76ers will become dynasty in 10 years

[mateo82]

Would be nice to find these posters. They keep getting brought up, yet never seem to be anywhere to quote when they are. I'm sure if you look really hard you might find 1, maybe even 2, tracking in at what 3% of Sixers posters? 2%? But I would be shocked if you could find more than that, and it isn't just an absolutely absurd strawman that people trot out and expect to have it treated seriously despite no basis.

"These posters" are anyone who refers to what the 76ers are doing as a "plan" or "strategy". Praying you win the powerball is not a plan.

Thats just incredible dumb. I'm sorry if you cannot figure out the difference between having a plan and saying a plan is guaranteed to work. Frankly, that is just idiotic.

Do you go through life with no plan, as nothing is 100% guaranteed?

If you can't tell the difference between a plan (going to dental school) vs a prayer (playing the slot machines every night, I don't know what to tell you.

[HartfordWhalers]

"These posters" are anyone who refers to what the 76ers are doing as a "plan" or "strategy". Praying you win the powerball is not a plan.

Thats just incredible dumb. I'm sorry if you cannot figure out the difference between having a plan and saying a plan is guaranteed to work. Frankly, that is just idiotic.

Do you go through life with no plan, as nothing is 100% guaranteed?

If you can't tell the difference between a plan (going to dental school) vs a prayer (playing the slot machines every night, I don't know what to tell you.

I feel pretty comfortable saying I can, while at this point, I'm equally convinced that figuring that out is something you cannot for whatever reason.

So far the Sixers have positioned themselves for 2 top 3 picks based upon their record, and added 6 firsts in trades in the last 2 years -- Lakers, Miami, OKC Pilly future picks as well as Noel and Saric. Along with all the minor things on the margin (covington, 10 2nds etc).

There is a very visible framework for what they are doing and for increasing the chances of something. Instead, you are making blanket statements assuming that all those things don't increase the chances and therefore its just praying? Laughable simplistic and ignorant. Are all probabilities inherently the same in your life?

And then you decide to accuse everyone who can look at a probability and see when it increase in chance as assuming its 100%? Again, it is so absurd of a comment I'm thinking you aren't serious.

If you personally cannot deal with probabilities and that not all probabilities are the same, don't go accusing everyone else of saying an uncertain event -- one that they are saying is uncertain -- is 100% likely to happen.

[mateo82]

Thats just incredible dumb. I'm sorry if you cannot figure out the difference between having a plan and saying a plan is guaranteed to work. Frankly, that is just idiotic.

Do you go through life with no plan, as nothing is 100% guaranteed?

If you can't tell the difference between a plan (going to dental school) vs a prayer (playing the slot machines every night, I don't know what to tell you.

I feel pretty comfortable saying I can, while at this point, I'm equally convinced that figuring that out is something you cannot for whatever reason.

So far the Sixers have positioned themselves for 2 top 3 picks based upon their record, and added 6 firsts in trades in the last 2 years -- Lakers, Miami, OKC Pilly future picks as well as Noel and Saric. Along with all the minor things on the margin (covington, 10 2nds etc).

There is a very visible framework for what they are doing and for increasing the chances of something. Instead, you are making blanket statements assuming that all those things don't increase the chances and therefore its just praying? Laughable simplistic and ignorant. Are all probabilities inherently the same in your life?

And then you decide to accuse everyone who can look at a probability and see when it increase in chance as assuming its 100%? Again, it is so absurd of a comment I'm thinking you aren't serious.

If you personally cannot deal with probabilities and that not all probabilities are the same, don't go accusing everyone else of saying an uncertain event -- one that they are saying is uncertain -- is 100% likely to happen.

So if you buy 10 lottery tickets instead of just 1 it's suddenly a "plan"? Sorry, not buying it.

[Spanish_Laker]

And the FC Barcelona Hispanos will become another dynasty in 25 years.

[HartfordWhalers]

If you can't tell the difference between a plan (going to dental school) vs a prayer (playing the slot machines every night, I don't know what to tell you.

