2015-16 Fake Trade Thread

[Braggins]

No way do you trade Zeller and 9 for Hezonja and Stauskas. Zeller is the best player of the deal and #9 might be the second best (Stanley Johnson, Payne, WCS)

9 is more valuable than 6? Im not sure Zeller is more valuable than who we could draft at 6 (doesnt have to be Mario). I dont think any team would trade a top 10 pick in this draft for Zeller straight up. Also, we were getting Jason Thompson back in the proposal, who put up virtually identical numbers to Zeller last season in an off year.

[driveandkick]

I think of it as I can land someone I would group with Hezonja, Booker and Oubre in SG potential and Grant. Would I take Grant and Young over Hezonja/Booker/Oubre every day as I think a lot of people would. Now add a ton of cap savings and you have a great deal. I think the part you are skipping is we are not dumping Lance for dropping 7 spots. We are gaining Young for the drop and adding some bonus cap space for free.

Firstly, even if Oubre or Booker were in the same class as Henzona, it is highly unlikely that either are available at 16. We would not be adding "tons" of cap. We would be gaining a marginal amount that might land us a mid-tier vet, which won't move the needle at all, and that is only if Hendo opts out. If Hendo doesn't opt out the cap space is basically inconsequential. Not that is really means anything, but many many more people would take Hezonja over Booker, Oubre, and Grant especially. Young is an alright prospect, but he was a 17th pick who put up 35%/26% shooting numbers in his rookie season. There is no reason to assume he is much better than PJ, if at all.

Awful trade imo.

It is not Hezonja over one of them it is Hezonja over two of them. Young is on par with all of them, yes Hezonja included, right now. He shot over 40% from three when he got regular time in the D-league. Even if you believe Hezonja is better it is not by a amount equal to also getting Grant.

Young and Grant > Hezonja even if you like him.

Trading up for just Hezonja is way worse than trading down for Young and Grant fairly easily. You were talking about giving up Zeller and 9 for Hezonja and I am getting a prospect only slightly behind Hezonja, if behind at all, and Grant while also adding some cap room.

What?

[Braggins]

Firstly, even if Oubre or Booker were in the same class as Henzona, it is highly unlikely that either are available at 16. We would not be adding "tons" of cap. We would be gaining a marginal amount that might land us a mid-tier vet, which won't move the needle at all, and that is only if Hendo opts out. If Hendo doesn't opt out the cap space is basically inconsequential. Not that is really means anything, but many many more people would take Hezonja over Booker, Oubre, and Grant especially. Young is an alright prospect, but he was a 17th pick who put up 35%/26% shooting numbers in his rookie season. There is no reason to assume he is much better than PJ, if at all.

Awful trade imo.

It is not Hezonja over one of them it is Hezonja over two of them. Young is on par with all of them, yes Hezonja included, right now. He shot over 40% from three when he got regular time in the D-league. Even if you believe Hezonja is better it is not by a amount equal to also getting Grant.

Young and Grant > Hezonja even if you like him.

Trading up for just Hezonja is way worse than trading down for Young and Grant fairly easily. You were talking about giving up Zeller and 9 for Hezonja and I am getting a prospect only slightly behind Hezonja, if behind at all, and Grant while also adding some cap room.

What?

I think he means the combination of the two is better than Hezonja, which I still disagree with. Its kind of like saying banging two 4s is better than banging a 7. Its kind of a loose analogy, but i think you know what i mean.

[BeesWax]

It is not Hezonja over one of them it is Hezonja over two of them. Young is on par with all of them, yes Hezonja included, right now. He shot over 40% from three when he got regular time in the D-league. Even if you believe Hezonja is better it is not by a amount equal to also getting Grant.

Young and Grant > Hezonja even if you like him.

Trading up for just Hezonja is way worse than trading down for Young and Grant fairly easily. You were talking about giving up Zeller and 9 for Hezonja and I am getting a prospect only slightly behind Hezonja, if behind at all, and Grant while also adding some cap room.

What?

I think he means the combination of the two is better than Hezonja, which I still disagree with. Its kind of like saying banging two 4s is better than banging a 7. Its kind of a loose analogy, but i think you know what i mean.

I do and it is more like two 6s at the same time vs one 6.5.

[BuzzCity]

I think I'd pass on Zeller & 9(Stanley) for Stauskas, Thompson and 6 (Hezonja) even tho I really like Hezonja...Stauskas just doesn't have me excited at all and Zeller is much better than Thompson.

However, if Cho trades Lance & 9(Stanley) for Young and 16, I'll be PISSED! I love the idea of getting Grant, but only if we could trade back into the mid first and keeping our pick. Not dropping that low. Young was fun to watch in college and I know he was drafted for "potential", but Stanley Johnson has far more potential...then again, that's just my opinion

Think anybody in their right mind would trade us Grant for PJ and next year's 1st being top 10 protected?

[driveandkick]

In more Knicks rumors they apparently like Payne and want to move back for him. Don't know how much I believe it, but theoretically how much would you guys give up for 4?

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Depend on if Russell is there or not. If so I think that it could be worth it to move up. At this point I don't think that anyone on the team could be untouchable for a deal that makes the roster fit together better. Noah and MKG would be the players I would like to move the least.

[Liver_Pooty]

In more Knicks rumors they apparently like Payne and want to move back for him. Don't know how much I believe it, but theoretically how much would you guys give up for 4?

