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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#681 » by Mirjalovic » Sun Jun 7, 2015 3:40 am

LApwnd wrote:seeing alot of mocks having Delon Wright falling to us....is that a good thing? Another 6 5" pg but of course being a senior I guess not much of a ceiling?

i like him. Probably the next Kirk Hinrich.
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#682 » by dockingsched » Sun Jun 7, 2015 6:16 am

For the 27th and 34th pick I'm not even trying to forecast who I want the Lakers pick. I figure if there's a player I feel is a must have at that range he probably shouldn't be available. Gonna trust the front office will go with someone that impressed via avenues that aren't available to be the general public be in private workouts, interviews, or whatever else they use to judge these prospects.
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#683 » by laduane1 » Sun Jun 7, 2015 7:25 am

If Lakers keep these picks, they will be put over seas and more or less forgot. Rumors have Lakers even trading out of #2 to fall to teens or getting older player. Mitch does not want rookies, he wants 30 year olds.
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#684 » by kblo247 » Sun Jun 7, 2015 7:28 am

Look now I don't like half the shot the FO does and I call them out on it but really waiting the same thing doesn't make it a rumor, if you're the only one saying it
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#685 » by kblo247 » Sun Jun 7, 2015 7:31 am

To go with the post on the previous page

2
- Muiday
- Towns/Okafor (whomever Minny doesn't pick, assuming both are still healthy by the draft)
- Russell

27
- Wright (plays great d and is well rounded)
- Anderson (reminds me of Deaven Geroge, not a starter, but what Wes should've been)
- RHJ (want him the most but doubt he's there

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- Upshaw (take the risk with a second)
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#686 » by ratra_1211 » Sun Jun 7, 2015 8:54 am

that RHJ guy is huge and wide! would love him to be our 3
looks like a versatile defender. our very own modern day 3&D player. sweet

and at #27 i hope we snatch one of the guys kblo mention
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Post#687 » by Fresh360Waves » Mon Jun 8, 2015 8:49 am

ratra_1211 wrote:that RHJ guy is huge and wide! would love him to be our 3
looks like a versatile defender. our very own modern day 3&D player. sweet

and at #27 i hope we snatch one of the guys kblo mention


Except RHJ can't shoot. That's the only knock.
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#688 » by Fresh360Waves » Mon Jun 8, 2015 8:56 am

LApwnd wrote:seeing alot of mocks having Delon Wright falling to us....is that a good thing? Another 6 5" pg but of course being a senior I guess not much of a ceiling?


I think he's gonna fly under the radar. Very good defender. If RHJ or Anderson are already taken, Lakers should consider Wright at 27 if in fact they even use the 27th pick. They could very well package the 27, 34, and either Young or Hill like rumored already.
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#689 » by DadoTheRabbet » Tue Jun 9, 2015 1:53 am

#2
Towns
Russell
Okafor

#27 & #34 Depends on who we get at #2.

If Towns get a 3&D wing like Anderson at 27 and hopefully Wright at 34 (probably not available by 34 but if not, then BPA).
If Russell - Trade Clarkson and 34 to get a late lotto pick, get a defensive big, get a shooter (WC-S) and RJ Hunter with 27 if available.
If Okafor - Trade Randle (Okafor is simply a much better version of Randle after all) along with 27 and 34, try to get a top 6 or 7 pick and take Johnson - if Winslow's not available).

Then hit free agency to fill in the blanks.

Oh and if we take Mudiay at #2, then I won't care because I will have slit my wrists.
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#690 » by Mirjalovic » Tue Jun 9, 2015 2:57 am

i'll take Randle over Stanley, and arguably Winslow.
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Post#691 » by DadoTheRabbet » Tue Jun 9, 2015 3:18 am

Mirjalovic wrote:i'll take Randle over Stanley, and arguably Winslow.