I feel pretty comfortable saying I can, while at this point, I'm equally convinced that figuring that out is something you cannot for whatever reason.

So far the Sixers have positioned themselves for 2 top 3 picks based upon their record, and added 6 firsts in trades in the last 2 years -- Lakers, Miami, OKC Pilly future picks as well as Noel and Saric. Along with all the minor things on the margin (covington, 10 2nds etc).

There is a very visible framework for what they are doing and for increasing the chances of something. Instead, you are making blanket statements assuming that all those things don't increase the chances and therefore its just praying? Laughable simplistic and ignorant. Are all probabilities inherently the same in your life?

And then you decide to accuse everyone who can look at a probability and see when it increase in chance as assuming its 100%? Again, it is so absurd of a comment I'm thinking you aren't serious.

If you personally cannot deal with probabilities and that not all probabilities are the same, don't go accusing everyone else of saying an uncertain event -- one that they are saying is uncertain -- is 100% likely to happen.

So if you buy 10 lottery tickets instead of just 1 it's suddenly a "plan"? Sorry, not buying it.

Option 1: Have a 3% chance of success
Option 2: Have a 30% chance of success

Yeah, I take option 2 and feel pretty good about having 10 times the chances of achieving my goal. And considering all the moves required to go from 3 to 30%, it is obviously not as simple as just praying.

Sixers have put themselves in position to have a massively greater chance of drafting a superstar than if they sat around on their ass saying all odds are the same because they are intellectually deficient.
Sixers have also positioned themselves to have the means to acquire a superstar through trade of free agency, far more than previously and staying the course.

They haven't guaranteed anything, and they and their fans have been honest about that.

It would be great if their critics could actually be intellectually honest instead of spouting such superficial imaginary bull like: "Its all just praying" or "By saying its a plan you think its 100% going to work". Those comments are dumb.

[JDizzel3000]

If you can't tell the difference between a plan (going to dental school) vs a prayer (playing the slot machines every night, I don't know what to tell you.

I feel pretty comfortable saying I can, while at this point, I'm equally convinced that figuring that out is something you cannot for whatever reason.

So far the Sixers have positioned themselves for 2 top 3 picks based upon their record, and added 6 firsts in trades in the last 2 years -- Lakers, Miami, OKC Pilly future picks as well as Noel and Saric. Along with all the minor things on the margin (covington, 10 2nds etc).

There is a very visible framework for what they are doing and for increasing the chances of something. Instead, you are making blanket statements assuming that all those things don't increase the chances and therefore its just praying? Laughable simplistic and ignorant. Are all probabilities inherently the same in your life?

And then you decide to accuse everyone who can look at a probability and see when it increase in chance as assuming its 100%? Again, it is so absurd of a comment I'm thinking you aren't serious.

If you personally cannot deal with probabilities and that not all probabilities are the same, don't go accusing everyone else of saying an uncertain event -- one that they are saying is uncertain -- is 100% likely to happen.

So if you buy 10 lottery tickets instead of just 1 it's suddenly a "plan"? Sorry, not buying it.

These arn't "lottery tickets" thats a terrible analogy ... these are prospects that have been evaluated combed over and projected by some of these best in the business ... this isn't some dice game if your good at talent evaluation you will have success in the draft ... and if you have success in the draft you'll have success on the court ... we've seen it time and time and time and time again ...

[raptorstime]

philly utah and minny will be the top teams in 5 or so years congrats

[mateo82]

I feel pretty comfortable saying I can, while at this point, I'm equally convinced that figuring that out is something you cannot for whatever reason.

So far the Sixers have positioned themselves for 2 top 3 picks based upon their record, and added 6 firsts in trades in the last 2 years -- Lakers, Miami, OKC Pilly future picks as well as Noel and Saric. Along with all the minor things on the margin (covington, 10 2nds etc).

There is a very visible framework for what they are doing and for increasing the chances of something. Instead, you are making blanket statements assuming that all those things don't increase the chances and therefore its just praying? Laughable simplistic and ignorant. Are all probabilities inherently the same in your life?

