The #2 Pick

[LApwnd]

Personally, I would not consider trading the pick for Drummond

If his concussion history checked out and the team felt comfortable with it, and they had someone who can develop a bigs offensive game and you KNOW you want a big with that pick, why wouldn't you consider it?

You can teach a player how to shoot and how to refine their offensive skills, you can't teach effort defensively or on the glass.

Every big in college who had some semblance of post-NCAA offensive game took Okafor's lunch money every game.

when Det tried to make Drummond a more prominent post player, his fg% fell below 45%, he is not a good offensive player. He is another version of D. Jordan and even more terrible at the Ft line if anyone could believe that.

[dockingsched]

if you use the pick to trade for Drummond, you basically bank your entire future on him. With Drummond due for a huge deal next summer when the cap rises, the price isn't just the pick, you're also sacrificing a lot of cap room that could be used elsewhere. He'd need to be a championship cornerstone for that type of price, and if in the lakers I'm not willing to put all my eggs in the Drummond basket.

[Slava]

Drummond is a poor man's Dwight, only dumber.

[Sedale Threatt]

if you use the pick to trade for Drummond, you basically bank your entire future on him. With Drummond due for a huge deal next summer when the cap rises, the price isn't just the pick, you're also sacrificing a lot of cap room that could be used elsewhere. He'd need to be a championship cornerstone for that type of price, and if in the lakers I'm not willing to put all my eggs in the Drummond basket.

Someone who gets team team building...

[LApwnd]

Ryen Russillo is dropping some strongs opinions on his twitter.

Some not so kind stuff about okafor

[tweet]http://twitter.com/ryenarussillo/status/608109341208641539[/tweet]

[tweet]http://twitter.com/ryenarussillo/status/608109553935347712[/tweet]

I really don't understand why they need to take such a negative approach with Okafor when everyone and their mama seems to be on the KAT train for #1. Seems like Okafor can do no right, while KAT can do no wrong as I've hardly seen any negative comments towards KAT. Its as though Okafor is bound to not improve on anything while KAT will surely do everything right.

[ak7]

Drummond is a poor man's Dwight, only dumber.

Okafor is Brook Lopez, only Okafor can pass.

We can make comparisons all day, Drummond's advanced stats speak for themselves. He, as well as AD will be better than Okafor ever will be.

The game is changing. This isn't our father's NBA anymore. The game is all about elite wing play, being able to rebound and being able to defend both in the half court in the post and in transition. Oddly enough Okafor brings none of those three talents. How many teams lately have went to the Finals who ran their entire offense through a center?

Doc, is Okafor going to be a center piece to our championship team? Doubt it in today's NBA.

[Sedale Threatt]

Thought this was a good story, focusing on Okafor

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2490 ... rt-bot-203

[EArl]

Drummond is a poor man's Dwight, only dumber.

Okafor is Brook Lopez, only Okafor can pass.

We can make comparisons all day, Drummond's advanced stats speak for themselves. He, as well as AD will be better than Okafor ever will be.

The game is changing. This isn't our father's NBA anymore. The game is all about elite wing play, being able to rebound and being able to defend both in the half court in the post and in transition. Oddly enough Okafor brings none of those three talents. How many teams lately have went to the Finals who ran their entire offense through a center?

Doc, is Okafor going to be a center piece to our championship team? Doubt it in today's NBA.

Okafor is Pau Gasol imo. Thats who i see him becoming. Brook's post game isn't as good as Okafors.

[Slava]

Drummond is a poor man's Dwight, only dumber.

Okafor is Brook Lopez, only Okafor can pass.

We can make comparisons all day, Drummond's advanced stats speak for themselves. He, as well as AD will be better than Okafor ever will be.

The game is changing. This isn't our father's NBA anymore. The game is all about elite wing play, being able to rebound and being able to defend both in the half court in the post and in transition. Oddly enough Okafor brings none of those three talents. How many teams lately have went to the Finals who ran their entire offense through a center?

Doc, is Okafor going to be a center piece to our championship team? Doubt it in today's NBA.

Not sure what stats you are using to support your argument, he went backwards in every category from year 2 to year 3.