Different positions. Randle is A PF (as far as we know, so far, anyway he's just a tweener in size, not skill set) while Winslow and Johnson are SFs. And, I woulnd't think any of the 3 could be considered. Hence, I am comparing Randle only to Okafor.
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#692 » by DadoTheRabbet » Tue Jun 9, 2015 3:20 am

DadoTheRabbet wrote:
Mirjalovic wrote:i'll take Randle over Stanley, and arguably Winslow.


Different positions. Randle is A PF (as far as we know, so far, anyway he's just a tweener in size, not skill set) while Winslow and Johnson are SFs. And, I woulnd't think any of the 3 could be considered combo forwards. Hence, I am comparing Randle only to Okafor. It's an apples and oranges kind of thing.
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#693 » by Mirjalovic » Tue Jun 9, 2015 3:22 am

i think Randle will fit offensively with Town or Okafor, plus Randle is not tweener, 6'9 is an ideal size for a PF.. Karl Malone, McAdoo, Elvin Hayes, IMO.
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#694 » by Danny Darko » Tue Jun 9, 2015 3:52 am

Not trading Randle... not yet anyhow
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Post#695 » by kblo247 » Tue Jun 9, 2015 3:57 am

Danny Darko wrote:Not trading Randle... not yet anyhow

If you can get the Knicks or Sixers pick for Randle/Clarkson you wouldn't do it?

One guy is coming off two surgeries and hasn't played even 15 minutes, the other will be a rfa at the end of the year looking for dough.

I mean if you can come away with two of Okafor/Towns and Russell/Mudiay at the draft you do it. You say bye to Randle and Clarkson without blinking. Then you just sign two vets to fill out the starting spot with your cap space.

Mitch and Jim would jump at that IMO, hell I'd jump at it and I like Randle, but you would have two top prospects like in for 4 years at less than the mle money before the cap booms up and you would free up spots for two strong vet starters to make a competing team and increase learning curve
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#696 » by LApwnd » Tue Jun 9, 2015 5:12 am

kblo247 wrote:
Danny Darko wrote:Not trading Randle... not yet anyhow

If you can get the Knicks or Sixers pick for Randle/Clarkson you wouldn't do it?

One guy is coming off two surgeries and hasn't played even 15 minutes, the other will be a rfa at the end of the year looking for dough.

I mean if you can come away with two of Okafor/Towns and Russell/Mudiay at the draft you do it. You say bye to Randle and Clarkson without blinking. Then you just sign two vets to fill out the starting spot with your cap space.

Mitch and Jim would jump at that IMO, hell I'd jump at it and I like Randle, but you would have two top prospects like in for 4 years at less than the mle money before the cap booms up and you would free up spots for two strong vet starters to make a competing team and increase learning curve

Clarkson salary after next season will be limited anyways and if hes playing at the lvl to get paid that means he playing great so hed be worth tje raise
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#697 » by Frank Dux » Tue Jun 9, 2015 5:20 am

Mirjalovic wrote:i think Randle will fit offensively with Town or Okafor, plus Randle is not tweener, 6'9 is an ideal size for a PF.. Karl Malone, McAdoo, Elvin Hayes, IMO.


His height is fine, his wingspan on the other hand is not impressive. His wingspan is definitely in the lower echelon of NBA power forwards.

He always get compared to Zach Randolph, but Zach's wingpan is like six inches longer.
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#698 » by Danny Darko » Tue Jun 9, 2015 5:54 am

kblo247 wrote:
Danny Darko wrote:Not trading Randle... not yet anyhow

If you can get the Knicks or Sixers pick for Randle/Clarkson you wouldn't do it?

One guy is coming off two surgeries and hasn't played even 15 minutes, the other will be a rfa at the end of the year looking for dough.

I mean if you can come away with two of Okafor/Towns and Russell/Mudiay at the draft you do it. You say bye to Randle and Clarkson without blinking. Then you just sign two vets to fill out the starting spot with your cap space.