And then you decide to accuse everyone who can look at a probability and see when it increase in chance as assuming its 100%? Again, it is so absurd of a comment I'm thinking you aren't serious.

If you personally cannot deal with probabilities and that not all probabilities are the same, don't go accusing everyone else of saying an uncertain event -- one that they are saying is uncertain -- is 100% likely to happen.

So if you buy 10 lottery tickets instead of just 1 it's suddenly a "plan"? Sorry, not buying it.

Option 1: Have a 3% chance of success
Option 2: Have a 30% chance of success

Yeah, I take option 2 and feel pretty good about having 10 times the chances of achieving my goal. And considering all the moves required to go from 3 to 30%, it is obviously not as simple as just praying.

Sixers have put themselves in position to have a massively greater chance of drafting a superstar than if they sat around on their ass saying all odds are the same because they are intellectually deficient.
Sixers have also positioned themselves to have the means to acquire a superstar through trade of free agency, far more than previously and staying the course.

They haven't guaranteed anything, and they and their fans have been honest about that.

It would be great if their critics could actually be intellectually honest instead of spouting such superficial imaginary bull like: "Its all just praying" or "By saying its a plan you think its 100% going to work". Those comments are dumb.

I don't know where this "100%" crap is coming from but it never was said by me. You've repeated it 3 times now despite me never having said something close to that.

The reality is that generational talents; the Kobes the LeBrons, the Duncans, are much rarer than 30% or even 3%. This is what they are going for. This is what they have claimed they are going for. So no, buying a few extra lottery tickets isn't going to help your chances very much. Maybe they're at 5% now, I don't know.

[Unbreakable99]

So if you buy 10 lottery tickets instead of just 1 it's suddenly a "plan"? Sorry, not buying it.

Option 1: Have a 3% chance of success
Option 2: Have a 30% chance of success

Yeah, I take option 2 and feel pretty good about having 10 times the chances of achieving my goal. And considering all the moves required to go from 3 to 30%, it is obviously not as simple as just praying.

Sixers have put themselves in position to have a massively greater chance of drafting a superstar than if they sat around on their ass saying all odds are the same because they are intellectually deficient.
Sixers have also positioned themselves to have the means to acquire a superstar through trade of free agency, far more than previously and staying the course.

They haven't guaranteed anything, and they and their fans have been honest about that.

It would be great if their critics could actually be intellectually honest instead of spouting such superficial imaginary bull like: "Its all just praying" or "By saying its a plan you think its 100% going to work". Those comments are dumb.

I don't know where this "100%" crap is coming from but it never was said by me. You've repeated it 3 times now despite me never having said something close to that.

The reality is that generational talents; the Kobes the LeBrons, the Duncans, are much rarer than 30% or even 3%. This is what they are going for. This is what they have claimed they are going for. So no, buying a few extra lottery tickets isn't going to help your chances very much. Maybe they're at 5% now, I don't know.

Embiid just may be a generational talent. I think he will be very special.

[HartfordWhalers]

I don't know where this "100%" crap is coming from but it never was said by me. You've repeated it 3 times now despite me never having said something close to that.

Here you go:

Because some of you do act like it is a guarantee. Some of you also act like there is this elaborate master plan where failure is not possible.

Would be nice to find these posters. They keep getting brought up, yet never seem to be anywhere to quote when they are. I'm sure if you look really hard you might find 1, maybe even 2, tracking in at what 3% of Sixers posters? 2%? But I would be shocked if you could find more than that, and it isn't just an absolutely absurd strawman that people trot out and expect to have it treated seriously despite no basis.

"These posters" are anyone who refers to what the 76ers are doing as a "plan" or "strategy". Praying you win the powerball is not a plan.

So, you identified "anyone who refers to what the 76ers are doing as a "plan" "
as those posters that "act like it is a guarantee. Some of you also act like there is this elaborate master plan where failure is not possible."

It wasn't at all hard to find. It was the comment you made that I quoted and responded to.