I think id rather just stay at 9 to be honest.

[Braggins]

Lance + 9 + 39 + future 1st for Calderon + 4

Id do that in a heartbeat. Take Russell, Hezonja, Porzingis, or Winslow at 4. Let Mo walk, resign Biz.

Kemba/Calderon/Roberts
Hendo/Russell or Hezonja/Daniels
MKG/Pj
Zeller/Vonleh/Marv
Al/Biz

[BeesWax]

I would trade up for Russell if he is there. Otherwise stand pat and don't waste assets.

[Braggins]

I would trade up for Russell if he is there. Otherwise stand pat and don't waste assets.

What if Lance is one of those assets?

[BeesWax]

I would trade up for Russell if he is there. Otherwise stand pat and don't waste assets.

What if Lance is one of those assets?

If we want to clear him off the books and can fine. Trading him for another contract of a weak player poor idea unless it lands you a quality player. Trading a future pick and not getting Russell would be insane because the others at the top are marginal upgrades to what is there at nine or poor fits.

[Braggins]

Can Biz be traded on draft night with his contract situation? He would be a great fit for NY and would be their starter immediately. I can see NY wanting him. Id absolutely hate to lose Biz, but if it got us to 4...

[LofJ]

There is a decent chance Hezonja could drop to 9. There is no way I'd give up that much value to move up unless we're getting Russell back.

[BeesWax]

Can Biz be traded on draft night with his contract situation? He would be a great fit for NY and would be their starter immediately. I can see NY wanting him. Id absolutely hate to lose Biz, but if it got us to 4...

No he can't and again unless it is Russell it does not make much sense there. Almost everyone shy of Russell, Okafor or Towns has been rumored to be there at 9 at some point. To me this says they are so closely grouped trading up for one of them doesn't make sense because they might be there anyway. All you are doing is giving away assets and spend more money on a equal caliber player.

[Braggins]

Can Biz be traded on draft night with his contract situation? He would be a great fit for NY and would be their starter immediately. I can see NY wanting him. Id absolutely hate to lose Biz, but if it got us to 4...

No he can't and again unless it is Russell it does not make much sense there. Almost everyone shy of Russell, Okafor or Towns has been rumored to be there at 9 at some point. To me this says they are so closely grouped trading up for one of them doesn't make sense because they might be there anyway. All you are doing is giving away assets and spend more money on a equal caliber player.

You dont need to respond to every post i make to reiterate your opinion that there isnt a talent difference between who will be available at 4 and 9. I get that you feel that way, but I disagree.

Edit: Thanks for the Biz info, though. I thought that was the case.

[BeesWax]

Can Biz be traded on draft night with his contract situation? He would be a great fit for NY and would be their starter immediately. I can see NY wanting him. Id absolutely hate to lose Biz, but if it got us to 4...

No he can't and again unless it is Russell it does not make much sense there. Almost everyone shy of Russell, Okafor or Towns has been rumored to be there at 9 at some point. To me this says they are so closely grouped trading up for one of them doesn't make sense because they might be there anyway. All you are doing is giving away assets and spend more money on a equal caliber player.

You dont need to respond to every post i make to reiterate your opinion that there isnt a talent difference between who will be available at 4 and 9. I get that you feel that way, but I disagree.

Edit: Thanks for the Biz info, though. I thought that was the case.

You asked about Biz and you don't have to post every five seconds about trading up and if you do I will post my opinion about not trading up. So yes if you continually post the exact same thing over and over I will continue to say I think it is a poor idea over and over.

[Braggins]

Okafor also might be on the board at 4.

[Braggins]

No he can't and again unless it is Russell it does not make much sense there. Almost everyone shy of Russell, Okafor or Towns has been rumored to be there at 9 at some point. To me this says they are so closely grouped trading up for one of them doesn't make sense because they might be there anyway. All you are doing is giving away assets and spend more money on a equal caliber player.

You dont need to respond to every post i make to reiterate your opinion that there isnt a talent difference between who will be available at 4 and 9. I get that you feel that way, but I disagree.

Edit: Thanks for the Biz info, though. I thought that was the case.

You asked about Biz and you don't have to post every five seconds about trading up and if you do I will post my opinion about not trading up. So yes if you continually post the exact same thing over and over I will continue to say I think it is a poor idea over and over.

Its the fake trade thread... Ill post as many trades as Id like. Someone specifically asked for trade ideas with NY...

Im just telling you that I know your opinion and there is no point in repeating it to me over and over. You can continue wasting your time doing so if it makes you feel better.

[BeesWax]

You dont need to respond to every post i make to reiterate your opinion that there isnt a talent difference between who will be available at 4 and 9. I get that you feel that way, but I disagree.

Edit: Thanks for the Biz info, though. I thought that was the case.

You asked about Biz and you don't have to post every five seconds about trading up and if you do I will post my opinion about not trading up. So yes if you continually post the exact same thing over and over I will continue to say I think it is a poor idea over and over.

Its the fake trade thread... Ill post as many trades as Id like. Someone specifically asked for trade ideas with NY...

Im just telling you that I know your opinion and there is no point in repeating it to me over and over. You can continue wasting your time doing so if it makes you feel better.

The point of the thread it to post fake trades and for others to comment. You keep posting the same terrible trade over and over again. That is your right and my right is to say it is a bad trade.