Mitch and Jim would jump at that IMO, hell I'd jump at it and I like Randle, but you would have two top prospects like in for 4 years at less than the mle money before the cap booms up and you would free up spots for two strong vet starters to make a competing team and increase learning curve


I'm not at all worried about his injuries and if you take that away it's a 6'9" beast rebounding PF with freakish handles and a promising shot development vs

The unknown athletic PG better than Exum I think but big>small
The slow PG who shoots the lights out but is likely gone at 4 and big>small
The athletic 3 defender with no shot? FFFFFF No
The Defensive Center? (not a fit with #2 big)
Mario or Kristap? gamble... large gamble

and then on top you mortgage Clarkson on top of that? no way.
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#699 » by QCalloway25 » Tue Jun 9, 2015 5:58 am

Frank Dux wrote:
Mirjalovic wrote:i think Randle will fit offensively with Town or Okafor, plus Randle is not tweener, 6'9 is an ideal size for a PF.. Karl Malone, McAdoo, Elvin Hayes, IMO.


His height is fine, his wingspan on the other hand is not impressive. His wingspan is definitely in the lower echelon of NBA power forwards.

He always get compared to Zach Randolph, but Zach's wingpan is like six inches longer.

It's 4-5 inches longer(Julius has a 7ft wingspan). It's kind of a weak comparison though because Julius really doesn't play like Zach. People see a lefty power forward who uses his strength to get post buckets and automatically say Zach. But Zach is nowhere near the athlete Julius is, not to mention Julius attacks off the dribble more times than not instead of it just being straight up back to the basket post touches. Julius also is comfortable and more than capable of playing in transition, unlike Zach. If Julius reminds me of anyone, it's another average to above average wingspan having power forward, Blake Griffin. He's a Blake-lite and his shot seems to be progressing faster than Blake's was.
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Re: Official Draft Thread | Lakers Pick #2, #27, #34 

Post#700 » by kblo247 » Tue Jun 9, 2015 6:14 am

Danny Darko wrote:
kblo247 wrote:
Danny Darko wrote:Not trading Randle... not yet anyhow

If you can get the Knicks or Sixers pick for Randle/Clarkson you wouldn't do it?

One guy is coming off two surgeries and hasn't played even 15 minutes, the other will be a rfa at the end of the year looking for dough.

I mean if you can come away with two of Okafor/Towns and Russell/Mudiay at the draft you do it. You say bye to Randle and Clarkson without blinking. Then you just sign two vets to fill out the starting spot with your cap space.

Mitch and Jim would jump at that IMO, hell I'd jump at it and I like Randle, but you would have two top prospects like in for 4 years at less than the mle money before the cap booms up and you would free up spots for two strong vet starters to make a competing team and increase learning curve


I'm not at all worried about his injuries and if you take that away it's a 6'9" beast rebounding PF with freakish handles and a promising shot development vs

The unknown athletic PG better than Exum I think but big>small
The slow PG who shoots the lights out but is likely gone at 4 and big>small
The athletic 3 defender with no shot? FFFFFF No
The Defensive Center? (not a fit with #2 big)
Mario or Kristap? gamble... large gamble

and then on top you mortgage Clarkson on top of that? no way.

Let's just say hypothetically the sixers agreed to the deal before the draft and the wolves go full dummy and replace Rubio ... Twin Towers.

I mean id never exclude myself from that chance at this point just because the smalls work out with minny later in the week and next week. Minny fans and front office could want a more gsw or okc like team compared to the bigs.

I love Randle and to me he's got potential odom had, yet Mudiay has Gary Payton/Jason Kidd like potential. It's tough but I wouldn't rule out looking at getting two top picks in this draft.

I like clarkson but i don't see it as mortgaging him. You have to give to get. Randle is diminished right now value wise and so is clarkson because you have to pay him this summer as opposed to other rookies who you pay for four years. Clarkson is going to get paid right with the cap boom happening, so again a team is eating a bit of a bullet there financially and flexibility wise as they will have to pay him and 2-3 years later when that new deal he signs expires he's not restricted like first rounders.

I guess it comes to what you see clarkson ceiling being .. I don't know how he's improved this summer but i do like him, just hate that we didn't opt him out ala Ryan Kelly and actually give his talent the room exception this summer in full to not screw up next summer
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