[mateo82]

I don't know where this "100%" crap is coming from but it never was said by me. You've repeated it 3 times now despite me never having said something close to that.

Here you go:

Would be nice to find these posters. They keep getting brought up, yet never seem to be anywhere to quote when they are. I'm sure if you look really hard you might find 1, maybe even 2, tracking in at what 3% of Sixers posters? 2%? But I would be shocked if you could find more than that, and it isn't just an absolutely absurd strawman that people trot out and expect to have it treated seriously despite no basis.

"These posters" are anyone who refers to what the 76ers are doing as a "plan" or "strategy". Praying you win the powerball is not a plan.

So, you identified "anyone who refers to what the 76ers are doing as a "plan" "
as those posters that "act like it is a guarantee. Some of you also act like there is this elaborate master plan where failure is not possible."

It wasn't at all hard to find. It was the comment you made that I quoted and responded to.

Yeah, you're quoting the wrong person, "guarantee" or "100%" did not appear in my comments. My comments are strictly about people who think that this is a for-real plan.

[HartfordWhalers]

I don't know where this "100%" crap is coming from but it never was said by me. You've repeated it 3 times now despite me never having said something close to that.

Here you go:

"These posters" are anyone who refers to what the 76ers are doing as a "plan" or "strategy". Praying you win the powerball is not a plan.

So, you identified "anyone who refers to what the 76ers are doing as a "plan" "
as those posters that "act like it is a guarantee. Some of you also act like there is this elaborate master plan where failure is not possible."

It wasn't at all hard to find. It was the comment you made that I quoted and responded to.

Yeah, you're quoting the wrong person, "guarantee" or "100%" did not appear in my comments. My comments are strictly about people who think that this is a for-real plan.

So, to be clear, you:

1) Quoted me asking someone else who "these posters" are
2) Replied saying who those posters are in quotes even.
3) Didn't mean your reply in response to my question?

Okay then...

[Rendei]

Nerlens Noel was the highest rated draft pick by far before he got injured - Ben Mclemore and Victor Oladipo were dark horses for #1 around the time he went down. they traded a solid PG in Jrue Holiday for a guy with serious DPOY potential (they also got a draft pick also), that is easily worth. Noel is already close to being an all-defensive caliber big, and I thought he should have won ROY.

The predraft rankings from two years ago mean about as much as my opinions on who the Bucks should draft.

I like Noel, but nobody outside of Philadelphia would take him over Gobert right now as an interior defender from the same draft class. And you go on to label him as the best talent in the class later in the post like it's a given just because he was projected to go #1 before his injury (news flash, Gobert was also hurt back then). My guess is most neutral fans would take Giannis over Noel as well, but I'm admittedly biased in that regard. He looks better than Anthony Bennett though, so there's that.

Relying on draft picks can work out great. It can also work out terrible. The one thing I'm sure I don't like is going all in on development without much quality veteran leadership to assist it. The Sixers need some vets who've won some rings to show the young guys what it takes. Meanwhile the Wolves probably got the perfect guy in Garnett.

Kyrie seems like a good example. That kid was unbelievable his rookie year, and was so personally motivated that he couldn't possibly fail unless the injury bug doomed him. Yet he was in a bad situation, and actually seemed to get worse after that if anything. Then Lebron and friends came to town, and that all seems like ancient history now.

[HeartBreakKid]

The predraft rankings from two years ago mean about as much as my opinions on who the Bucks should draft.

They still matter...talk like that is why people wanted to get rid of Harrison Barnes his second year. It's not like Noel has nothing to show for it, he had good rookie season. You don't go from the best prospect of your draft class to not mattering at all with in that short of a time span.

I like Noel, but nobody outside of Philadelphia would take him over Gobert right now as an interior defender from the same draft class. And you go on to label him as the best talent in the class later in the post like it's a given just because he was projected to go #1 before his injury (news flash, Gobert was also hurt back then). My guess is most neutral fans would take Giannis over Noel as well, but I'm admittedly biased in that regard. He looks better than Anthony Bennett though, so there's that.

