Detroit Pistons 2015-2016 Projected Cap Space

[Smitty731]

Updated 4/22 - signed Lorenzo Brown.

Current Cap Space: None. $6,626,731.00 over
Maximum Cap Space: None. $6,626,731.00 over (if all options/guarantees were not picked up, all FAs renounced, no Draft Picks were to be signed this season, and all Exceptions were renounced)
Luxury Tax Space: $8,113,269.00
Tax Apron Space: $12,113,269.00
2016-2017 Maximum Cap Space: $24,748,702.00

How I got there:

Guaranteed Contracts (14): Joel Anthony, Aron Baynes, Steve Blake, Reggie Bullock, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Spencer Dinwiddie, Andre Drummond, Tobias Harris, Darrun Hilliard II, Reggie Jackson, Stanley Johnson, Jodie Meeks, Marcus Morris, Anthony Tolliver

Partial/Non-Guaranteed Contracts Kept (0): None

Free Agents (0): None

First Round Draft Pick Holds (0): None

Carried Money (8): $55,722.00 (Lorenzo Brown), $2,170,465.00 (Danny Granger), $452,049 (Aaron Gray) $49,709.00 (Justin Harper 1), $49,709.00 (Justin Harper 2), $1,270,964.00 (Cartier Martin), $5,400,000.00 (Josh Smith), $60,000.00 (Adonis Thomas)

Unsigned Second Round Picks (0): None

Exceptions: Room Exception at $2,814,000.00. No Bi-Annual Exception due to being under the Cap. No TPEs

[The Penguin]

1) Just being nitpicky, but Josh Smith wasn't a max contract (but he did get paid too much and was a bad deal).

2) I believe there should be a set-off from Josh Smith's future deal (1/2 his new salary - vet min number = setoff, deducted from Pistons number) though I'm not sure if that's cap dollars or if it's purely physical dollars paid.

[Smitty731]

1) Just being nitpicky, but Josh Smith wasn't a max contract (but he did get paid too much and was a bad deal).

2) I believe there should be a set-off from Josh Smith's future deal (1/2 his new salary - vet min number = setoff, deducted from Pistons number) though I'm not sure if that's cap dollars or if it's purely physical dollars paid.

Yeah you are right on Smith. Bad phrasing on my part with that one!

Set-Off is only applied at the end of the season. You need to know the exact amount to deduct, so it is an end of season tally. Which doesn't help at all for Cap purposes, but can have an impact on the Luxury Tax.

[Laimbeer]

Assuming he's walking, what value does keeping Monroe's rights have? How is it leverage and what can Detroit expect to extract from it?

[Smitty731]

Assuming he's walking, what value does keeping Monroe's rights have? How is it leverage and what can Detroit expect to extract from it?

I think they keep them just in case. Maybe the offers don't materialize outside and the Pistons seem more attractive. Unlikely I know.

It also opens the chance for a S&T. While S&Ts aren't as common since the player has no real incentive, they do still happen. They could generate a large TPE or get a piece(s) that doesn't fit on the new team.

[roc]

I would not be surprised to see Butler and Williams let go and Anthony possibly retained.

[Laimbeer]

Assuming he's walking, what value does keeping Monroe's rights have? How is it leverage and what can Detroit expect to extract from it?

I think they keep them just in case. Maybe the offers don't materialize outside and the Pistons seem more attractive. Unlikely I know.

It also opens the chance for a S&T. While S&Ts aren't as common since the player has no real incentive, they do still happen. They could generate a large TPE or get a piece(s) that doesn't fit on the new team.

There is no advantage in terms of Monroe being able to get more money or years?

[Notanoob]

Assuming he's walking, what value does keeping Monroe's rights have? How is it leverage and what can Detroit expect to extract from it?

I think they keep them just in case. Maybe the offers don't materialize outside and the Pistons seem more attractive. Unlikely I know.

It also opens the chance for a S&T. While S&Ts aren't as common since the player has no real incentive, they do still happen. They could generate a large TPE or get a piece(s) that doesn't fit on the new team.

There is no advantage in terms of Monroe being able to get more money or years?

Not any more. The league did away with that in the new CBA following the Carmelo to New York where he gutted the Knicks for the extra money.

[The Penguin]

I think they keep them just in case. Maybe the offers don't materialize outside and the Pistons seem more attractive. Unlikely I know.

