Drummond and Jackson's stats in their time playing together

MotownMadness · Post #1 » by **MotownMadness** » Mon Jun 8, 2015 4:30 am

I've seen a couple posters who are all unhappy, Cough BKSeven. Even wanting to trade these two young guys for unproven draft picks. So I was looking at their stats through the 27 games they played together and I just can't figure out what the hell a couple of you are thinking. And mind you they are only 24 and 21.

Drummond- post AllStar break
16.1ppg (54 fg%)
14.7rpg
2.1blks

Reggie- post AllStar break
17.6ppg (44 fg% and 34 3pt%)
9.2apg (51.2 ast% best in the league)
4.7rpg

So what in the world are a few of you complaining about and wanting to move these two young guys for a draft pick for? I'm pumped having these two young pieces as building blocks. They both have legit shots at being top 5 at their positions.

DETermination · Post #2 » by **DETermination** » Mon Jun 8, 2015 5:03 am

I just loved watching them play together, they have great chemistry already and Reggie knows how to set up Dre for easy buckets all game long. Both Reggie and Andre have a shot at being all stars next season imo, idk why anyone would want to trade them.

Pharaoh · Post #3 » by **Pharaoh** » Mon Jun 8, 2015 6:33 am

It was sfballa if memory serves that posted trades involving Dre & RJ, not bkseven!

That said those are some nice numbers...

How many wins and losses?

ImHeisenberg · Post #4 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Mon Jun 8, 2015 11:01 am

Pharaoh wrote:It was sfballa if memory serves that posted trades involving Dre & RJ, not bkseven!

That said those are some nice numbers...

How many wins and losses?

There's that nice 10 game losing streak in there, so probably not a great record.

Ghost · Post #5 » by **Ghost** » Mon Jun 8, 2015 4:56 pm

With the right fits, aka stretch 4, 3&D type SF and SG, these two could lead us a long **** ways. I love what I've seen out of them and I'm extremely excited for this upcoming year!! They're both long and athletic players that have a fast growing relationship

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The Penguin · Post #6 » by **The Penguin** » Mon Jun 8, 2015 6:32 pm

Ghost wrote:With the right fits, aka stretch 4, 3&D type SF and SG, these two could lead us a long **** ways. I love what I've seen out of them and I'm extremely excited for this upcoming year!! They're both long and athletic players that have a fast growing relationship .

This is my biggest concern, specifically with Jackson. With these two, we need very specific guys at the 2-4 and they all need to be able to shoot. I'm fine with them being our building blocks moving forward, but PGs who can't shoot are tough to build around.

It seems that Dre/KCP/Jackson have all developed a great chemistry together, that's huge, especially if we can get a young 3 or 4 who fits in with the group.

sc8581 · Post #7 » by **sc8581** » Mon Jun 8, 2015 8:02 pm

Tony Parker isn't a shooter yet I think he still has a couple rings.

What are their numbers together when Monroe didn't play? A much better record as well I'm sure.

zeebneeb · Post #8 » by **zeebneeb** » Mon Jun 8, 2015 8:27 pm

What excites me is Jackson's floor leading abilities, and passing abilities. Post all star break he averaged 9.2 apg, and in the last month (8 games) he averaged 10.5 apg. Next year, if we add a shooter at the 3, his assist numbers could be unreal next year.

You don't have to shoot alot, when your great at getting people the ball in stride, and also have drummond to oop to 3-4 times a game.

My guess for a full season is Jackson is sittings around 16-19ppg, and somewhere around 9-13apg, depending on personnel.

He post all star averaged 9.2, with this team (20+games) so with proper players at the 3 and 4, it could be quite a bit higher.

A SF that is deadly from 3, and can hit the mid range is stride, will make this team fierce.

Laimbeer · Post #9 » by **Laimbeer** » Mon Jun 8, 2015 8:56 pm

Yeah, and if you narrow Jackson's stats down to about the last 20 games after he really got acclimated, they are crazy.

Notanoob · Post #10 » by **Notanoob** » Mon Jun 8, 2015 9:02 pm

Jackson's scoring and efficiency is inflated by hot 3P%, he's a terrible career shooter from 3 so don't expect him to keep that scoring up quite how he was doing it during that nice stretch near the end of the season.

ImHeisenberg · Post #11 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Mon Jun 8, 2015 9:17 pm

The Penguin wrote:This is my biggest concern, specifically with Jackson.

He shot 34% from deep as a Piston. That isn't exactly "non-shooter" numbers, just about league average. They can't all be Steph Curry, my friend.

Notanoob · Post #12 » by **Notanoob** » Mon Jun 8, 2015 11:07 pm

ImHeisenberg wrote:
The Penguin wrote:This is my biggest concern, specifically with Jackson.

He shot 34% from deep as a Piston. That isn't exactly "non-shooter" numbers, just about league average. They can't all be Steph Curry, my friend.

What do you think is a better representation of his ability to shoot, the 28.8% he shot on 569 attempts in 245 games with OKC or the 33.7% he shot on 83 attempts in just 27 games with the Pistons? I'll answer that, it's the gigantic sample size over the tiny one. You're wrong to think that a little hot streak shows that he's suddenly improved as a jump shooter, the same way that the Rockets would be wrong to think that Josh Smith has suddenly turned into a better 3 point shooter once he started playing for them and ignoring his lengthy history of sucking at shooting the ball.

To break down how he did with the Pistons:

He started off shooting 24.2%, for the first 10 games.

He was red hot for a 9 game stretch in March from the 14th to the 31st where he shot 46.7% from three.

After that, he shot 30% from three for 8 games.

