How is this LeBron James tackle not a foul?

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Was LeBron's Slide Tackle on Steph Curry a Foul?

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Re: How is this LeBron James tackle not a foul? 

Post#81 » by Hodges4Three » Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:37 am

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Bertrob wrote:definitely a foul. but if warriors fans think this officiating has been Cavs bias this series, they're crazy


Nothing this extreme though, this was literally a tackle.


The Iggy rake across the arms in game 2 was just as extreme (and yes, I know bron travelled but were talking about fouls not travels here). Both blatant fouls. Both missed at key moments. Just accept that the reffing is poor in both directions.


According to Cavs fans it's skewed in favor of GS, which I find to be hilarious. It's been equally horrid in both directions.

Mozgov taking 7 step layups, Lebron using his shoulder and forearms to push off on drives, the Iggy hack on Lebron, the Curry tackle, the **** calls are just endless and they go both ways.
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Re: How is this LeBron James tackle not a foul? 

Post#82 » by Hodges4Three » Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:39 am

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jcuuofd wrote:How about the refs start calling fouls for every moving screen set by the Cavs? Thompson and Mozgov would foul out in the first half of every game.

Bogut and Green aren't any better.


Cavs losing Thompson + Mozgov would be more catastrophic than GS losing Green + Bogut.
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Re: How is this LeBron James tackle not a foul? 

Post#83 » by Coxy » Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:54 am

Lol, crushed Curry's legs...........................NO FOUL!!
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Re: How is this LeBron James tackle not a foul? 

Post#84 » by TimRobbins » Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:57 am

Lebron knocked the ball loose before he hit Curry. These things are not called a foul in the NBA finals. Just a great hustle play.
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Re: How is this LeBron James tackle not a foul? 

Post#85 » by ckman » Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:01 am

there's people actually believe that's not a foul, lmao how biased can you be
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Re: How is this LeBron James tackle not a foul? 

Post#86 » by jbk1234 » Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:01 am

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r3demption wrote:Because the refs cheat Lebron ! They give the warriors everything and never give the cavs anything !

...which is why the cavs shot 40 free throws, compared to 25 for the warriors. Wake up. NEVER has a Lebron team not been favored by the officiating since he first stepped on an NBA floor. Its part of the agenda. Lebron himself in particular can commit murder on offense and not be called for it, but at times they let him get away with that kind of "defense" and praise how he covers everyone from 1 to 5 afterwards. Do you remember how he TRIED to give a foul vs. the Bulls (which was a mistake since they had none to give) and hacked D-Rose in front of the ref and still no call? Or the legendary no call when he hacked Paul George? There will be bad calls and statistically they will evenly distribute but when one guy gets away with it all the time (18 games without a single foul called on him?) its gettin a bit obvious.


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Re: How is this LeBron James tackle not a foul? 

Post#87 » by nikster » Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:10 am

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r3demption wrote:Because the refs cheat Lebron ! They give the warriors everything and never give the cavs anything !

...which is why the cavs shot 40 free throws, compared to 25 for the warriors. Wake up. NEVER has a Lebron team not been favored by the officiating since he first stepped on an NBA floor. Its part of the agenda. Lebron himself in particular can commit murder on offense and not be called for it, but at times they let him get away with that kind of "defense" and praise how he covers everyone from 1 to 5 afterwards. Do you remember how he TRIED to give a foul vs. the Bulls (which was a mistake since they had none to give) and hacked D-Rose in front of the ref and still no call? Or the legendary no call when he hacked Paul George? There will be bad calls and statistically they will evenly distribute but when one guy gets away with it all the time (18 games without a single foul called on him?) its gettin a bit obvious.

The cavs play physical offense through the post. their style of offense draws more free throws. Plus they have no one who can guard Lebron and are struggling to contain TT and Mozgov so they are fouling alot.
Also GSW is a jumpshooting team....how do you expect them to get to the free throw line when they jack up 34 threes.....
And the refs almost cost the cavs Game 2 with multiple calls in OT and end of regulation going against Lebron
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Re: How is this LeBron James tackle not a foul? 

Post#88 » by nikster » Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:10 am

TimRobbins wrote:Lebron knocked the ball loose before he hit Curry. These things are not called a foul in the NBA finals. Just a great hustle play.

please, it doesnt matter if you hit the ball first, you cant knock someone to the floor
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Post#89 » by TimRobbins » Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:11 am

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TimRobbins wrote:Lebron knocked the ball loose before he hit Curry. These things are not called a foul in the NBA finals. Just a great hustle play.

please, it doesnt matter if you hit the ball first, you cant knock someone to the floor


Of course it matters. That's why it wasn't called. Just like that when you fall on somebody while diving for a lose ball, it's not called. Anybody who says otherwise hasn't watched the NBA.
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Re: How is this LeBron James tackle not a foul? 