I don't get your point. I said that he was the best prospect at the time that he was taken, it makes no sense to give Philly **** for taking him. I didn't say that as of 2015, he is going to be the best player in his draft class. Noel was a blue chip piece, that does not mean that there are no other blue chips in his draft class. In other words, no one is going to say that LAC was dumb for taking Blake Griffin just because Stephen Curry ended up being better.

To expect him to be bad when he was the best talent in his draft class makes zero sense, and as of now he seems like he is going to be a good player. That is not the same thing as saying that players who were taken significantly later than him cannot end up better. Judging Philly because they took Noel and not Gobert or Giannis is using an absurd amount of hindsight.

Relying on draft picks can work out great. It can also work out terrible. The one thing I'm sure I don't like is going all in on development without much quality veteran leadership to assist it. The Sixers need some vets who've won some rings to show the young guys what it takes. Meanwhile the Wolves probably got the perfect guy in Garnett.

They have cap space, what makes you think they will not get veterans? Veterans are not hard to get.

I don't get the first two sentences, you can use that for any strategy. Free agency can work out terrible. Trades can work out terrible. A lot of things have went wrong for the Bucks and they didn't do what Philly did.

Kyrie seems like a good example. That kid was unbelievable his rookie year, and was so personally motivated that he couldn't possibly fail unless the injury bug doomed him. Yet he was in a bad situation, and actually seemed to get worse after that if anything. Then Lebron and friends came to town, and that all seems like ancient history now.

I'm not sure how this is relevant, and Kyrie Irving never got worse after his rookie year, neither did the Cavs. James pretty much came back to Cleveland because of the blue chips that Cleveland had acquired. If Cleveland did not have Wiggins then James probably would not come - and that's with Cleveland wasting a pick on Bennett.

The Cavs are not in the finals because they are veterans now, they're in the finals because they have Lebron James on the team. Though I am not trying to argue that veterans are not important, but I just don't see how citing the Cavs is really relevant to what we're discussing.

[Rendei]

The predraft rankings from two years ago mean about as much as my opinions on who the Bucks should draft.

They still matter...talk like that is why people wanted to get rid of Harrison Barnes his second year. It's not like Noel has nothing to show for it, he had good rookie season. You don't go from the best prospect of your draft class to not mattering at all with in that short of a time span.

They don't matter nearly as much as what a guy is actually doing in the league. In the case of a young guy like Barnes, the team he plays for and practices with every day is in a better position to know him and the way he practices to be able to project his development than anyone else. And as good as he is, he's definitely no world beater.

Again, I like Noel. I really do. I just don't think he's the best of his class.

I like Noel, but nobody outside of Philadelphia would take him over Gobert right now as an interior defender from the same draft class. And you go on to label him as the best talent in the class later in the post like it's a given just because he was projected to go #1 before his injury (news flash, Gobert was also hurt back then). My guess is most neutral fans would take Giannis over Noel as well, but I'm admittedly biased in that regard. He looks better than Anthony Bennett though, so there's that.

I don't get your point. I said that he was the best prospect at the time that he was taken, it makes no sense to give Philly **** for taking him. I didn't say that as of 2015, he is going to be the best player in his draft class. Noel was a blue chip piece, that does not mean that there are no other blue chips in his draft class. In other words, no one is going to say that LAC was dumb for taking Blake Griffin just because Stephen Curry ended up being better.

To expect him to be bad when he was the best talent in his draft class makes zero sense, and as of now he seems like he is going to be a good player. That is not the same thing as saying that players who were taken significantly later than him cannot end up better. Judging Philly because they took Noel and not Gobert or Giannis is using an absurd amount of hindsight.

My apologies. I wasn't trying to give Philly **** for taking him. I've never had any problems with Philly drafting Noel. My purpose is to give anyone **** who still believes they'd do it if they could repick. If that wasn't your intention, then I misinterpreted you.