League average is around 36% btw.

zeebneeb · Post #13 » by **zeebneeb** » Mon Jun 8, 2015 11:16 pm

Notanoob wrote:
ImHeisenberg wrote:
The Penguin wrote:This is my biggest concern, specifically with Jackson.

He shot 34% from deep as a Piston. That isn't exactly "non-shooter" numbers, just about league average. They can't all be Steph Curry, my friend.

What do you think is a better representation of his ability to shoot, the 28.8% he shot on 569 attempts in 245 games with OKC or the 33.7% he shot on 83 attempts in just 27 games with the Pistons? I'll answer that, it's the gigantic sample size over the tiny one. You're wrong to think that a little hot streak shows that he's suddenly improved as a jump shooter, the same way that the Rockets would be wrong to think that Josh Smith has suddenly turned into a better 3 point shooter once he started playing for them and ignoring his lengthy history of sucking at shooting the ball.

To break down how he did with the Pistons:

He started off shooting 24.2%, for the first 10 games.

He was red hot for a 9 game stretch in March from the 14th to the 31st where he shot 46.7% from three.

After that, he shot 30% from three for 8 games.

League average is around 36% btw.

So players can't improve? Other than that, what point are you trying to make?

treefi · Post #14 » by **treefi** » Tue Jun 9, 2015 1:49 am

I LOVE Jackson and Drummond together. 20ppg, 5rpg, 10apg is possible for Jackson if everything clicks. If Drummond improves his FT% to 50% and/or continues to develop that hook shot, 15-18ppg and 13-15rpg isn't crazy and would make for one hell of a combo with Jackson. They are dynamite to watch play together. With Anthony Tolliver and Caron Butler/Tayshaun Prince spacing the floor. lol

Screw a MAX contract for an older LMA, I have my eye on PF/C Meyers Leonard. What does it take to bring him to Detroit? Would a Monroe/Aldridge duo convince LMA to stay?

treefi · Post #15 » by **treefi** » Tue Jun 9, 2015 1:59 am

"Leonard is shooting 50-40-90 this season. Actually, 51.4 from the field, 43.8 from three and 92.9 from the free throw line to be exact. In NBA history, only Leonard and Steve Nash have shot 51 percent from he floor, 43 percent from downtown, and 92 percent from the line in a season."

"According to SportVu, Leonard ranks ninth in the NBA in field goal percentage on catch and shoots at 46.5 percent (min. 50 GP and two catch and shoot attempts per game). He’s also shooting 42.5 percent on catch and shoot 3-pointers, helping increase his catch and shoot effective field goal percentage to a whopping 62.7. Leonard’s fire 3-point shooting has also made him one of the most efficient pick and roll big men in the league."

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treefi · Post #16 » by **treefi** » Tue Jun 9, 2015 2:12 am

I have a bad feeling about Jennings after that retirement tweet delete. :banghead:

Hotmayo · Post #17 » by **Hotmayo** » Tue Jun 9, 2015 2:17 am

i loved watching them play together then greg had to ruin the fun again. hes great. we need him back. fa sho

zeebneeb · Post #18 » by **zeebneeb** » Tue Jun 9, 2015 3:21 am

Damn. I just got done watching some film on Leonard, and yeah, he would be a nice fit next to drummond, but how the hell do we get him, out of portland?

Notanoob · Post #19 » by **Notanoob** » Tue Jun 9, 2015 3:50 am

zeebneeb wrote:
Notanoob wrote:
ImHeisenberg wrote:
He shot 34% from deep as a Piston. That isn't exactly "non-shooter" numbers, just about league average. They can't all be Steph Curry, my friend.

What do you think is a better representation of his ability to shoot, the 28.8% he shot on 569 attempts in 245 games with OKC or the 33.7% he shot on 83 attempts in just 27 games with the Pistons? I'll answer that, it's the gigantic sample size over the tiny one. You're wrong to think that a little hot streak shows that he's suddenly improved as a jump shooter, the same way that the Rockets would be wrong to think that Josh Smith has suddenly turned into a better 3 point shooter once he started playing for them and ignoring his lengthy history of sucking at shooting the ball.

To break down how he did with the Pistons:

He started off shooting 24.2%, for the first 10 games.

He was red hot for a 9 game stretch in March from the 14th to the 31st where he shot 46.7% from three.

After that, he shot 30% from three for 8 games.

League average is around 36% btw.
So players can't improve? Other than that, what point are you trying to make?

Guys don't magically become respectable shooters in the middle of the season after being under 29% for their career.

zeebneeb · Post #20 » by **zeebneeb** » Tue Jun 9, 2015 3:56 am

Notanoob wrote:
zeebneeb wrote:
Notanoob wrote:What do you think is a better representation of his ability to shoot, the 28.8% he shot on 569 attempts in 245 games with OKC or the 33.7% he shot on 83 attempts in just 27 games with the Pistons? I'll answer that, it's the gigantic sample size over the tiny one. You're wrong to think that a little hot streak shows that he's suddenly improved as a jump shooter, the same way that the Rockets would be wrong to think that Josh Smith has suddenly turned into a better 3 point shooter once he started playing for them and ignoring his lengthy history of sucking at shooting the ball.

To break down how he did with the Pistons:

He started off shooting 24.2%, for the first 10 games.

He was red hot for a 9 game stretch in March from the 14th to the 31st where he shot 46.7% from three.

After that, he shot 30% from three for 8 games.

League average is around 36% btw.
So players can't improve? Other than that, what point are you trying to make?

Guys don't magically become respectable shooters in the middle of the season after being under 29% for their career.

So yes, you don't believe players can improve, even though for the first time this is his team, and his team alone, different players, and system. Gotcha.

You do realize that quite the opposite can also be true, right?