[LApwnd]

Drummond is a poor man's Dwight, only dumber.

Okafor is Brook Lopez, only Okafor can pass.

We can make comparisons all day, Drummond's advanced stats speak for themselves. He, as well as AD will be better than Okafor ever will be.

The game is changing. This isn't our father's NBA anymore. The game is all about elite wing play, being able to rebound and being able to defend both in the half court in the post and in transition. Oddly enough Okafor brings none of those three talents. How many teams lately have went to the Finals who ran their entire offense through a center?

Doc, is Okafor going to be a center piece to our championship team? Doubt it in today's NBA.

you don't know how Okafor will turn out, the Drummond to Howard comparison is fair as we've seen what they can do in the league. Okafor could turn out to be a bust and a terrible player you seem to suggest but he could prove others wrong on his D and for all the crap Lopez gets for his D he is actually is solid rim protecting big just not mobile enough to defend the PnR. For all of Drummond advance stats, he too is not a good PnR defender just like Jordan. Drummond will never be a big impact type player offensively, have you seen him trying to post up? Its not as ugly as Howards but the finish are rather dam ugly with his swing hook shots that miss by a mile at times being defended by much smaller players.

[ak7]

Drummond is a poor man's Dwight, only dumber.

Okafor is Brook Lopez, only Okafor can pass.

We can make comparisons all day, Drummond's advanced stats speak for themselves. He, as well as AD will be better than Okafor ever will be.

The game is changing. This isn't our father's NBA anymore. The game is all about elite wing play, being able to rebound and being able to defend both in the half court in the post and in transition. Oddly enough Okafor brings none of those three talents. How many teams lately have went to the Finals who ran their entire offense through a center?

Doc, is Okafor going to be a center piece to our championship team? Doubt it in today's NBA.

you don't know how Okafor will turn out, the Drummond to Howard comparison is fair as we've seen what they can do in the league. Okafor could turn out to be a bust and a terrible player you seem to suggest but he could prove others wrong on his D and for all the crap Lopez gets for his D he is actually is solid rim protecting big just not mobile enough to defend the PnR. For all of Drummond advance stats, he too is not a good PnR defender just like Jordan. Drummond will never be a big impact type player offensively, have you seen him trying to post up? Its not as ugly as Howards but the finish are rather dam ugly with his swing hook shots that miss by a mile at times being defended by much smaller players.

Drummond not a good pick and roll defender? You are very mistaken. I will leave this here:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVDtx1NtwvY[/youtube]

[EArl]

Thought this was a good story, focusing on Okafor

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2490 ... rt-bot-203

Good read.

[EArl]

Okafor is Brook Lopez, only Okafor can pass.

We can make comparisons all day, Drummond's advanced stats speak for themselves. He, as well as AD will be better than Okafor ever will be.

The game is changing. This isn't our father's NBA anymore. The game is all about elite wing play, being able to rebound and being able to defend both in the half court in the post and in transition. Oddly enough Okafor brings none of those three talents. How many teams lately have went to the Finals who ran their entire offense through a center?

Doc, is Okafor going to be a center piece to our championship team? Doubt it in today's NBA.

you don't know how Okafor will turn out, the Drummond to Howard comparison is fair as we've seen what they can do in the league. Okafor could turn out to be a bust and a terrible player you seem to suggest but he could prove others wrong on his D and for all the crap Lopez gets for his D he is actually is solid rim protecting big just not mobile enough to defend the PnR. For all of Drummond advance stats, he too is not a good PnR defender just like Jordan. Drummond will never be a big impact type player offensively, have you seen him trying to post up? Its not as ugly as Howards but the finish are rather dam ugly with his swing hook shots that miss by a mile at times being defended by much smaller players.

Drummond not a good pick and roll defender? You are very mistaken. I will leave this here:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVDtx1NtwvY[/youtube]

One highlight of one game does not tell you that someone is a good pnr defender. Drummond had a pretty bad season last year.

[Slava]

Thought this was a good story, focusing on Okafor

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2490 ... rt-bot-203

I hate to take anything Kevin Ding says seriously, he eats Lakers and **** flowers.