Relying on draft picks can work out great. It can also work out terrible. The one thing I'm sure I don't like is going all in on development without much quality veteran leadership to assist it. The Sixers need some vets who've won some rings to show the young guys what it takes. Meanwhile the Wolves probably got the perfect guy in Garnett.

They have cap space, what makes you think they will not get veterans? Veterans are not hard to get.

I don't get the first two sentences, you can use that for any strategy. Free agency can work out terrible. Trades can work out terrible. A lot of things have went wrong for the Bucks and they didn't do what Philly did.

How about the fact that they haven't shown any interest in doing that? At least, this would be my rant if I were a Sixers fan. Anything to make sure that all these top draft picks they bottomed out for aren't going to waste. As a non Sixers fan I'll just be happy if they don't trade more of their talent away for future draft picks.

It's true that a lot of things can work out terrible, but the Herb Kohl Bucks were the masters of mediocrity. So the Bucks aren't really the best example, even if that's the scariest place to be in the NBA. A lot of those Sixers teams weren't all that much different. Not much risk, not much reward.

Kyrie seems like a good example. That kid was unbelievable his rookie year, and was so personally motivated that he couldn't possibly fail unless the injury bug doomed him. Yet he was in a bad situation, and actually seemed to get worse after that if anything. Then Lebron and friends came to town, and that all seems like ancient history now.

I'm not sure how this is relevant, and Kyrie Irving never got worse after his rookie year, neither did the Cavs. James pretty much came back to Cleveland because of the blue chips that Cleveland had acquired. If Cleveland did not have Wiggins then James probably would not come - and that's with Cleveland wasting a pick on Bennett.

The Cavs are not in the finals because they are veterans now, they're in the finals because they have Lebron James on the team. Though I am not trying to argue that veterans are not important, but I just don't see how citing the Cavs is really relevant to what we're discussing.

Hmmm.

Kyrie - rookie - 56.6 TS% - 51.7 eFG% - 21.4 PER
Kyrie - year 2 - 55.3 TS% - 50.3 eFG% - 21.4 PER
Kyrie - year 3 - 53.3 TS% - 48.0 eFG% - 20.1 PER
Kyrie - year 4 - 58.3 TS% - 53.2 eFG% - 21.5 PER (this season)

[Sherdognba]

Call me when they do

[Sixersftw]

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My apologies. I wasn't trying to give Philly **** for taking him. I've never had any problems with Philly drafting Noel. My purpose is to give anyone **** who still believes they'd do it if they could repick. If that wasn't your intention, then I misinterpreted you.

I don't think thats really fair either. His rookie year was really good. This isn't about who is better in year 2 it's about when they hit their primes who will be the better player and if someone decides Noel will be I don't think that's unreasonable. I also understand picking the other 2 players though I'm obviously biased.

[stopstandthere]

76ers will become dynasty in 10 years, so as other 29 teams.

[Mik317]

More misconceptions

1. Very few if any Sixers fan thinks it is guaranteed. The sooner I have to stop saying this the better.

2. Jason Richardson and LMBM were our veteran leadership and kept the locker room together. Jric often pulled guys aside to calm them down. And Luc was called a calming force for the team. So I think we had enough veteran leadership to go around (Luc should be back I think too).

3. There is a plan. Hinkie just isn't going to leave everything up to luck. The whole idea of plans is that you have countermeasures in place. Lets say we fell to 5th instead of 3rd, that would have sucked but it wouldn't have killed the entire plan...Hinkie may be a crazy man but he isn't that crazy to have everything blow up that easy as it was crazy possible. The plan is to collect prospects, see who blossoms and or can be used to build a winning team. At this point (i.e no assets to trade and nothing to attract), the draft is the best way to do so. This idea that we are waiting to draft Jordan is a bit short sighted. Yeah that would be sweet and would kickstart the rebuild but there are other options if that does not happen. Comparing it to a actual lottery is stupid. Most plans can fail...ours might but it is still worth finding out.

[stopstandthere]

Would the set back of Embiid affect the time frame?