#27 #34 Draft Picks Discussion

[kblo247]

I get it, I really do. I'm still not against paying Dragic, drafting a big, and moving both Kobe and Clarkson down since I think clarkson will defend sgs better

[ratra_1211]

that RHJ guy is huge and wide! would love him to be our 3
looks like a versatile defender. our very own modern day 3&D player. sweet

and at #27 i hope we snatch one of the guys kblo mention

Except RHJ can't shoot. That's the only knock.

yeah he got ed davis-esque release on his shot.. hard to watch lol
but his arm length intrigue me

[Slava]

A little idea of Flip Saunders' thought process towards the draft:

Thompson had blown Saunders away during a pre-draft workout in 2011, when Saunders coached the Wizards. The Washington brain trust considered reaching for Thompson with the no. 6 pick before going the safe route with a big man — Jan Vesely, who ranked higher on most draft boards but is now out of the league. “We toyed with it,” Saunders says, “but heaven forbid you go out of the box and pick someone you’re higher on than anyone else.”

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/whats ... evin-love/

[Mirjalovic]

i want Okafor even more..

[ArC_man]

A little idea of Flip Saunders' thought process towards the draft:

Thompson had blown Saunders away during a pre-draft workout in 2011, when Saunders coached the Wizards. The Washington brain trust considered reaching for Thompson with the no. 6 pick before going the safe route with a big man — Jan Vesely, who ranked higher on most draft boards but is now out of the league. “We toyed with it,” Saunders says, “but heaven forbid you go out of the box and pick someone you’re higher on than anyone else.”

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/whats ... evin-love/

So you're saying he's picking Towns regardless of any of the workouts?

[Slava]

A little idea of Flip Saunders' thought process towards the draft:

Thompson had blown Saunders away during a pre-draft workout in 2011, when Saunders coached the Wizards. The Washington brain trust considered reaching for Thompson with the no. 6 pick before going the safe route with a big man — Jan Vesely, who ranked higher on most draft boards but is now out of the league. “We toyed with it,” Saunders says, “but heaven forbid you go out of the box and pick someone you’re higher on than anyone else.”

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/whats ... evin-love/

So you're saying he's picking Towns regardless of any of the workouts?

That's what I'd think but the Wolves do need a guy that can flat out score and be the #1 option, he says that about Love in that same interview. So its just clear that he won't draft anyone else like Mudiay or Russell out of left field.

[LApwnd]

A little idea of Flip Saunders' thought process towards the draft:



http://grantland.com/the-triangle/whats ... evin-love/

So you're saying he's picking Towns regardless of any of the workouts?

That's what I'd think but the Wolves do need a guy that can flat out score and be the #1 option, he says that about Love in that same interview. So its just clear that he won't draft anyone else like Mudiay or Russell out of left field.

I have a feeling he's gona take Okafor, Town right now is a lot of hype what he "could do" rather than what he is doing. I'm just following the lambs here and say its fine we if we do get Towns but personally I see Okafor being the better player off the bat and even 2-4 yrs down the line. We would have to cater almost everything from O to D to optimize Towns development to reach his full potential (feel like he has a lower chance of this than Okafor) and if we do get him there its gona take much longer than Okafor as well.

[jirojan]

if your the sixers or knicks would you do randle+clarkson+ 27 for #3 or #4?

id LOVE to get one of the 2 bigs + one of the 2 pg/sg's

[RamonSessions7]

if your the sixers or knicks would you do randle+clarkson+ 27 for #3 or #4?

id LOVE to get one of the 2 bigs + one of the 2 pg/sg's

Can't see them even coming close to doing that

[ArC_man]

if your the sixers or knicks would you do randle+clarkson+ 27 for #3 or #4?

id LOVE to get one of the 2 bigs + one of the 2 pg/sg's

Randle would go #3-4 this draft, Clarkson is All Rookie 1st team, and you're going to add in another 1st rounder?

[kblo247]

if your the sixers or knicks would you do randle+clarkson+ 27 for #3 or #4?

id LOVE to get one of the 2 bigs + one of the 2 pg/sg's

Randle would go #3-4 this draft, Clarkson is All Rookie 1st team, and you're going to add in another 1st rounder?

Clarkson has to be paid after the year, so his deal is bad considering that. Randle is coming off two surgeries and only 15 minutes of film. It's not a robbery at all

[Kilroy]

Why would WE do that?

[jirojan]

if your the sixers or knicks would you do randle+clarkson+ 27 for #3 or #4?

id LOVE to get one of the 2 bigs + one of the 2 pg/sg's

Randle would go #3-4 this draft, Clarkson is All Rookie 1st team, and you're going to add in another 1st rounder?

considering randle's injury and his tweener status, i think this would work for us

high-mid lottery talent (randle) low lottery talent (clarkson) + 27th for a super high ceiling player in russel or mudiay sounds great to me

[kblo247]

Why would WE do that?

Easier to groom two players with superstars potential than a player with superstar, a player with all star, and a player with starter potential. Likewise if we did a deal like that it would be because one would assume they would sign two vet starters off the nba free agency pool that are legit with their cap space. It increases the learning curve by having more vets around to teach guys how to win, and it even maintains the cap plan better the summer of KD than keeping Clarkson and having to pay him what 7-8mil per year after this summer?