[dockingsched]

Doc, is Okafor going to be a center piece to our championship team? Doubt it in today's NBA.

I think okafor, along with Russell and mudiay have just as good or better chance to become cornerstones as Drummond. Besides that though, they'll be so cheap for much loner that it affords the lakers more opportunities to build. Basically Drummond after his pay day next summer would have to be as good as whoever the lakers pick as well as a 12mil+ free agent

[LApwnd]

Drummond not a good pick and roll defender? You are very mistaken. I will leave this here:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVDtx1NtwvY[/youtube]

for all your Drummond praise, below is the fg% allowed with Drummond on and off the court...I'll let you guess which is which.


Effective FG% Allowed 50.4% 49.8% +0.6%

[ak7]

if you use the pick to trade for Drummond, you basically bank your entire future on him. With Drummond due for a huge deal next summer when the cap rises, the price isn't just the pick, you're also sacrificing a lot of cap room that could be used elsewhere. He'd need to be a championship cornerstone for that type of price, and if in the lakers I'm not willing to put all my eggs in the Drummond basket.

If you are the Lakers and you know you want a big with that draft pick, do you draft a big like Okafor who despite the "Hakeem-like" offensive game still slid while another big was picked in front of him (red flag), or do you trade that pick for a big like Drummond. Without pulling up the CBA FAQ, I'd assume the #2 pick is making 5-6 mill his initial season, so we are really not sacrificing an extra 8-10 mill a year on a franchise big like Drummond to be penny pinchers? I thought we are the Lakers?

[Gus McCrae]

I don't see how we could even consider trading the #2 for someone outside Durant/Westrbook/Lebron/AD/Curry which obviously won't happen. Even if someone like Drummond is better than Okafor the opportunity cost is a net loss. I would rather have: Okafor + 2 max FA's then Drummond + 1 max free agent. It baffles me that it could be considered a good idea by anyone to make a trade like this.

[john248]

14 and 8 type player meaning we have someone when shaq misses his fourth of all games every year and wouldn't overload Horry. It would have basically been giving us what Horace gave us for all those years instead of the Green, Horace, Samaki, Slava, etc experiment

Was there something better than a 3 peat that I'm missing? Because you're talking about overloading players and experimenting. You're talking as if Campbell was some missing link when the reality was a 3 peat occurred. WTF are you talking about.

So you're saying...it was "giving us what Horace gave us instead of the Horace experiment". LOLWUT???

We win 4 since that last year was all about guys being worn the hell out from Shaq healing on company time and us having no big better than Madsen. Horry was dead and fox feet gave out from playing some 4 that year to cover for Shaqs drama. The Kobe and Shaq team won 3 in a row but la management was lazy as **** at giving them talent. They lost so much depth year to year, just in 01 it was over looked because Kobe and fish became so much better, but by 02 they dragged threw the playoffs because all they had was 7 guys, and by 03 Kobe, Fish, Fox, Horry, and George all had been worn out. Phil's teams were never blessed with that kind of depth we gave to the likea of Del Harris

I hope you realize Campbell was 34 by 2003. Also you're arguments about depth have nothing to do with Campbell here since he wouldn't have made much of a difference against the Spurs anyways. It was Horry who missed that game winner in game 5. Campbell would been on the bench at that point. He also battled a knee injury that year and a back injury next. The Spurs were actually interested in Campbell earlier in the 03 season but lost interest given his poor play and that bad knee. Campbell was about done; the guy didn't even crack 40% FG. Rather comical that you think he'd push the Lakers to a title given what happened that season. So 4 titles? Please. Stop overrating guys like Campbell and what Rondo is now.

[ak7]

Drummond not a good pick and roll defender? You are very mistaken. I will leave this here:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVDtx1NtwvY[/youtube]

for all your Drummond praise, below is the fg% allowed with Drummond on and off the court...I'll let you guess which is which.


Effective FG% Allowed 50.4% 49.8% +0.6%

There is a reason why this stat isn't even considered when comparing team defenses. The amount of variables affecting this stat are literally in the thousands.