% engaged every game like Jordan's 1996 Bulls were, they would have a chance to be a 70 win team. However, based on Love's and Irving's injury history, coupled with Lebron getting periodic rest, I do not see them putting together a season like 70 wins because of those factors. Definitely a 60 win team but 70 is so hard to do in this league. Only been done one time in history. And even though Lebron is amazing, I still consider Jordan so far and above him and everyone else it is not even close for me.


The complete book on LeBron hasn't been written. But Jordan never had to carry a team without his other two best players...I don't think he ever gets there without Pippen and Grant or Rodman.


The difference for me is that I believe Jordan dominated during what I consider the golden age of basketball in the 80's through 90's. Totally different rules, way more physical, and far better players than what exist today. So much better. If I remember correctly, during Hornacek's interview on Gambo's show recently, he said Jordan would average 45 points a game if he played today and that he easily would get this current Cavs team to the finals. And Hornacek would know obviously. I also remember watching an interview with Charles Barkley a long time ago where he specifically said Jordan was the only player he played against where he said he is so much better than everyone else that it is not fair. No matter what Lebron does for the rest of his career, he will most likely never compete against the same quality of basketball teams that Jordan went up against. And Jordan was six for six in the finals. Lebron has not been close to that.
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Post#1180 » by kennydorglas » Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:23 am

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