[Kilroy]

I think you guys are underselling Randle and Clarkson... Obviously, it could be a Kobe-like situation where we are willing to do everything possible to get Mudiay (Philly I think is fine at 3 and wants Russel)... So if we absolutely fell in love with both Okafor and Mudiay, maybe we'd do it... But it would have to be some desperate-ass, 'I'll do ANYTHING for you' kind of love...
And I frankly don't think we love either of those guys that much.

If we just loved Mudiay that much, we'd just trade down...

[jirojan]

I think you guys are underselling Randle and Clarkson... Obviously, it could be a Kobe-like situation where we are willing to do everything possible to get Mudiay (Philly I think is fine at 3 and wants Russel)... So if we absolutely fell in love with both Okafor and Mudiay, maybe we'd do it... But it would have to be some desperate-ass, 'I'll do ANYTHING for you' kind of love...

imo, if you have a chance to trade 4 quarters for a dollar you DO IT...this isnt football, you can only play 5 people at a time


personally i REALLY want okafor and russel

[Kilroy]

I think guys loose all perspective when it comes to lottery picks... The New guy is always better than the old guy and what not...

We were lucky to get Randle last year at 7... It was a deep draft and his injury helped us get him. Clarkson is a rare talent that is thriving on his motor... Which is one of the hardest things to find in a Draft Prospect... Lack of desire and energy is the single biggest reason guys bust in the NBA... Clarkson has proven that he's not going that way... And from everything we've seen from Randle, he has that same desire/passion/commitment.

So to use your analogy... Don't sell $.75 for a quarter, to get a dollar.

[kblo247]

I think guys loose all perspective when it comes to lottery picks... The New guy is always better than the old guy and what not...

We were lucky to get Randle last year at 7... It was a deep draft and his injury helped us get him. Clarkson is a rare talent that is thriving on his motor... Which is one of the hardest things to find in a Draft Prospect... Lack of desire and energy is the single biggest reason guys bust in the NBA... Clarkson has proven that he's not going that way... And from everything we've seen from Randle, he has that same desire/passion/commitment.

So to use your analogy... Don't sell $.75 for a quarter, to get a dollar.

Randle hasn't played a game, lets just state that. Clarkson played beyond expectation, but next year the cap goes up and he's a rfa looking a 7-9mil not 3-5 like Mudiay or Russell would be locked into for the next 4 years

I'd do the deal everyday and just bay Tobias this summer to be a stretch 4 as he's already proven and he's younger than Clarkson. Then make Danny Green our older role playing 3 and D SF at 28 with everything left.

[Kilroy]

I think guys loose all perspective when it comes to lottery picks... The New guy is always better than the old guy and what not...

We were lucky to get Randle last year at 7... It was a deep draft and his injury helped us get him. Clarkson is a rare talent that is thriving on his motor... Which is one of the hardest things to find in a Draft Prospect... Lack of desire and energy is the single biggest reason guys bust in the NBA... Clarkson has proven that he's not going that way... And from everything we've seen from Randle, he has that same desire/passion/commitment.

So to use your analogy... Don't sell $.75 for a quarter, to get a dollar.

Randle hasn't played a game, lets just state that. Clarkson played beyond expectation, but next year the cap goes up and he's a rfa looking a 7-9mil not 3-5 like Mudiay or Russell would be locked into.

I'd do the deal everyday and just bay Tobias this summer to be a stretch 4 as he's already proven and he's younger than Clarkson. THen make Danny green out SF with everything left

Neither have Towns, Okafor, Russel or Mudiay... At least we know how Randle reacts to adversity and how he trains... We have none of that from 1-4...
Why are we marking Clarkson DOWN for over-achieving? Shouldn't that be a huge mark in his favor? Why would we assume the guys that under-achieved are going to be better than the guy that overachieved?

The cap situation is irrelevant to me... You need a core of at least 3 top stars in the NBA to win a championship, so you are going to have to pay them sooner or later... No reason that should be a factor in a trade right now when we actually have the cap space...

We are at least 3 years from contention as it stands... There isn't a free agent available that's going to change that this year or next, or both. So we should focus on building the best core available... And there's no reason to dump BOTH Randle and Clarkson along with the 27th pick just for a chance to grab Mudiay. Think that takes us farther from where we want to be, not closer.

[ArC_man]

if your the sixers or knicks would you do randle+clarkson+ 27 for #3 or #4?

id LOVE to get one of the 2 bigs + one of the 2 pg/sg's

Randle would go #3-4 this draft, Clarkson is All Rookie 1st team, and you're going to add in another 1st rounder?

Clarkson has to be paid after the year, so his deal is bad considering that. Randle is coming off two surgeries and only 15 minutes of film. It's not a robbery at all

When have we shied away from paying talent when it's worth it? If Clarkson continues to improve, we should give the kid his money and lock him up on a long term deal before other teams catch on to his real value. 7-9M with the increased cap will be like MLE money.