Post#90 » by nikster » Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:14 am

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TimRobbins wrote:Lebron knocked the ball loose before he hit Curry. These things are not called a foul in the NBA finals. Just a great hustle play.

please, it doesnt matter if you hit the ball first, you cant knock someone to the floor


Of course it matters. That's why it wasn't called. Just like that when you fall on somebody while diving for a lose ball, it's not called. Anybody who says otherwise hasn't watched the NBA.

it wasnt called because the refs messed up. Curry was in possesion of the ball and Lebron knocked him to the floor. Id like to see one example of an offensive player getting knocked to the floor with no foul call
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Post#91 » by TimRobbins » Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:16 am

nikster wrote:it wasnt called because the refs messed up. Curry was in possesion of the ball and Lebron knocked him to the floor. Id like to see one example of an offensive player getting knocked to the floor with no foul call


He was not in possession when he got knocked down.
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Post#92 » by thizznation » Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:16 am

If Ezeli made a play like that he would get thrown out of the game :lol:
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Post#93 » by andrewww » Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:22 am

LesGrossman wrote:
r3demption wrote:Because the refs cheat Lebron ! They give the warriors everything and never give the cavs anything !

...which is why the cavs shot 40 free throws, compared to 25 for the warriors. Wake up. NEVER has a Lebron team not been favored by the officiating since he first stepped on an NBA floor. Its part of the agenda. Lebron himself in particular can commit murder on offense and not be called for it, but at times they let him get away with that kind of "defense" and praise how he covers everyone from 1 to 5 afterwards. Do you remember how he TRIED to give a foul vs. the Bulls (which was a mistake since they had none to give) and hacked D-Rose in front of the ref and still no call? Or the legendary no call when he hacked Paul George? There will be bad calls and statistically they will evenly distribute but when one guy gets away with it all the time (18 games without a single foul called on him?) its gettin a bit obvious.


Cavs have played well defensively, but lets be honest Lebron gets away with murder on defense and offensive push offs all the time.

There was a stretch last yr where he went on some ridiculous streak with no fouls called on a physical defensive style of plag that Lebron employs. This is why Lawhi on defense > Lebron or Draymond as a side note.

Lebron has gotten away with legendary key no calls on blatant hacks (Durant got no call at end of game 2 of the finals, Pierce got a big no call with Brooklyn end of game 1 last yr, then theres the Paul George one too).

All critical calls. For those making excuses for the zebras, shouldnt human error be more random? Lol its beyond obvious. But Cavs have played well and have carried the run of play overall.
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Re: How is this LeBron James tackle not a foul? 

Post#94 » by nikster » Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:25 am

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nikster wrote:it wasnt called because the refs messed up. Curry was in possesion of the ball and Lebron knocked him to the floor. Id like to see one example of an offensive player getting knocked to the floor with no foul call


He was not in possession when he got knocked down.

He had the ball deflected but he was clearly about to get a handle on the ball before he was knocked down

even if you disagree with that, show me one example of a player diving and knocking down a stationary player by taking out his legs and not getting called
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Re: How is this LeBron James tackle not a foul? 

Post#95 » by Hodges4Three » Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:26 am

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TimRobbins wrote:Lebron knocked the ball loose before he hit Curry. These things are not called a foul in the NBA finals. Just a great hustle play.

please, it doesnt matter if you hit the ball first, you cant knock someone to the floor


Of course it matters. That's why it wasn't called. Just like that when you fall on somebody while diving for a lose ball, it's not called. Anybody who says otherwise hasn't watched the NBA.


You mean like when David Lee dove on Delly after the tackle going for the ball? Oh wait, a foul was called for that.
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Post#96 » by hayden » Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:29 am

here's a better angle and slow-mo: https://streamable.com/n6zq

a) Curry crosses Delly over and changes direction
b) Lebron, going 100 as he sees an exposed ball puts on the brakes, but ends up sliding and tripping
c) Lebron deflects the ball off Curry first... no team has possession at this point
d) Lebron's upper thigh makes contact with Curry around the knee area and brings both down

call could have gone either way... but seems like the refs saw it as incidental contact. it's not nearly as blatant as what some people are claiming.
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Post#97 » by TimRobbins » Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:29 am

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nikster wrote:please, it doesnt matter if you hit the ball first, you cant knock someone to the floor


Of course it matters. That's why it wasn't called. Just like that when you fall on somebody while diving for a lose ball, it's not called. Anybody who says otherwise hasn't watched the NBA.


You mean like when David Lee dove on Delly after the tackle going for the ball? Oh wait, a foul was called for that.


That was called because Delly had possession. Green dove at him before he had possession and it wasn't called.
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Post#98 » by J Shuttlesworth » Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:30 am

It's a foul. He did get his hand on the ball before the body contact, which generally makes the refs less likely to blow a whistle, but it's still a foul.

It's not like LeBron didn't get hacked a billion times this game though. I think the reffing this game was overall pretty good... at least compared to game 2 which was atrocious.
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Post#99 » by TimRobbins » Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:30 am

nikster wrote:He had the ball deflected but he was clearly about to get a handle on the ball before he was knocked down

even if you disagree with that, show me one example of a player diving and knocking down a stationary player by taking out his legs and not getting called


Curry didn't have possession and I don't have access to the NBA video library. It's just the way things are called.
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Post#100 » by hayden » Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:34 am

nikster wrote:
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nikster wrote:it wasnt called because the refs messed up. Curry was in possesion of the ball and Lebron knocked him to the floor. Id like to see one example of an offensive player getting knocked to the floor with no foul call


He was not in possession when he got knocked down.

He had the ball deflected but he was clearly about to get a handle on the ball before he was knocked down

even if you disagree with that, show me one example of a player diving and knocking down a stationary player by taking out his legs and not getting called


[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32MjBkENi3M[/youtube]

same type of contact... Williams maintains his balance however since it's Rondo and not a player like Lebron. makes Haier play of the day
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