It also opens the chance for a S&T. While S&Ts aren't as common since the player has no real incentive, they do still happen. They could generate a large TPE or get a piece(s) that doesn't fit on the new team.

There is no advantage in terms of Monroe being able to get more money or years?

Not any more. The league did away with that in the new CBA following the Carmelo to New York where he gutted the Knicks for the extra money.

I'm pretty certain the Pistons can offer him an extra year (5 over 4) and bigger raises. Not that Stan would really be interested in that.

The TPE would likely be the biggest advantage to him going out in a S&T, and that messes with the Piston's cap space. The truth of the matter is there's no reason not to keep his rights unless they land an unlikely big target like Millsap or LMA and need the space.

[coordinator0]

Assuming he's walking, what value does keeping Monroe's rights have? How is it leverage and what can Detroit expect to extract from it?

I think they keep them just in case. Maybe the offers don't materialize outside and the Pistons seem more attractive. Unlikely I know.

It also opens the chance for a S&T. While S&Ts aren't as common since the player has no real incentive, they do still happen. They could generate a large TPE or get a piece(s) that doesn't fit on the new team.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q91

Sign-and-trades can be done with a free agent who has been renounced, so that's not a factor. Regardless I expect that situation to be resolved fairly quickly. Detroit will know if they're in the running or not and will make a decision on what to do with his rights. For what it's worth I think it's more likely they do renounce him and look to make a move in free agency instead of sitting on that potential cap space. All we've heard is that Van Gundy and the rest of the organization wants to win now.

[Smitty731]

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q91

Sign-and-trades can be done with a free agent who has been renounced, so that's not a factor. Regardless I expect that situation to be resolved fairly quickly. Detroit will know if they're in the running or not and will make a decision on what to do with his rights. For what it's worth I think it's more likely they do renounce him and look to make a move in free agency instead of sitting on that potential cap space. All we've heard is that Van Gundy and the rest of the organization wants to win now.

Except that once a player is renounced, he can longer be signed using Bird rights, so his salary would not be as high as it could be in most cases. In the case of the Pistons, they would then have Cap space larger than Monroe's individual Max contract number, so he could be renounced, signed using Cap space to a Max deal and then traded.

But in most cases, once a guy is renounced he could not get the full value he could, since the team would lose his Bird rights.

[Kilo]

Shawne Williams surely will not be kept. And I suspect Caron Butler will have to re-work his deal if he wants to be here as his leadership/Stan Whisperer value plummets now with the team going into it's second season with Stan. As a purely on-court output salary he's probably a vet's minimum guy now for any other team in the league, so he can chase a ring catching on with a legit contender or I think we could see Butler's team option declined with the idea of re-signing him to a 2 yr 6M deal or something along those lines.

So subtract Shawne Williams and $1.5M of the Butler deal and we're looking at what close to $14M in cap space - which seems about what would be our big splash offer to a FA. Either we draft a SF and try to sign a PF or draft a PF and try and sign a SF sorta deal with that money.

Jackson|Jennings|Dinwiddie
Caldwell-Pope|Meeks|Martin
???|Butler
???|Tolliver|Miller
Drummond|???

[coordinator0]

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q91

Sign-and-trades can be done with a free agent who has been renounced, so that's not a factor. Regardless I expect that situation to be resolved fairly quickly. Detroit will know if they're in the running or not and will make a decision on what to do with his rights. For what it's worth I think it's more likely they do renounce him and look to make a move in free agency instead of sitting on that potential cap space. All we've heard is that Van Gundy and the rest of the organization wants to win now.

Except that once a player is renounced, he can longer be signed using Bird rights, so his salary would not be as high as it could be in most cases. In the case of the Pistons, they would then have Cap space larger than Monroe's individual Max contract number, so he could be renounced, signed using Cap space to a Max deal and then traded.

But in most cases, once a guy is renounced he could not get the full value he could, since the team would lose his Bird rights.

True, but that doesn't really affect what the Pistons want to do if they believe Monroe is gone. Like I said before they want to win and if renouncing Monroe is what it takes to get them enough cap room to make a move early in free agency then I have no doubt that's what will happen.

[Smitty731]

Updated OP on 6/12 with trade with Milwaukee.

[Laimbeer]

Well everyone here was saying Butler and Williams were on the way out....you guys are psychic...